Magnova oscilloscope

[Sorama]

For the record, the tabular (mis)alignment of decoded data is still not fixed.
I reported this the very first moment the scope was available.

Dear Sorama,

Could you please clarify what you mean by "tabular (mis)alignment of decoded data"? What doesn't align as expected? I’ve reviewed your posts in this thread but couldn’t find any details on this issue. If we’ve overlooked any of your feedback, I sincerely apologize!

Best regards,
Andre

Dear ,

Actually, it was a mail I've sent to Batronix Customer Service on 9/12/2024 around 8:50 am.
I had included screenshots and had feedback from Florian the same day:
"We will furthermore discuss your request regarding the way decoded values are displayed within the decode table."

I include a screenshot of the tabular data:
the results are not aligned/centered to the proper column, nor is the error column readable (too small).

BR

[king2]

BMO350 allows to save waveforms in CSV and BIN formats. How can I load them and view later (with scaling/measurement/cursors and so on)?
Maybe BMO can do this (how?) or some software exists for viewing such files?

[Martin72]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't know of a Scope model that can read and display these file formats again.

With the csv format, you will have to use Excel to do this, among other things.

[Martin72]

On another note, I received the BMO-CASE yesterday; it might be a tad more expensive (twice) than the bags I use for similar equipment from Siglent or GWInstek, but boy this case is indestructible.

At first, I was also “shocked” when I saw the price for the first time, but that quickly evaporated because my case, where the Magnova just fits in without accessories, already cost over €170.
The next largest in the series costs over €200 and doesn't even have the right inner material.
The case isn't cheap, but it's worth its price, let's put it that way.

[Andre77]

Actually, it was a mail I've sent to Batronix Customer Service on 9/12/2024 around 8:50 am.
I had included screenshots and had feedback from Florian the same day:
"We will furthermore discuss your request regarding the way decoded values are displayed within the decode table."
I include a screenshot of the tabular data:
the results are not aligned/centered to the proper column, nor is the error column readable (too small).

Now everything is clear, thank you very much. I apologize that this misalignment hasn’t been addressed yet and will ensure it is included in the upcoming update.

[Andre77]

After I took the scope home again, here are a few small update requests:
-A boot screen during startup
-A shutdown message when you turn off the scope.
-A (maybe selectable)restart after the firmware upgrade; currently the scope simply turns off and must be restarted accordingly.
-UART: Simultaneous decoding of RX and TX without sacrificing a second decoder channel.
-Selectable transparency level for the onscreen menus, which currently obscure the signals on the screen.

Thank you for sharing your update requests, Martin! We truly appreciate your feedback and your efforts to improve the user experience.

Your suggestions are very reasonable. We will prioritize them on the wishlist or add them if they are not already listed.

+1. For the shutdown: Maybe even a double click or a hold-2-seconds delay, but at least a message. As it is now when you press the power switch to shutdown the scope there are a couple of seconds where you are in limbo as to whether it understood the switch off.

Thank you, Woody!
Noted.

On another note, I received the BMO-CASE yesterday; ...
For me, I like sturdy stuff, so I am very happy!

An idea for V1.1: there is one tool that does not have a predetermined place (AFAICS): the hex key needed to tighten the stand. But I made it its own hole.

Thanks for the nice feedback!

We put the hex key under the probe packs, but an extra place for it is also a good idea.

[Sariel]

I am looking forward already for teh AWG hardware option.

I have an LNA circuit that I need to measure from 0.1Hz/1Hz up to 10MHz.
I measured it down to 10Hz with the SDS2000X Plus. But I want to measure it to lower frequencies.
So each day I check the Batronix website, to see when the AWG option will be available :-)

[Martin72]

Starting today (16^th January) pricing of Magnova oscilloscopes follows a new retail pricing scheme:

Bandwidth	Standard	Non-Commercial (NC)
100 MHz	2999 €	2599 €
200 MHz	3749 €	2999 €
350 MHz	4499 €	3749 €

(retail prices excl. VAT)

I was on the Batronix site earlier, they have apparently canceled the NC versions for 100 and 200Mhz again, and the 350Mhz NC version currently has a 20% discount.

Bandwidth	Standard	Non-Commercial (NC)
100 MHz	2999 €	--
200 MHz	3499 €	--
350 MHz	3999 €	3199 €

Apart from the somewhat confusing price jumps every few weeks, a private customer would currently be pretty stupid to buy anything smaller than the 350Mhz variant.

[Sorama]

Starting today (16^th January) pricing of Magnova oscilloscopes follows a new retail pricing scheme:

Bandwidth	Standard	Non-Commercial (NC)
100 MHz	2999 €	2599 €
200 MHz	3749 €	2999 €
350 MHz	4499 €	3749 €

(retail prices excl. VAT)

I was on the Batronix site earlier, they have apparently canceled the NC versions for 100 and 200Mhz again, and the 350Mhz NC version currently has a 20% discount.

Bandwidth	Standard	Non-Commercial (NC)
100 MHz	2999 €	--
200 MHz	3499 €	--
350 MHz	3999 €	3199 €

Apart from the somewhat confusing price jumps every few weeks, a private customer would currently be pretty stupid to buy anything smaller than the 350Mhz variant.

List price at the beginning was way higher.

[Martin72]

I thought so too, probably because of the constant price changes.
But the first mention here in the thread is not that much further away from that than it is now.

2999€, 3999€, 4999€ (100, 200, 350) in April 2024, months before release.

[KungFuJosh]

List price at the beginning was way higher.

How dare they attempt competitive pricing. 😉

[Sorama]

List price at the beginning was way higher.

How dare they attempt competitive pricing. 😉

In contrast to what you are implying, my post was just an observation, not a critique.

Like I mentioned before (you), Batronix will have to find the proper price point among competitors.
Anyway, coming from 3990 + vat and now 3499 is around 12% reduction. 

I do prefer the actual price setting WRT the N.C. version.
Best.

[jusaca]

While I do think that the Magnova seems pretty awesome and I would love to test it out, how many private individuals will buy a scope for the hobby that costs 3800€ (incl vat) 
For me that definitly is quite a bit above my tolerance, so I'm actually sad the smallest model vanished as NC version. But, to be honest, still not sure whether I would have invested the money for the small version, so whatever...

[KungFuJosh]

In contrast to what you are implying, my post was just an observation, not a critique.

I wasn't implying anything, just teasing you. Most stuff drops in price eventually, especially new products trying to be competitive if they want to survive. 😉

[TSOL]

While I do think that the Magnova seems pretty awesome and I would love to test it out, how many private individuals will buy a scope for the hobby that costs 3800€ (incl vat) 
For me that definitly is quite a bit above my tolerance, so I'm actually sad the smallest model vanished as NC version. But, to be honest, still not sure whether I would have invested the money for the small version, so whatever...

Well, if you don't live in the EU you may not have to pay VAT. I imported a Brymen BM869 from Welectron and never had to pay VAT, and I am in the USA. Shipping prices will definitely hurt, but should be quite a bit less than VAT.

VAT is currently 17%, so this takes the BMO350NC that I am looking at from 3199 to 3742.83. That is a $543.83 increase. (This is all Euros, so slightly higher in USD but not really a big deal)
Going on Batronix's website currently says that the cheapest shipping option to the USA is $120, which is actually quite good. I cannot actually buy the scope right now as it is pending product certification (would be awesome if it was already certified  ), but this is what it says. I don't remember having to pay American tax on my Brymen meter, but some items are tax exempt (all my orders from Madisound tend to be tax exempt) and my memory is bad, so let's say I DO have to pay tax on this scope. 7% sales tax makes it go up another $223.93.

So: buying in the EU, the price is 3742.83 Euros.
In the USA, the scope is (3199 + 113.59)*1.07 = 3544.47 Euros. If it is tax exempt, then it is $3312.59 Euros.

Anyways, yapping aside, I was genuinely thinking of dropping 3k on a 2000-3000 series Keysight (can't find the 3XXXT version of scopes for anywhere near that cheap unfortunately), so if Batronix can prove to me that their scope is much more worthwhile than a Siglent, I'd absolutely be willing to invest as a private entity.

Problem is that Siglent is one of the top brands for a reason.

Now to see if Andre can get it certified in the US before we get a tax on European goods like we have in Canada and China.

[Sorama]

In contrast to what you are implying, my post was just an observation, not a critique.

I wasn't implying anything, just teasing you. Most stuff drops in price eventually, especially new products trying to be competitive if they want to survive. 😉

It’s been a while that somebody was teasing me, so please, keep going 😜

[Andree Henkel]

But I also know that I've definitely seen quite some TME with a R&S label on it that was produced by a japanese company.

I've been with the company for > 16 years and I have never heard of us ever relabeling anything from a Japanese company.  Could you provide a product or company name?

Hy, may already been answered, but surely this current clamp + power supply we bought from R&S (and we are very satisfied using it, we wanted a solution not locked to one propriatary probe interface)
is a relabeld Hioki product. Which is absolutely fine with me.

R&S: Clamp and Power Supply:
https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/de/produkte/messtechnik/oszilloskop-tastkoepfe/current-probes-fuer-oszilloskope_63493-73797.html
the versions with no proprietary but just BNC interface to scope: RS RT-ZC10 and below

Hioki: Clamp and power Supply:
https://shop.hioki.eu/de/Entwicklung-Fertigung/Stromsensorik/Signalanalyse/

[Sorama]

But I also know that I've definitely seen quite some TME with a R&S label on it that was produced by a japanese company.

I've been with the company for > 16 years and I have never heard of us ever relabeling anything from a Japanese company.  Could you provide a product or company name?

Hy, may already been answered, but surely this current clamp + power supply we bought from R&S (and we are very satisfied using it, we wanted a solution not locked to one propriatary probe interface)
is a relabeld Hioki product. Which is absolutely fine with me.

R&S: Clamp and Power Supply:
https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/de/produkte/messtechnik/oszilloskop-tastkoepfe/current-probes-fuer-oszilloskope_63493-73797.html
the versions with no proprietary but just BNC interface to scope: RS RT-ZC10 and below

Hioki: Clamp and power Supply:
https://shop.hioki.eu/de/Entwicklung-Fertigung/Stromsensorik/Signalanalyse/

Ain't this the wrong topic?

[Martin72]

That was quick, another new firmware update:

Version 1.4.1 (10th April 2025)
New functionality:
• Added the option to subtract one FFT from another. This enables normalization of
frequency responses or removal of background (far-field) noise using a second channel.
• Added the indicator for the trigger time to the zoom view.
• Added a loading screen for the latter half of the boot process.
• Added a shutdown message and an option to require confirmation when using the power
button.
• Added the SYSTem:DATE/TIME/TZONe, SYSTem:ERRor and CURSor:[X/Y]:PDELta SCPI
commands.
Optimizations:
• SCPI queries for measurement results now return more digits. 
• Increased the update rate of the FFT under certain conditions.
• Implemented measures to prevent freezes when accessing non-reachable or invalid SMB
shares.
• Added Save/Load buttons to the measurement dialog.
• Added a button to delete all measurements for the selected channel.
• Improved the decode table layout.
Bugfixes:
• Fixed incorrect probe detection at device startup. 
• Fixed the SCPI *CLS command not performing a full clear.
• Fixed missing probe divider in area measurements.

I will try out the first of these (FFT) soon.
It's also nice to see that the boot screen and the shutdown message have already been incorporated.

I will try out the first of these (FFT) soon.
It's also nice to see that the boat image and the shutdown message have already been incorporated.
But there's one thing I don't understand:

• Added a loading screen for the latter half of the boot process.

Why so “late”?
I tried it, it really is like that.
In the first 20 seconds after turning it on, it's the same as before, you can't see anything, then the (pretty, by the way) boot image appears for about 10 seconds.
So the scope is almost ready to go before the screen appears – which is a bit pointless.
It would be better if the boot screen appeared as soon as possible after turning on the scope to signal a successful start, which has been missing so far.
As I said, I will try out the interesting thing about subtracting two FFT signals soon.

https://www.batronix.com/files/Batronix/Magnova/Changelog/Magnova-Changelog.pdf
https://www.batronix.com/magnova/dist/stable/latest.updt

[woody]

Ah, Martin, maybe we should not judge a scope by its boot screen 

But you have a point, by the time the (beautiful) boot screen appears the boot is almost done.

<unsupported rambling>
I haven't the faintest idea what runs this scope, but maybe its bios does not allow the insertion of a proprietary picture. I imagine that Batronix suppresses the kernel messages to not make us any wiser than we are, so they can only display a boot screen when the actual boot is done.
</unsupported rambling>

On the upside, the shutdown message has made this firmware. Very nice!

For now I am eagerly awaiting the hardware that will enable the 'Digital' button I keep seeing in the pictures on the Batronix site 

[nctnico]

Typically bootloaders have the ability to show a startup screen. But that needs support by a display driver and support for loading a picture. So it should be possible but IMHO time is better spend on adding even more features rather than having a startup screen. 

[Martin72]

Hi Woody,
I had also thought that they (batronix) had “moved” the start screen somewhere where it would be loaded.
We'll see, maybe they can move it a bit earlier.

For now I am eagerly awaiting the hardware that will enable the 'Digital' button I keep seeing in the pictures on the Batronix site 

I'm waiting for the AWG module, but only because I'm very excited about the Bode function.
At the moment, I am very interested in the 19” rack mount kit, which is already available.

https://www.batronix.com/versand/zubehoer/magnova-rack.html

[jusaca]

Will there only be a single channel AWG? Or are there any intensions to bring a dual channel AWG as well?

[Tomki]

Will there only be a single channel AWG? Or are there any intensions to bring a dual channel AWG as well?

The product specification speaks of one AWG with 90 MHz and 400 MSa/s. The module now shown on the Batronix homepage also only shows one connection.

[Martin72]

Hi,

• Improved the decode table layout.

What exactly has been changed there? I don't see any difference at first glance...

Link to the decoder pics 10/2024:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/magnova-oscilloscope/msg5688091/#msg5688091

EDIT:
Request:
It would be good if there were a blank line between the data packets in the table for clarity.
At the moment, there are only flowing numbers/words.