New 6 in 1 Scope From Tektronix

[jadew]

Only a 3.5 digit meter with 5 digits frequency measurements

[EEVblog]

The 1GHz is physically different to the 100-500MHz models.

[EEVblog]

The big marketing hype on the MDO4000 was that the analog/digital/RF acquisitions happen simultaneously, and how wonderful it is if you are making an RF modem [etc], blah blah blah...
So now, all of a sudden, that's not important anymore?  Uh huh...

Seems that way. I just don't get it.
It seems as though they are protecting their MDO4000 line's marketability at the higher end.
"Oh, you need to acquire both at once?, we have another model for that Sir..."
Either that, or they somehow found a way to cut manufacturing costs by having them separate, but I find that rather unlikely.

[mrflibble]

It seems as though they are protecting their MDO4000 line's marketability at the higher end.
"Oh, you need to acquire both at once?, we have another model for that Sir..."

Yeah, it's called the DS2702A+DSA815-TG. Captures in both time & frequency domain simultaneously AND has double the screen real estate as competing models.

[EEVblog]

Yeah, it's called the DS2702A+DSA815-TG. Captures in both time & frequency domain simultaneously AND has double the screen real estate as competing models.

The DSA815-TG goes to 1.5GHz AND has a tracking gen.
So the 100MHz DS2102A-S scope with 2 channel source is $1500 + another $1500 for the DSA815-TG, that's $3K total.
That doesn't even buy you the cheapest 100MHz model MDO3000 with 100MHz spec analyser. Want the 3GHz option with your 100MHz scope?, that's $6300 compared to $3K for the Rigol option.
Not even in the same ballpark.
Heck, even the Rigol 3GHz DSA1030 with DS2102-S is only $5500 total. Still almost 1K less than the Tek option.

[EEVblog]

It looks like only about 1/4 of the waveform acquisition rate of the Agilent/Keysight MXO series 'scopes.  That's only important if you are looking for rare glitches-- and that is not very often, but when you need this, you really need it.  So, I'm at a loss here.  I think I will stick with what I have...

250K wfm/s is no slouch though.
Once again with Tek, clearly the only reason you'd buy this is if you had fairly niche requirements. Otherwise better value is to be had with a separate spectrum analyser.

[taemun]

Interesting! I wonder how responsive the UI is. If I had to guess, I think it'll be cut-down MDO4000 hardware all around, so probably just as mediocre.

3.9pF passive probes seems a lot lower than Agilent's offering with the MSOX3000 series. The entire spec sheet reads like MSOX3000 +1 (over than the wfm/s).

They support software key bandwidth upgrades, but I'm not sure what to make of this:

Because instruments can be upgraded multiple times, it is important to note the
original model number that is being upgraded, determine the “from” and “to”
bandwidth levels and the product to order.

Are they actually saying that if I go from a 100MHz unit to 200MHz (MDO3BW1T24), then want to go to 500MHz, I need to buy the 100 -> 500 upgrade (MDO3BW1T54)? That seems insane.

As mentioned before, what's the point in having a Mixed Domain Oscilloscope, if you can't do both simultaneously!?

[hpux735]

Yeah, it's called the DS2702A+DSA815-TG. Captures in both time & frequency domain simultaneously AND has double the screen real estate as competing models.

The DSA815-TG goes to 1.5GHz AND has a tracking gen.
So the 100MHz DS2102A-S scope with 2 channel source is $1500 + another $1500 for the DSA815-TG, that's $3K total.
That doesn't even buy you the cheapest 100MHz model MDO3000 with 100MHz spec analyser. Want the 3GHz option with your 100MHz scope?, that's $6300 compared to $3K for the Rigol option.
Not even in the same ballpark.
Heck, even the Rigol 3GHz DSA1030 with DS2102-S is only $5500 total. Still almost 1K less than the Tek option.

To be fair to Tek, the simultaneous thing is more than just simultaneous measurements, it's simultaneous and correlated.  Here's a jaw-dropping (in my opinion) demonstration: 

Keep in mind that this guy is an applications engineer for Tek.

[EEVblog]

To be fair to Tek, the simultaneous thing is more than just simultaneous measurements, it's simultaneous and correlated.

For sure.
I've always said the MDO4000 is very impressive in this respect, the only thing on the market really.
But this doesn't look to be the same case for the MDO3000 series.

[GiskardReventlov]

Not to rain on anyone's parade but as far as N-in-1 devices go I've never liked them. But maybe it doesn't matter if one of the six doesn't work?? Or more importantly maybe it's just not a factor on these devices.  As for the technical side of this does it substantially simplify the workflow to have a multifunction device like this or is it part marketing and part "we do it because we can"?

[calexanian]

I think i am going to beat the Christmas rush and not really care for it now. Once again Tektronix puts all the effort into the bells and whistles nobody will use but managers like ticking off the boxes for and not just making the best scope they can with the longest life. Yeah, we still buy them, but we no longer get them optioned up. Heck, I am starting to like my cheap arse Siglent more and next time may see if one of their higher range models waves my flag.

[tszaboo]

Not to rain on anyone's parade but as far as N-in-1 devices go I've never liked them.

They are good, if the manufacturer adds some intelligence to it. Like if you already have a scope and a siggen in one package, let's make it do one button Bode plot. If you have a programmable DC power supply and a multimeter it has to do DC transfer characteristic. Usually theese require a computer and programming, if it has it built in, that is great.

[TerraHertz]

Just saw this thread, and while reading it was thinking Protocol Analyzer, TDR and optical fiber head.
But on reading that doc, it seems they are just talking about a plain serial protocol analyzer? Not TCP/IP, with an RJ45 port?
That's a pity

Ah well. It will be vastly out of my financial reach anyway.

[JoannaK]

This pricing is obviously for those 'purchase.budget' corporations, where a 'small' purchase (like <5000usd) can be made with minimal fuss, but the bigger ones are next to impossible to push trough corporation bureaucracy.

First 5k .. 4 channel 100Mhz scope.
+ 5K bandwidth upgrade (500Mhz?)
+ 5k Spectrum and logic -analyzers + ARB
+ 5K Some protocols (like RS232, Can, USB, I2C) ..
+ 5k Even more protocols + pass/fail test.

[robrenz]

If I win the giveaway I will keep it

[JoannaK]

If I win the giveaway I will keep it

+1

[Frost]

Here's a jaw-dropping (in my opinion) demonstration: 

Here is another great demonstration from Alan, whats possible
with the mixed domain function at the MDO4000 series.


That would be my use case, if i could afford this thing

[echen1024]

If I win the giveaway I will keep it

I entered as well. But hey, free Tektronix T-shirt!

[electronics man]

If I win the giveaway I will keep it

so will i

[robrenz]

If I win the giveaway I will keep it

If I do win this I am sure I will start receiving bomb threats after winning ( earning) the Keithley 2450

[EEVblog]

I'll be getting one of these before the release date 

[EEVblog]

Here is another great demonstration from Alan, whats possible
with the mixed domain function at the MDO4000 series.

My fear with the 3000 is that that can't do all the cool stuff the 4000 can.

[dr.diesel]

I'll be getting one of these before the release date 

Do I need to remind you of your motto?   

[Frost]

My fear with the 3000 is that that can't do all the cool stuff the 4000 can.

Without the MDO3SA option, for additional $2,690
(increases input range of spectrum analyzer to 9kHz - 3 GHz), that's for sure.
So maybe they only removed some of the high end functions.

The question is, are the two domains correlated and linked
together within the sample memory? If not, it's useless.

[EEVblog]

The question is, are the two domains correlated and linked
together within the sample memory? If not, it's useless.

See previous post, it appears that the 3000 differs in this respect, it seems both time and frequency domains can't be captured at the same time. Remains to be seen what the actual limitation is.