Siglent new X model Handheld Scopemeters

[tautech]

A refresh of the SHS models with more features.
100 and 200 MHz models.
Release date April 26 2022

SHS800X models


Scope, DMM and Recorder functions.
100 and 200 MHz 2ch models.
1 GSa/s 12 Mpts
100k Wfps
5.6” TFT-LCD Display
SPO capability
History and Sequence modes
2mV/div to 100V/div
IIC, SPI, UART, CAN, LIN decoding
1 Mpt FFT

Multimeter
True RMS
60mV-600V ranges
CATIII 300Vrms, CATII 600Vrms
6000 count
25 hours of sampling data with 4 sets recorded

6900mAh Li battery for 5.5 hrs runtime

SHS1000X isolated channel models.


Website links:
https://int.siglent.com/products/handheld_oscilloscopes/
https://siglentna.com/handheld-oscilloscopes/
https://www.siglenteu.com/handheld-oscilloscopes/

Datasheet
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SHS800X_SHS1000X_DataSheet_EN01C.pdf

Pricing
SHS800X models $ 979 - $ 1,279
SHS1000X models $ 1,899 - $ 2,399



Siglent Video

[TrendX]

There is a chinese product video here:

https://www.bilibili.com/s/video/BV1P44y187pK

I just recently exchanged my modded SHS810 for a DS1054Z because I needed decoding and triggering on data. Got an Owon HDS for field work but It's just not the same, so I have high hopes for the new 800X!

[blurpy]

Looks like nice improvements over the old ones!
But do they have dark mode? Not a fan of the white background.

[implor]

No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.

[tautech]

No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.

We were told March release but it is now April. 
I'll go sniffing.....

[implor]

No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.

We were told March release but it is now April. 
I'll go sniffing.....

Great!

I also ask my local distributor here in Sweden if they got info. The old model is set as discontinued on Siglent EU website and almost almost all models are sold out here.

[tautech]

No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.

We were told March release but it is now April. 
I'll go sniffing.....

Great!

I also ask my local distributor here in Sweden if they got info. The old model is set as discontinued on Siglent EU website and almost almost all models are sold out here.

Late April I am now told.....but as yet no official release date or pricing. 

[implor]

No new info?

I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.

We were told March release but it is now April. 
I'll go sniffing.....

Great!

I also ask my local distributor here in Sweden if they got info. The old model is set as discontinued on Siglent EU website and almost almost all models are sold out here.

Late April I am now told.....but as yet no official release date or pricing. 

Guessing the Shutdown-start-shutdown-start due to covid in china is not helping them.

[tautech]

Guessing the Shutdown-start-shutdown-start due to covid in china is not helping them.

AFAIK Shenzhen is all up and running again after a 1 week lockdown but parts supply is an ongoing problem for everyone. Nearly every stock order we place has production lead times these days. 

[implor]

Guessing the Shutdown-start-shutdown-start due to covid in china is not helping them.

AFAIK Shenzhen is all up and running again after a 1 week lockdown but parts supply is an ongoing problem for everyone. Nearly every stock order we place has production lead times these days. 

yah it's horrible. We had a finished product, EMC tested and everything but then we could not get a DC-DC converter. Redesign of PCB with new DC-DC and full suit of EMC test again. Not a happy camper....

[rvalente]

They really should throw more rotary encoders, I believe every person who has used portable scopes knows how confusing is to use rubber buttons for time and scale, its terrible.

That's why Micsig got it right KNOBS MATTER!. It they got a rugged version out would kill all other players

[implor]

They really should throw more rotary encoders, I believe every person who has used portable scopes knows how confusing is to use rubber buttons for time and scale, its terrible.

That's why Micsig got it right KNOBS MATTER!. It they got a rugged version out would kill all other players

I totally agree but I understand you have a limited space and it’s a requirement is that shs800x needs to be fully usable with gloves on. That limit how small knobs you can have.

[implor]

Btw is that a cover over the DMM ports?

[Martin72]

That's why Micsig got it right KNOBS MATTER!. It they got a rugged version out would kill all other players

The killer feature would be isolated inputs, in my opinion.
Handheld scopes are making a huge "jump" in the price, when they came with isolated inputs.
Relatively cheap and with isolated inputs, that would be a big advantage against other brands.

[implor]

Got a reply from my local distributor and he said "Soon". Also asked Siglenteu but they got no solid info but guess 1-2 months (they have nothing to do with Siglent, just a distributor).

[implor]

I did some google kung-fu and found a lot of info but sadly most is in CN (but still interesting).


SHS800X quick start guide in CN.
http://www.siglent.com.cn/upload_file/document/SHS800X&1000X_QuickStart_CN01A.pdf

Combine SHS800X and SHS1000X quick start guide in CN:
http://www.siglent.com/upload_file/document/SHS800X&1000X_QuickStart_CN02B.pdf

Also programming guide in English.
http://www.siglent.com.cn/upload_file/document/SHS800X_SHS1000X_ProgrammingGuide_EN11A.pdf

Product sheets with all new 2022 products (including SHS800X and SHS1000X comparison tables)
https://www.siglent.com/upload_file/document/Siglent%20Products%20Catalog_CN.pdf

Big take is 200Mhz on SHS1000X. Old model i max 100Mhz.

Edit:
Base price is 4000  RMB so around 600 euro for lowest model.

[implor]

Up on taobao now. SHS1102X has 10680rmb so 1550 euro.

Guessing it Will start popping up in the west soon.

[tautech]

Up on taobao now. SHS1102X has 10680rmb so 1550 euro.

Guessing it Will start popping up in the west soon.

Official release is today, OP updated with English datasheet and links to western websites.

[rf-loop]

Up on taobao now. SHS1102X has 10680rmb so 1550 euro.

Guessing it Will start popping up in the west soon.

Are you sure you have looked right price in Taobao. It looks more like SHS1072X price. In Europe, models are SHS1102X and SHS1202X only.

It looks more like Taobao price for SHS1102X is 14980 RMB (including taxes inside China).  With official BOC account buying rate 1EUR = 6.9869 RMB (just now) this is 2144 euro.   (14980 RMB is also Siglent China official domestic price).
I found 4 Taobao seller when I just search SHS1102X in Tao, and if I am buyer all these looks more like "stay away" least until mopre deep look. (mostly these kind of things can buy from manufacturer official store and get far better customer protection (inside China).

In Siglent own official flagship store in Tmall there is is only SHS807X and SHS810X models available, not at all SHS1000X models at this time. 
Also Siglent official store in Jingdong have only SHS800X models, model group SHS1000X is listed but it include 0.
So, I do not even believe these Taobao sellers really have SHS1000X models in they own stock ready for immediate shipping/delivery (as they claim).


Official SHS1102X price in Europe  1399 euro and SHS1202X  1699 eur (prices VAT 0 !)

[bdunham7]

Official release is today, OP updated with English datasheet and links to western websites.

It looks very good!  I wish the pricing was a bit more aggressive, but if they perform as advertised they have nothing to apologize for at $1899 for the SHS1102X.

A couple of questions:

They list the logging as 'sample logging'.  I presume that this means that you can only log measurements (like RMS voltage) from the DMM function?  Or can you log calculated measurements from the scope like you can with the SDS1x04X-E?

Are the external current shunts included?

The SHS800X models are listed as having an "isolated chassis" as opposed to the "isolated channels" of the SHS1000X.  Does this mean it is designed to be safely used for measurements where the ground lead would be floating and the only limitation is that the two channels can't be floating independently?  Like an old 90-series ScopeMeter?

[rf-loop]

Official release is today, OP updated with English datasheet and links to western websites.

It looks very good!  I wish the pricing was a bit more aggressive, but if they perform as advertised they have nothing to apologize for at $1899 for the SHS1102X.

A couple of questions:

They list the logging as 'sample logging'.  I presume that this means that you can only log measurements (like RMS voltage) from the DMM function?  Or can you log calculated measurements from the scope like you can with the SDS1x04X-E?

Are the external current shunts included?

The SHS800X models are listed as having an "isolated chassis" as opposed to the "isolated channels" of the SHS1000X.  Does this mean it is designed to be safely used for measurements where the ground lead would be floating and the only limitation is that the two channels can't be floating independently?  Like an old 90-series ScopeMeter?

SHS1000X have full isolation between two oscilloscope channels and multimeter channel power adapter and USB host/device ports.
Each channel on SHS1000X is isolated from from chassisground and from each others.  Just this make SHS1000X very different compared to SHS800X. It can see also in price 689 euro vs 1399 euro. All other features same except isolation (also 1000X have most sensitive range 5mV/div when 800X have 2mV/div. )

And as can easy read from Siglent web side standard accessories include SCD600MA 600mA current measurement adapter and SCD10A, 10A adapter.
SHS1000X models include also PB925 250 MHz 10X passive probes (Safe voltage levels: CAT II 1000 V, CAT III 600 V).

From User Manual can read more: https://www.siglenteu.com/download/12433/

Sample logger and Measure logger starting from page 194.


Isolation:  Very big difference between SHS800X and SHS1000X
Look carefully oscilloscope inputs!.  SHS1000X have isolation between channels including also channels GND's.
SHS800X  do not have isolation between cannels, they have same both same GND.

[bdunham7]

Each channel on SHS1000X is isolated from from chassisground and from each others.  Just this make SHS1000X very different compared to SHS800X. It can see also in price 689 euro vs 1399 euro. All other features same except isolation (also 1000X have most sensitive range 5mV/div when 800X have 2mV/div. )

And as can easy read from Siglent web side standard accessories include SCD600MA 600mA current measurement adapter and SCD10A, 10A adapter.

Sample logger and Measure logger starting from page 194.

Yes, I understood the isolation on the SH1000X.  Since you posted the manual, which I couldn't find at first, I see the the SH800X series is only nominally isolated and is only rated to allow the grounds to float (together) up to 30V.

The logging looks very good.  The only thing left to ask for is power analysis! 

[rf-loop]

Each channel on SHS1000X is isolated from from chassisground and from each others.  Just this make SHS1000X very different compared to SHS800X. It can see also in price 689 euro vs 1399 euro. All other features same except isolation (also 1000X have most sensitive range 5mV/div when 800X have 2mV/div. )

And as can easy read from Siglent web side standard accessories include SCD600MA 600mA current measurement adapter and SCD10A, 10A adapter.

Sample logger and Measure logger starting from page 194.

Yes, I understood the isolation on the SH1000X.  Since you posted the manual, which I couldn't find at first, I see the the SH800X series is only nominally isolated and is only rated to allow the grounds to float (together) up to 30V.

The logging looks very good. 

The only thing left to ask for is power analysis!

It doesn't exist ... or at least it do not exist over of my detection threshold - laughter.

[implor]

I ordered a SHS810X today. Delivery May 20 if all goes well. Hopefully it can be hacked to 200mhz in the future.

Would have been really nice with a 4,5 DMM but in reality the 6000 count meter meets all my requirements. Hopefully it’s pretty fast and responsive.

[implor]

Got my unit today and will be returned. All double buttons don’t trigger when pushed in and you feel they are in the bottom. When at the bottom you need to press even harder to register the press.

 Wheel is very vague and middle button is very easy to press with no click to indicate you pressed something.

[slugrustle]

Has anyone else given an SHS800X or SHS1000X a try?

[j_omega]

I would also be interested in hearing about anyone's experience with the SHS X series.

[symphonystars]

Got last month the SHS1202X(was aiming to the 1102X but was out of stock and no eta for restock) to replace my old fluke 105B and so far seems to work quite well.However things i dont really like:

-doesn't save your settings(channels scale,timebase,etc) when you turn it off  but always loads a default config(can be modified) when powered on

-tried to save a csv log into the internal memory but didn't go past "saving 0%" and made the scope completely unresponsive (the clock on the UI didn't freeze tho).I think it tries to warn you about something when you press "save" the first time but only displays an empty dialogue box and if you press "save" again it completely locks up requiring a forced shutdown.

-the continuity function in meter mode is very slow and require about half a second to start beeping after you short the probes

-when you move the trace with the position buttons it goes from small steps to big steps almost instantaneously

[tautech]

Got last month the SHS1202X(was aiming to the 1102X but was out of stock and no eta for restock) to replace my old fluke 105B and so far seems to work quite well.However things i dont really like:

-doesn't save your settings(channels scale,timebase,etc) when you turn it off  but always loads a default config(can be modified) when powered on

-tried to save a csv log into the internal memory but didn't go past "saving 0%" and made the scope completely unresponsive (the clock on the UI didn't freeze tho).I think it tries to warn you about something when you press "save" the first time but only displays an empty dialogue box and if you press "save" again it completely locks up requiring a forced shutdown.

-the continuity function in meter mode is very slow and require about half a second to start beeping after you short the probes

-when you move the trace with the position buttons it goes from small steps to big steps almost instantaneously

Welcome to the forum and thanks for your feedback.

We'll have a SHS820X in a few weeks to check these things out also however this is a brand new product and as yet zero firmware updates are available for it.

-doesn't save your settings(channels scale,timebase,etc) when you turn it off  but always loads a default config(can be modified) when powered on

Many Siglent products have a Power ON = Last setting....is this not working as expected ?

[symphonystars]

Hi tautech,

Many Siglent products have a Power ON = Last setting....is this not working as expected ?

i was expecting a behavior like the 2104x-plus but in this case is always Power ON = Default setting 

For explample right now my default settings for channel 1 are 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10. If i change them to let's say 500mV/div-AC coupling-BW limit off -Probe x1 and power it off then on the next power on they will go back to 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10.

[j_omega]

-tried to save a csv log into the internal memory but didn't go past "saving 0%" and made the scope completely unresponsive (the clock on the UI didn't freeze tho).I think it tries to warn you about something when you press "save" the first time but only displays an empty dialogue box and if you press "save" again it completely locks up requiring a forced shutdown.

This may be a deal breaker for me. I specifically need that functionality

-the continuity function in meter mode is very slow and require about half a second to start beeping after you short the probes

I believe the older models had this same problem.


One of the previous posts had mentioned problems with the buttons requiring a lot of force. Any thoughts on that matter?

[j_omega]

-tried to save a csv log into the internal memory but didn't go past "saving 0%" and made the scope completely unresponsive (the clock on the UI didn't freeze tho).I think it tries to warn you about something when you press "save" the first time but only displays an empty dialogue box and if you press "save" again it completely locks up requiring a forced shutdown.

The user manual mentions that saving a CSV file can take a long time. I wonder if the apparent lockup is just the UI freezing while the file is being written. See the attached image. I know that my Rigol scope can take several minutes to save a CSV file.

[tautech]

Hi tautech,

Many Siglent products have a Power ON = Last setting....is this not working as expected ?

i was expecting a behavior like the 2104x-plus but in this case is always Power ON = Default setting 

For explample right now my default settings for channel 1 are 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10. If i change them to let's say 500mV/div-AC coupling-BW limit off -Probe x1 and power it off then on the next power on they will go back to 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10.

That is certainly a bug !

I'll talk to some ppl. 

For now you should be able to work around it by using a User Default setting however it won't return last used settings but it should at very least return some settings that are close to how you would normally use the thing.

All recent Siglent scopes have a User Default which you can find in the Save/Recall menu.
I'd advise to use Factory Default first then make the settings you wish after boot and then save as a User default.
Then, after boot hit Default and those settings should be returned.

Report how that works for you.   

[symphonystars]

The user manual mentions that saving a CSV file can take a long time. I wonder if the apparent lockup is just the UI freezing while the file is being written. See the attached image. I know that my Rigol scope can take several minutes to save a CSV file.

No i'm quite sure the lockup was not apparent since nothing changed even after 20-30 min.Also i didn't have any problem saving a 1.2Mpts CSV when a usb pendrive was plugged.

One of the previous posts had mentioned problems with the buttons requiring a lot of force. Any thoughts on that matter?

At least on mine they require a normal amount of force(maybe just a bit more on the double buttons) 

That is certainly a bug !

I'll talk to some ppl. 

For now you should be able to work around it by using a User Default setting however it won't return last used settings but it should at very least return some settings that are close to how you would normally use the thing.

All recent Siglent scopes have a User Default which you can find in the Save/Recall menu.
I'd advise to use Factory Default first then make the settings you wish after boot and then save as a User default.
Then, after boot hit Default and those settings should be returned.

Report how that works for you.   

thanks,

i can confirm with that now it boots with the settings i saved as default 

for now i can live with this bug but i'll be happy if a future firmware will fix it among other fixes/improvements 

[tautech]

From tautech

That is certainly a bug !

I'll talk to some ppl. 

For now you should be able to work around it by using a User Default setting however it won't return last used settings but it should at very least return some settings that are close to how you would normally use the thing.

All recent Siglent scopes have a User Default which you can find in the Save/Recall menu.
I'd advise to use Factory Default first then make the settings you wish after boot and then save as a User default.
Then, after boot hit Default and those settings should be returned.

Report how that works for you.   

thanks,

i can confirm with that now it boots with the settings i saved as default 

for now i can live with this bug but i'll be happy if a future firmware will fix it among other fixes/improvements 

Further, you can save a Setup to be recalled at anytime.
See P160
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/22_05_17/SHS800X&SHS1000X_UserManual_EN01B.pdf

[tautech]

SHS820X arrived today and just in time to be demo'ed to a customer that has need for a portable device. 

Only had a few minutes to play with it thus far and already see some issues that need taking up with the SHS product manager that we're very lucky to be given direct access to.
Those issues....nothing that some FW crafting can't solve and also have a small list of feature requests.

The list so far from previous posts: (thanks folks, keep them coming)
Last settings not returned at boot < this is a serious bug IMO.
Better/faster continuity tester
CSV save problems/bug
Encoder algorithm improvements needed < saw this first hand today also.

A new FW version is apparently in the build and we've asked for a beta to check advances and maybe offer feature requests.

[j_omega]

Mine should be here at the end of August. I already have a bunch of field work queued up for when it arrives.

[tautech]

Playing with some as yet undocumented stuff......ie, not in the manuals yet !

These handhelds have 2 USB connections under a side cover, one USB-A for memory sticks for screenshots and logging and the other a Micro USB I think for connection to a PC and the unit is supplied with this ~1m long cable.

New SHS X models connect just fine with EasyScopeX for the various features it offers however some functionality used with the EasyScopeX Virtual panel is not yet working as it should and some of the programming is badly busted ! 
I do like how the virtual encoders can be adjusted with a mouse scroll wheel however I didn't say they worked correctly. 
Anyways, a snap of the Virtual panel overlaid on the EasyScopeX window from where you launch it....but now very different after the new EasyScopeX version with full SHS X model support.

[tautech]

Beta FW and a new version of EasyScopeX has arrived to assess.
FW installed and reboot status checked.....last used settings are now returned at boot ! 

Several checks to do and a report to file of findings and possible feature requests.
Too late to do more today but it already looks promising. 

[j_omega]

My SHS1000X arrived today. Its going to see some immediate use in the lab and field. I will report back soon.

[j_omega]

Noticed the first strange behavior tonight while doing some signal integrity analysis. When looking at an underdamped logic edge, I noticed erroneous negative spikes at certain vertical offset levels.

[tautech]

Noticed the first strange behavior tonight while doing some signal integrity analysis. When looking at an underdamped logic edge, I noticed erroneous negative spikes at certain vertical offset levels.

You may be overdriving the ADC by exceeding the offset limits, check the datasheet.
To avoid being trapped by this again keep the waveform amplitude on the display confines OR use the Vertical Reference setting in the Utility menu.

Found a bug in mine today, now reported to the PM.
User error. 

[j_omega]

Noticed the first strange behavior tonight while doing some signal integrity analysis. When looking at an underdamped logic edge, I noticed erroneous negative spikes at certain vertical offset levels.

You may be overdriving the ADC by exceeding the offset limits, check the datasheet.
To avoid being trapped by this again keep the waveform amplitude on the display confines OR use the Vertical Reference setting in the Utility menu.

Found a bug in mine today, now reported to the PM.
User error. 

I would not consider this normal behavior by any means. I have used a wide variety of Agilent and Tektronix scopes at work. A input larger than the window range should never result in an erroneous value, even if it is outside of the ADC range.

[j_omega]

I should clarify, the erroneous value is this large negative spike

[tv84]

Looks like an integer overflow...

[j_omega]

Looks like an integer overflow...

I was thinking the same...

[tautech]

Some simple Decode tests with the beta firmware and STB-3.
Trigger settings only using a timeout to prevent retriggering within a packet.
UART and LIN as attached.

More later.

Looks like an integer overflow...

I was thinking the same...

I'll try to replicate your findings with the beta FW.

[tautech]

Further investigation/learning of the SHS X
FFT Max Hold
10 KHz 200mV sinewave ex SDG6202X.

[tautech]

More SHS X series investigations.
Simple I2C decode.

[oewean]

New firmware for SHS800X and SHS1000X series released today: 1.1.20
https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/handheld-oscilloscopes/

Release notes:
1. Optimize power consummation while enable the DMM
2. Optimize save/recall user’s interface’
3. Optimize ADC interleave noise on SHS1000X models
4. Optimize response of the horizontal and vertical position button
5. Support remote control by using EasyscopeX version P22
6. Fixed several bugs
a) User’s configuration not saved after power cycle’
b) Some display and control bugs under DMM
c) Device frozen while saving large CSV files to local memory
d) Some bugs in roll mode

[tv84]

New firmware for SHS800X and SHS1000X series released today: 1.1.20

Product_ID = 17501

It seems they use the public keygen and the same SCPI commands to process the licensing stuff.

As such, a volunteer can try upgrade from 100 to 200 Mhz.

Telnet should also be possible.

[j_omega]

New firmware for SHS800X and SHS1000X series released today: 1.1.20

Product_ID = 17501

It seems they use the public keygen and the same SCPI commands to process the licensing stuff.

As such, a volunteer can try upgrade from 100 to 200 Mhz.

Telnet should also be possible.

I have the 100 MHz model. I may try that. Are there instructions posted somewhere?

[tautech]

Reduced price promotion for the rest of 2022:
SHS810X   Save $150
SHS820X   Save $100

https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-64.html

[symphonystars]

As such, a volunteer can try upgrade from 100 to 200 Mhz.

Tried this afternoon on a SHS810X and sure enough they can be "enhanced" 

[tautech]

Defpom has a look at our SHS820X demo unit:

[2N3055]

Defpom has a look at our SHS820X demo unit:

Took a quick look.
He got a bit confused with logging of DMM data and logging from scope measurements.. It is complicated though, many options there..

One thing to note is Alternate composite trigger on these scopes...

Display looks really nice..

[tautech]

Defpom has a look at our SHS820X demo unit:

Took a quick look.
He got a bit confused with logging of DMM data and logging from scope measurements.. It is complicated though, many options there..

One thing to note is Alternate composite trigger on these scopes...

Display looks really nice..

Scott had been ill not long before so his head was barely in the right place for new to him instrument reviews but he did a reasonable job and with the illness delay put pressure on him to get 4 instruments reviewed before he was to travel up these ways and get them back to us. The first he did was a SDS1052DL+ and he sounded quite crook, poor chap. That was posted on his channel a couple weeks back so darn easy to find. He reckons it whipped all the other cheap DSO's he gets sent for reviews. 

[2N3055]

Defpom has a look at our SHS820X demo unit:

Took a quick look.
He got a bit confused with logging of DMM data and logging from scope measurements.. It is complicated though, many options there..

One thing to note is Alternate composite trigger on these scopes...

Display looks really nice..

Scott had been ill not long before so his head was barely in the right place for new to him instrument reviews but he did a reasonable job and with the illness delay put pressure on him to get 4 instruments reviewed before he was to travel up these ways and get them back to us. The first he did was a SDS1052DL+ and he sounded quite crook, poor chap. That was posted on his channel a couple weeks back so darn easy to find. He reckons it whipped all the other cheap DSO's he gets sent for reviews.

Oh sorry to hear that, hope he gets better soon!
It wasn't a critique, more of a comment how sophisticated these instruments are getting...
Best,

[Martin72]

Today 2 new SHS1102X arrived.
Pics later.
In short, the improvements against the old version are significant.

[Martin72]

Pics old/new model...
It is almost no longer comparable, wish @siglent:
Pls make a 4-ch version (isolated)...

[tautech]

New firmware for SHS1000/800X models.

Version V1.1.21R3
11 MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SHS800X_SHS1000X_V1.1.21R3_EN.zip

Release notes
1. Optimize the response of the universal knob
2. Optimize the selection strategy of the universal knob in level adjustment and displacement adjustment
3. Optimize the beep response time of the DMM continuity test
4. Optimize the response strategy of the shift button in recorder mode
5. Fixed several bugs
  a) The horizontal and vertical displacement keys do not respond when they are short-pressed
  b) File manager is not updated in time after the U disk is unplugged
  c) Bugs under CAN decoding
  d) Some bugs under the Navigate function
  e) Offset adjusts the wrong channel bugs
  f) Multimeter cannot reading small capacitance in the 40nf range
  g) Wrong corner display after repeated version upgrades
  h) Cannot enter the Meter using the SCPI command
  i) Some help information description error

[maxmatteo]

any usage update? happy with the device?

can't find much new information about them. still insisting to buy the 800X.

is the screen changeable to a dark theme?

cheers max

[tautech]

any usage update? happy with the device?

can't find much new information about them. still insisting to buy the 800X.

is the screen changeable to a dark theme?

cheers max

Welcome to the forum.

Just got mine out and installed the latest FW that I should've done months ago. 
No dark theme as yet however I have requested it but don't know if it will ever be added. 

[maxmatteo]

thanks, finally made it here

man would love to have another darker theme... future will tell.

i have been looking around for days now,
finding a portable battery-powered non-touch(no micsig) scopemeter with proper specs and sophisticated serial decoding capabilities...

am i right the siglent shs-x series are the only ones? any alternatives?

long time ago there was the WENS-540 Debugmeter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzO1PsscjOI. but that is outdated

max

[Martin72]

"Alternative":
https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rohde-Schwarz-RTH1012.html
 

[tautech]

"Alternative":
https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rohde-Schwarz-RTH1012.html
 

Comparison would be SHS1102X but
€ 4,420 vs € 1,399
 

[Martin72]

Yepp, this is what I wanted to show..the siglent is unique in this priceclass.
We're very confident with the new version.
If they would be avaible with 4 isolated channels it would be superb 

[maxmatteo]

yeah just found the scope rider also,
damn with all rohde&schwarz options activated its probably even more than 4k

the siglent shs-x offers table view for decoded uart data.

Is that list easily and fast scrollable (without lag) or even searchable?
Or will it blow up, once you hit an RX pin of an embedded linux board which spits out lots of kernel boot messages:)


thanks max

[Martin72]

I can take my batronix demoboard to work and check the decoder behaviour.

or even searchable ?

The decoding features are rather sparse at Siglent, I can't imagine that it would be different in this case.
I'll find out soon, or you can take a look at the data sheets.

[tautech]

yeah just found the scope rider also,
damn with all encoding options activated its probably even more than 4k

Decode is std with SHS.

the siglent shs-x offers table view for decoded uart data.
Is that list easily and fast scrollable (without lag) or even searchable?

Screenshot with simple triggering used however with a Decode trigger you can set the bit to trigger on.
Scrolling is certainly possible as you can see in the screenshot only part way through the list.

[maxmatteo]

sure siglent decoder options are included. I meant the rohde&schwarz options

thanks for the screenshot, so you could easily scroll through hundreds of events using the jog-wheel ?

[Martin72]

Short clip:
SHS1000X decoding a spi signal from the batronix demoboard.

https://youtube.com/shorts/opUQEqmwSqA?feature=share

[maxmatteo]

Short clip:
SHS1000X decoding a spi signal from the batronix demoboard.

https://youtube.com/shorts/opUQEqmwSqA?feature=share

danke und gruß aus hamburg

[Martin72]

You´re welcome.
It remains to say that the video shows the model with the isolated channels.
This was important for us, because we have the scopes in outdoor use.
The normal version has all the same features, except for the isolated channels - and costs only half.
And is therefore a best buy tip.
However, one should not hide the fact that the operation is not necessarily intuitive.

[maxmatteo]

thanks again. i just ordered my device at batronix. there is simply no alternative in that price range. battery powered mso/multimeter with decoding

can’t wait to have it in my lab next week.

[Martin72]

Today I had tried the uart decoding, works without problems.
What is not so great, is the visibility especially that of the list.
In the screenshot it looks quite pale, in "real" is challenging to recognize something.
Here I would like to see a stronger contrast in one of the next firmware updates, for example in which the characters are displayed in black.
Ultimate would be of course the possibility to generally make the background screen switchable, from white to black.

[tautech]

Some settings are wrong Martin.....too many red X's in the decode lines. 

[Martin72]

That's right, now that you mention it....
But there is not much to adjust.
Assignment of the channels, the respective thresholds, baudrate, LSB/MSB, parity, stopbit.
For the demoboard signal it must be set as follows:
9600 baud, LSB first, 8 databits, 1 stopbit, no parity.
I am actually sure that I have set this on the scope, but I can check again on Monday.

[Martin72]

Checked it today, now everything is fine.
Additional checked the I2C decoding with no problems(so I´ve tested SPI, I2C, UART on the siglent).
The longer the timebase, the more lines you can scroll through, the more data will be saved (csv), @maxmatteo.
(changed the .csv to .txt, just rechange it)

[pezcat19]

Hi all,

I was lucky enough to pick up a SHS820X for a price I couldn't refuse. My use case is pretty basic, mostly just radio (RF) and modulation waveform analysis. I am pretty happy so far, it's a decent step up over my Hantek DSO2D15

The first thing I went looking for was the non-existent Dark mode. I really think this scope needs the option for the classic Black background, and Yellow/Green trace options. A lot of other Siglent equipment has this theme - my SDG1062X does. Hopefully Siglent will listen and give us a Dark mode in the near future. I emailed them to ask, but I have had no reply.
It can be very difficult to read some on-screen information as it is now (see the pics).

Other than this, it is working well for my fairly basic requirements. I actually find it nice to use as a benchtop unit, which I was not expecting from a portable scope.

Cheers,
Pez

[pezcat19]

Hi all,

FYI, I emailed Siglent and asked them about adding a "dark" display theme mode. They have said that it might be added to the next firmware release. (I don't know when this is due). It might also be in the form of a screen "Invert" mode. Either way, this would be be best thing they could do to improve this scope.

If you would like to see a dark mode, or screen invert mode, then it might be a good idea to email Siglent and add your 2c!

Attached is a screen capture that I inverted to see how this might look...

Cheers

[InvisibleMan]

I've been encountering a strange bug since I got the SHS810X whereby the History list acquisition time had no relation to the RTC. Here's an example screenshot taken a few seconds after the capture:

The problem was fixed after I set the timezone to New York and then back again to London. Now the acquisition time is correctly reported.

[InvisibleMan]

I see B&K Precision have now introduced their badged version of the 4 Siglent models:

https://www.bkprecision.com/products/oscilloscopes/2511B

They seem identical except for a light coloured front plate and all 4 models have a blue frame (so harder to see if you've picked up the version with non-isolated channels or not).

However, they seem to be pricing them much higher than the equivalent Siglent models for some reason.

[Martin72]

Hi...
We have used the measurement logger function and wanted to copy the previously created folder from internally to a USB stick - this does not work.
There are 3 files in this folder, ending with csv, mat and mlg.
The csv file is interesting for us, but we just can't get it copied.
Then my colleague thought OK, let's connect the scope to the PC and try to access the file.
But the scope is not even recognized as a usb device.
What else can we try?

[InvisibleMan]

Hi...
We have used the measurement logger function and wanted to copy the previously created folder from internally to a USB stick - this does not work.
There are 3 files in this folder, ending with csv, mat and mlg.
The csv file is interesting for us, but we just can't get it copied.
Then my colleague thought OK, let's connect the scope to the PC and try to access the file.
But the scope is not even recognized as a usb device.
What else can we try?

I've just tried it on my SHS810X and copying a folder works for me - and it copies the including files with it to the USB stick. You just need to navigate to the folder and then on page 2 is the 'copy' function (F1 key). Then navigate to the USB stick and select paste. I don't think the scope supports USB mass storage mode unfortunately although this would be welcome if it did.

I assume you are using the latest firmware version.

[Martin72]

Hi,

Yes, we also tried the "copy" button - Is there any confirmation message when you do this ?

[InvisibleMan]

Hi,

Yes, we also tried the "copy" button - Is there any confirmation message when you do this ?

No, neither for copy or paste. Obviously, if you had a successful 'copy' action, then you will see the folder appear in the directory when you 'paste'.

[Martin72]

OK, my colleague said that wouldn't work, I haven't tried it, I'll do it tomorrow.
Woe betide him if that's it...

[Martin72]

It's just like you said, I tried it out.
But I don't blame my colleagues, because it's just flying blind.
If my usb stick didn't have an indicator led, I wouldn't have known if anything had happened.
If you press "copy" there is no feedback, if you press "paste" there is no feedback (except that the LED in the stick flickers), there is no feedback if a file has already been copied in the sense of should it be overwritten....
Nothing, nothing at all.
This should definitely be changed, @siglent....

[Martin72]

A short video about it, you can see exactly that you can't see anything...
If this were my handheld scope for home use, I would hardly have a problem with it, but it is used at work or externally and if the guys then want to pull down data, it should be a bit more obvious, the colleague was a bit desperate on site, time is sometimes money.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qqzWWoQv-54

[tautech]

It's just like you said, I tried it out.
But I don't blame my colleagues, because it's just flying blind.
If my usb stick didn't have an indicator led, I wouldn't have known if anything had happened.
If you press "copy" there is no feedback, if you press "paste" there is no feedback (except that the LED in the stick flickers), there is no feedback if a file has already been copied in the sense of should it be overwritten....
Nothing, nothing at all.
This should definitely be changed, @siglent....

Out comes my SHS1202X .....

Saving display screenshots certainly provides feedback of where the PNG file gets saved to, Local or USB if fitted.
Copy/Paste to another folder or drive/location OTOH currently doesn't provide a OSD temporary message.
In the video you had another file highlighted whereas you only need highlight the drive or folder.

A worthy request, to inform the user when ANY file type is saved or transferred in the file system, local or external.
Thanks Martin. 

[Martin72]

In the video you had another file highlighted whereas you only need highlight the drive or folder.

I had placed the field somewhere, because when you switch from local to U-disk, the "field" is in the first position, on "Up" - if you leave it there, nothing is saved.
This is also not communicated.
But it's good to know that switching to U-disk is enough.

A worthy request

Yes, that would be a real improvement.