No, specification clearly tell that 1mV and 2mV/div are magnification from 4mV/div
Look specs note [2]
Don't swallow the continual BS Nico keeps splurting about mature products at release.
Don't buy anything from siglent if you are not sure you don't want to sell it on Ebay later...
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-they-filed-a-_wrongful-trademark-claim_/
The FFT function discards phase information. I am still looking or a modern DSO which supports this.
No peak-to-peak triggering.
No trigger after delayed sweep.
Supports windowed measurements.
No high resolution acquisition mode? Does that mean that again measurements are made on the display record?
1mV/div sure looks like x5 or x10 digital magnification but the specifications unambiguously say 1mV/div sensitivity.
Marketing materials advertise shortened overload recovery time but no specification is given. Cleverly, this is done as an image so a text search does not find it but it sure caught my eye.
I could see the interface lag when Dave was operating it. How slow does it need to be?
Don't swallow the continual BS Nico keeps splurting about mature products at release.
Instead, we should swallow the BS from a siglent salesman?
Don't buy anything from siglent if you are not sure you don't want to sell it on Ebay later...
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-they-filed-a-_wrongful-trademark-claim_/
Time is money as they say. If you're looking at this class of scope then you probably just want a known quantity. I really don't see a point in getting a Rigol with its spotty history. Some of the specs do look quite tempting I must admit, but that UI and all the bugs it entails is something you gotta live with. At the entry level you have no choice, but there is much better choice in this price bracket.
I personally wouldn't take a chance on Rigol if I had $3-4K+ to spend on a scope. That R&S RTM 3000 looks mighty fine however.
Time is money as they say. If you're looking at this class of scope then you probably just want a known quantity. I really don't see a point in getting a Rigol with its spotty history. Some of the specs do look quite tempting I must admit, but that UI and all the bugs it entails is something you gotta live with. At the entry level you have no choice, but there is much better choice in this price bracket.
I personally wouldn't take a chance on Rigol if I had $3-4K+ to spend on a scope. That R&S RTM 3000 looks mighty fine however.
I agree in principle. Problem is that unlocked 100MHz MSO version, R&S RTM 3000 MS is 10000€ with VAT(7500€ without VAT ). MSO7104 unlocked is 5700 € with VAT(4800€ without VAT).
The big question is: do you get the same in reality? If you only need 100MHz there are other options out there like the R&S RTB2000 or GW Instek MSO2000 series.
No peak-to-peak triggering.
Would you please explain what you mean. Auto trigger level in middle od P-P of signal? Or peak detection trigger? Both would nice.
QuoteNo trigger after delayed sweep.
I just use zoom and position.
QuoteSupports windowed measurements.
Couldn't find that in a manual. Do you mean gated, meaning you can select with cursors which portion of data to apply measurement to. It has that as far as I could see.
3. It is not low noise front end. It is in DSOX3000/4000 class though, but worse than R&S.. Or Lecroy WS3000 which is also 8 Bit.
4. No math on math. That's no good. For instance: apply filter, that pipe that to differentiation. Otherwise you just get too much noise. Especially when you don't have low noise input, and you didn't implement Hires. Fail.
5. Thinking about that, filters should be separate from math. I should be part of channel setup, together with normal hardware bandwith limiting.
I wonder what progress has been made by Dave on the teardown and review, anyone know?
I wonder what progress has been made by Dave on the teardown and review, anyone know?
Hopefully Dave will compare it with the equivalent Keysight scope because Rigol seems to only want to compare it with the Tek MDO3000. Seems a very one sided comparison.
cheers
A review remains unchanged for years on the Internet - even though the firmware has long since been updated several times. If there are major problems now, I think it's only fair if Dave informs Rigol and requests a feedback (or maybe he was promised a rush job of bug fixing of the firmware and he is waiting for this).
Yes 1 and 2 mV are digital zoom from 4mV. Datasheet. But, Keysight 3000/4000 does the same. R&S 2000/3000/4000 is much better for that than both.
There is an user who owns 7000 for several weeks and he has already found an issue
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-rigol-ds7000/msg1749839/#msg1749839A review remains unchanged for years on the Internet - even though the firmware has long since been updated several times. If there are major problems now, I think it's only fair if Dave informs Rigol and requests a feedback (or maybe he was promised a rush job of bug fixing of the firmware and he is waiting for this).I do not think so. An independent review shows the reality as-is at the time of the review. Otherwise you will wait forever.. (and the review is not independent anymore as it depends on the vendor's will)..
Well, we disagree here. In my opinion it is a sign of good journalism to give others the opportunity to express themselves on reproaches.
Well, we disagree here. In my opinion it is a sign of good journalism to give others the opportunity to express themselves on reproaches.Sure, after the independent review has been provided the vendor may express himself and clarify whether it is a bug or a feature and what he wants to do with it.
Mind the product has been thrown on the market already (2 months back afaik).
Nobody seeks an entertainment or bashing here - that is a nonsense, the people seriously look for an independent review.
A review remains unchanged for years on the Internet - even though the firmware has long since been updated several times. If there are major problems now, I think it's only fair if Dave informs Rigol and requests a feedback (or maybe he was promised a rush job of bug fixing of the firmware and he is waiting for this).
Anyway: I am sure, creating a large review with comparisons to other scopes will take days. If the video has 60 minutes, I am sure shooting and editing will take much much longer.
..High profile reviews like Dave does can determine buyers decisions for years to come, something Dave is more aware of in today's truly international marketplace.
..High profile reviews like Dave does can determine buyers decisions for years to come, something Dave is more aware of in today's truly international marketplace.Do you think a reviewer with "his hands tied together with such a tremendous responsibility" can provide a truly independent review??