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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2018, 07:30:58 am »
Rename / remove .zip from filename for the 2 last files(z01 and z02)
SDS2000x_1.2.2.2R10_300MHz.z01.zip  -> SDS2000x_1.2.2.2R10_300MHz.z01
SDS2000x_1.2.2.2R10_300MHz.z02.zip -> SDS2000x_1.2.2.2R10_300MHz.z02

BTW: As an distributor for Siglent I must warn about loss of warranty and the risk of destroying your scope....

« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 07:35:05 am by oewean »
Norwegian distributor of test and measurement equipment....
Adroit.no
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2018, 12:18:41 pm »
@oewean

the counterpart in "risk of destroying" is "quite a great chance to improve" the device.

But in general it's a good thing to know what someone is doing and not trust blind a
fw binary without having a) the knowledge or b) the feedback of a huge amount of
people which can canfirm that the modified firmware is working properly.

Just my opinion.

You know "no risk no fun as well as no sorrow"   

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2018, 06:44:32 pm »
patch worked without problems here
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2018, 08:05:34 pm »
Any hardware modification required on SDS2104 or SDS2204? or just flash the firmware?

Can i also ask if SDS2204 have much more benefit compared with SDS1204? (stock)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2018, 08:35:02 pm »
Can i also ask if SDS2204 have much more benefit compared with SDS1204? (stock)
Main feature differences....maybe some missed.

SDS2kX series vs SDS1004X-E series
5x total memory (140 vs 28)
2x sampling rate
50 ohm inputs
Probe sense
Inbuilt AWG
Trig IN/OUT rear BNC
8" display
Much better MSO HW
PAS

SDS1004X-E
More powerful processor
Free Decode
Small form factor
Fast FFT
Webserver and WiFi capable
Updated UI .......that could be added to SDS2kX if Siglent wants to.
500uV/div @ full BW (no auto 20 MHz filter)
Bode plot capable.....needs ext AWG or option module.

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2018, 08:57:25 pm »
SDS2kX series vs SDS1004X-E series
5x total memory (140 vs 28)
2x sampling rate
50 ohm inputs
Probe sense
Inbuilt AWG
Trig IN/OUT rear BNC
8" display
Much better MSO HW
PAS

SDS1004X-E
More powerful processor
Free Decode
Small form factor
Fast FFT
Webserver and WiFi capable
Updated UI .......that could be added to SDS2kX if Siglent wants to.
500uV/div @ full BW (no auto 20 MHz filter)
Bode plot capable.....needs ext AWG or option module.

Now i have mixed fellings  :-\
I was more inclined to SDS2kX, it have each chanel knobs instead have to switch and share same knob, larger, more memory, looks better and the other features that i like, but at 2x the cost of SDS1kX...
From other side the SDS1kX is cheaper, newer, faster-cpu? Decoder, better UI maybe and all that for half the price.
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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2018, 09:04:46 pm »
BTW: As an distributor for Siglent I must warn about loss of warranty and the risk of destroying your scope....

Of course, I respect and thank the warning. Although it was more appropriate when people went for the HW patch.

For my part, a stock FW reflash and the device regains warranty.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2018, 09:07:58 pm »
patch worked without problems here

Did you observe any improvement regarding your previous measurements (before FW patch)?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2018, 09:28:25 pm »
SDS2kX series vs SDS1004X-E series
5x total memory (140 vs 28)
2x sampling rate
50 ohm inputs
Probe sense
Inbuilt AWG
Trig IN/OUT rear BNC
8" display
Much better MSO HW
PAS

SDS1004X-E
More powerful processor
Free Decode
Small form factor
Fast FFT
Webserver and WiFi capable
Updated UI .......that could be added to SDS2kX if Siglent wants to.
500uV/div @ full BW (no auto 20 MHz filter)
Bode plot capable.....needs ext AWG or option module.

Now i have mixed fellings  :-\
I was more inclined to SDS2kX, it have each chanel knobs instead have to switch and share same knob, larger, more memory, looks better and the other features that i like, but at 2x the cost of SDS1kX...
From other side the SDS1kX is cheaper, newer, faster-cpu? Decoder, better UI maybe and all that for half the price.
I've had 2304 and later 2304X since 2013. I like X-E but for an everyday bench unit.......SDS2000X series.
It's not a cheap entry level DSO so priced accordingly.
Only the 300 MHz model comes with 300 MHz 10x only auto-sense probes and they are a very nice probe.....specify them if you buy a 2kX.
I know....the $, but the perfect scope has not been built yet.

The multiplexed channel controls are not something to be scared of and usage of them is adapted to quite quickly.
For the UI, the great advantage is the channel tab indication of input attenuation settings. Siglent need to add this to all their current DSO models with the modern V2 UI.
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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2018, 09:41:07 pm »
I've had 2304 and later 2304X since 2013. I like X-E but for an everyday bench unit.......SDS2000X series.

tautech,

If I understand it correctly, you still prefer the SDS X instead of a X-E, since you already owned it.

What is the thing that you most miss about the X-E in your day-to-day?

And what is the thing (that the X-E doesn't have) that you most use in your day-to-day?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2018, 10:09:57 pm »
I've had 2304 and later 2304X since 2013. I like X-E but for an everyday bench unit.......SDS2000X series.

tautech,

If I understand it correctly, you still prefer the SDS X instead of a X-E, since you already owned it.

What is the thing that you most miss about the X-E in your day-to-day?

And what is the thing (that the X-E doesn't have) that you most use in your day-to-day?
To be clear I own both 2kX and 1kX-E plus other demo models as well.

It matters to some if it is a everyday DSO or hobbyist usage. X-E is a very capable DSO, more so than most at this price point.
For me, Channel tab indication is great but my opinion needs to be balanced against probe auto sense of 2kX.
8" display, hell yeah ! More important as we age.
Multiplexed vs individual vertical controls....don't care so much now I'm used to 4ch X-E's even though I dreaded using them. They are not so bad, even for an old fella like me used to individual controls.
Otherwise the two UI's and usage is very very similar, one has features the other doesn't and vice versa.
The physical UI of 2kX is nicer and knobs not some smooth cheap plastic.

X-E do Bode plot but a simple one can be done with 2kX and inbuilt AWG but without phase info measurement.
Dave's Bode plot vid shows how.

If I had to make the choice, 2kX.............but I would be happy with either. What one can't do as well as the other, well I'm fortunate to have other equipment that can make up for that.
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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2018, 04:13:58 am »

Did you observe any improvement regarding your previous measurements (before FW patch)?


Hello,

no, it has not changed in terms of bandwidth, just the name.

Here a FFT plot from 0Mhz to 1Ghz, RF source sweep 100khz to 1Ghz, level -10dbm, Scope 50ohm Input channel 1, FFT 4096points + max. hold
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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2018, 11:04:06 am »
Attached is the latest FW version (SDS2000x_1.2.2.2R15) patched to fully behave as a 300 MHz scope (the official Siglent SDS2304X/SDS2302X).  It's a 1-byte patch.

The .ADS file is RARed+ZIPped in 3 parts. Place them in the same dir and double-extract.

People should previously do the HW hack.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #63 on: September 25, 2018, 11:04:42 am »
3rd an last part
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2018, 10:11:06 pm »
Thanks for all your hard work on this patch! I tried it on my SDS2204X scope, but after it installed I could not get any traces to display on the screen. All of the buttons worked, menus came up, it reported itself to be an SDS2304X, but alas, no traces. I reinstalled the original 1.2.2.2 firmware and it's back to being its old self. Any ideas?

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2018, 08:38:14 am »
Thanks for all your hard work on this patch! I tried it on my SDS2204X scope, but after it installed I could not get any traces to display on the screen. All of the buttons worked, menus came up, it reported itself to be an SDS2304X, but alas, no traces. I reinstalled the original 1.2.2.2 firmware and it's back to being its old self. Any ideas?

Regards,
Stan

Have you done the HW patch (caps removal)?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #66 on: October 10, 2018, 03:27:42 pm »
No, I haven’t removed the caps yet. I planned to do just that once I verified that the patch worked. Unfortunately, not only did the patch make all the channel traces disappear, it also did not enable the power analysis option (the only option on my scope that wasn’t already installed). So I will be waiting until I can figure out how to get the patch working to make the hardware modifications.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #67 on: October 10, 2018, 08:02:30 pm »
So I will be waiting until I can figure out how to get the patch working to make the hardware modifications.

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The patch worked perfectly!!

it reported itself to be an SDS2304X,

It's not supposed to activate any Options and it's not supposed to make the channel traces work at 300MHz with the caps on!

Did you even bother to read this?

People should previously do the HW hack.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2018, 01:47:32 am »
I had been reading several threads other than this one about enabling the SDS2000X power analysis option, and mistakenly attributed that feature to your patch. For that I apologize.

In any event, as I mentioned in my original comment, installing the patch made the scope unusable in that no traces were displayed. Fortunately, I was able to reinstall the original firmware and restore everything back to the way it was.

I understand that it is necessary to modify the hardware (caps) to get the full bandwidth, but is it also necessary to remove the caps just to get the traces to display? I wouldn't expect that to be the case.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2018, 10:41:21 am »
No, you don't need the SW patch for the SDS to work as a 300MHz unit.

You just need the HW patch.

What you saw is probably the result of applying the SW patch without the HW patch. No one had done that before.

So I think you could do the HW patch only, as several guys reported success. The SW patch is somewhat aesthetic.

Well, with your test, we confirm that it's not so  aesthetic as one might imagine.  So it was an involuntary step in the evolution path!
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2018, 01:30:39 am »
Okay, thanks for the clarification! Anyway, without doing any hardware mods my SDS2204X has a -3 dB bandwidth of about 320 MHz. Maybe I'll just leave well enough alone!

Regards,
Stan
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2018, 08:57:26 am »
@Stan,

have you measured your max-BW with 50 Ohm termination?

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2018, 10:34:24 pm »
Yes, the 320 MHz -3 dB bandwidth I measured was with a 50 ohm termination.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2019, 04:05:26 pm »
Hi,

I want to optain a memdump. Therefore I used EasyScopeX to send the SCPI command "SHELLCMD telnetd -l/bin/sh -p10101". But nothing happens. I try to use PuTTy to telnet into the SDS2104X but telnet doesn't work.

Do you have any suggestions how to do it? The scope has version 1.2.2.2 R15

Best regards
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Re: Siglent SDS1000(X) / SDS2000(X) or LeCroy WaveAce (Blackfin) hacks?
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2019, 04:38:13 pm »
SDS X is a Blackfin machine. No ARM and no linux OS.

No telnet is possible.
 


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