Siglent SDS7000A 3 and 4 GHz 12 bit DSO's

[hpw]

>> 10Mhz clock which is -123dbm @ 1Hz no distribution

Yes, I have also such Sine based 50E OXCO as 120dBc @ 1Hz. IMHO other short time metrics important.

May test all individual inputs, as all should show up equal behavior Jitter values & graphs.
My SDA6xxx do show any different Histograms

>> However the Siglent 7000's base line spec I don't know...

Yes, very very pure ... as nothing of the Jitter Kit

Hp

[Martin72]

the 7000 is due here in the UK before Christmas so I will be spending some time with one very soon.

Oh yes....

[Sighound36]

Hwp

The reference clock is a square wave form, rather than a sine wave. I performed some indepth jitter & eye analysis on the unit a while back see below.

Martin

If the 7000 performs as expected I shall be purchasing one, as one of the chaps that works with keeps 'borrowing' my Wavepro HD 

[pope]

May I ask why a scope would need a mic input and an audio output ?

[tautech]

May I ask why a scope would need a mic input and an audio output ?

Have you worked that out yet ?

This DSO is PC based and it is normal to have audio capabilities on a PC main board.

[pope]

May I ask why a scope would need a mic input and an audio output ?

Have you worked that out yet ?

This DSO is PC based and it is normal to have audio capabilities on a PC main board.

It is normal indeed. What I'm asking though is in which scenario an o'scope would need an audio I/O.

[Martin72]

You can't get a mainboard without these connectors.
They are simply there and are not used.

[Performa01]

It is normal indeed. What I'm asking though is in which scenario an o'scope would need an audio I/O.

There are applications imaginable.

A microphone could be used for audio notes accompanying screenshots for documentation purposes or even voice control for the instrument.

Headphones on the other hand can be used with each spectrum analyzer that has demodulation capabilities.

Maybe we'll see some of the above features in the future...

[hpw]

@Sighound36

Very good ... a starting point for compare 

>> The reference clock is a square wave form

Also 50E load enabled? And may tell what brand do you use?

Does SE-120 means WavePro HDO404 HD ??

>> SE-120 wavepro jitter kit

Do you get equal Histogram on each channels as Ch2, Ch3, Ch4 ??

>> SE-120 wavepro resjit histogram

May have to check its a part of the new SDA III or JitKit

As Teledyne JitterKit Paper, recommended to use 10 Wave Cycles ... and you use may 200 Cycles: Any reason for this?
 
Or do you have your own guidelines

Hp
 

[Sighound36]

Hp
Yes 50Ohm impedance which is really essential for square waveforms where as sinewave it's much, much less critical imho.

I used full SDA linq with the new 10.5 FW and it's very very close on all channels. The jitkit is just a basic look but an accurate one in fairness.

In the new year the jitkit will be superceded by Clock xpert which will separate certain aspects of the SDA which will concentrate more on higher spec pcie/usb4/6G/ high speed serial data formats.

This I suspect is aimed at the new Wavemaster HD

Clock expert will include indepth eye analysis full jitter suite plus a new phase noise section incorporated.

I also have a Holzworth phase noise analyser and a UXA 50Ghz unit with phase noise app. So I have that aspect of measurement covered I feel.  Although Aaronia have some interesting products in the offing as well next year.

The label SE-120 refers to the clock's model number

Lecroys whitepapers are guidelines and each user I feel will adapt the settings for their own applications.

Our UK Lecroy reps are always on the lookout for tips and tricks to improve measurement ways and to reduce all operator error and refining the processes. Its a two way street.

I find the eye view & dual spectrum analyser option used in conjuction with a couple of RP4060 rail probes to view the clocks supplies rf noise sitting on the rails. On top of that a RTA with near field probes looking at clock radiated rf and board layouts can tell you a great deal inho

[tautech]

FYI
Siglent offer a SDS7000A product release promotion of free option licenses until June 30 2024.
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-78.html
https://siglentna.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/
https://www.siglenteu.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/

Option                        Description
SDS7000A-FG   50 MHz built-in function generator
SDS7000A-16LA   MSO function (software), use with SPL2016 probe
SDS7000A-PA   Power Analysis: Power Quality, Current Harmonics, Inrush Current, Switching Loss, Slew Rate, Modulation, Output Ripple, Turn On/Off, Transient Response, PSRR, Efficiency
SDS7000A-I2S   I2S trigger & decode
SDS7000A-1553B   MIL-STD-1553B trigger & decode
SDS7000A-FlexRay   FlexRay trigger & decode
SDS7000A-CANFD   CAN FD trigger & decode
SDS7000A-SENT   SENT trigger & decode
SDS7000A-Manch   Manchester decode
SDS7000A-ARINC   ARINC429 trigger & decode (software)
SDS7000A-USB2   USB 2.0 decode (software)

[Martin72]

This promotion is only avaible in Asia, Africa and Latin Americas area

Possibly misinformation, because Batronix has had the bundle since the beginning:
https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Siglent-SDS7304A-H12.html

[tautech]

This promotion is only available in Asia, Africa and Latin Americas area

Possibly misinformation, ........

Yours. 
The promo is available in all regions.......yes I checked all 3 Siglent websites.
Additional links added above.

[Martin72]

When following your link, it is clear readable that is only for the mentioned regions.
They should correct this.

[EEVblog]

May I ask why a scope would need a mic input and an audio output ?

Have you worked that out yet ?
This DSO is PC based and it is normal to have audio capabilities on a PC main board.

Interesting but not surprising that they switched from ARM to Intel core i5 and a standard motherboard. Would make development way easier, and cost minimisation really isn't a factor at this high end price point.

[KungFuJosh]

Interesting but not surprising that they switched from ARM to Intel core i5 and a standard motherboard. Would make development way easier, and cost minimisation really isn't a factor at this high end price point.

Might as well pay $50 for a motherboard if they're going to charge over $20,000 for the scope. 😉

[MathWizard]

Has anyone tried hacking these yet to see if it can play Duke Nukem 3D ??

[Sighound36]

Come on, Siglent are designed with hackability built in on all of their products those 7000 scopes will take a little longer to come to fruition as your average EEV Blog member isn't going to shell out on one for a hackaday project or maybe I'm wrong 

[Martin72]

What would interest me is whether there could be more 12 bit models on the global market.
The Chinese have:
 -800X HD
-1000X HD
-2000X HD
-3000X HD
-6000 Pro H10/H12
-7000 A

"We" have:
-2000X HD
- 7000A

That's a bit meager...
While the 12-bit Siglent is represented in almost all price ranges on the Asian market, there is a huge gap between the 2000X HD and 7000A on the global market.
Which other manufacturers are filling, such as R&S MXO4.
I am happy with my 2504 X HD, but if I wanted "more" I would have to change brands, which I would find a shame.

[nctnico]

That probably has to do with Lecroy not wanting to have their share of the 12 bit market saturated. Problem with the cooperation between Siglent and Lecroy is that much what Lecroy tells to Siglent only applies to the market Lecroy is serving themselves. Keysight, Tektronix and R&S make oscilloscopes with a different phylosophy behind them so each fill different niches with the strong points of their devices.

[tautech]

What would interest me is whether there could be more 12 bit models on the global market.
The Chinese have:
 -800X HD
-1000X HD
-2000X HD
-3000X HD
-6000 Pro H10/H12
-7000 A

"We" have:
-2000X HD
- 7000A

That's a bit meager...

For now.
2024 will be very different.

[Martin72]

That probably has to do with Lecroy not wanting to have their share of the 12 bit market saturated. Problem with the cooperation between Siglent and Lecroy is that much what Lecroy tells to Siglent only applies to the market Lecroy is serving themselves. Keysight, Tektronix and R&S make oscilloscopes with a different phylosophy behind them so each fill different niches with the strong points of their devices.

Keysight doesn't even have any affordable 12-bit models, you can get them for several 10000€.
Tektronix is too expensive for what it offers, R&S is a ray of hope.
If you want something good from Lecroy, the minimum price is around €15,000.
In this respect, I'm a little surprised that Siglent is "allowed" to offer such a caliber as the 7000A here.
Or that the 2000X HD was allowed to come out here.
The obvious agreement is probably being softened somewhat.

For now.
2024 will be very different.

I'll only believe it when I see it.
The only thing Siglent EU has admitted so far is that an entry-level 12-bit scope will be released in the first quarter.

[tautech]

Martin said:
If you want something good from Lecroy, the minimum price is around €15,000.
In this respect, I'm a little surprised that Siglent is "allowed" to offer such a caliber as the 7000A here.
Or that the 2000X HD was allowed to come out here.
The obvious agreement is probably being softened somewhat.

Think again all !
Refresh what you know and think from the info in post #60 ! 

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds7000a-dsos-coming/msg4642900/#msg4642900

[Martin72]

Refresh what you know

Did it.
Now.

[tautech]

Refresh what you know

Did it.
Now.

Explains lots, don’t it.