Siglent SDS7000A 3 and 4 GHz 12 bit DSO's

[gnuarm]

Oh, finally a scope everyone can afford...
Looks good.
Screensize: Waverunner 9000 got 15.6" too and it´s soo huge...
My favorite size is 12.1".

I'm holding out for 17 inches!  Heck, that's not even so common in laptops anymore. 

Prices...Hmm.
2Ghz 6000A will costs appx 11900€ incl. VAT, the 7000A won´t be cheaper.
So it will be a nice to know that siglent could also offer pro-scopes.

Wow!  Far above my needs.  What the world needs is a good 5¢ cigar... I mean, a good $500 attached oscilloscope.  I'd much rather have a small unit I can put in my computer bag than a box that needs it's own bag on the airplane. 

[gnuarm]

Some pictures here: http://www.utestek.com/product/1302.html

I can't quite make out that connector that looks like a DB9 or an HD15.  I don't think it's three rows, so a serial port???  Why would there be a serial port?  I guess that's a COTS motherboard, eh?  So you get some dross with the bits you want.

[markone]

Some pictures here: http://www.utestek.com/product/1302.html

I can't quite make out that connector that looks like a DB9 or an HD15.  I don't think it's three rows, so a serial port???  Why would there be a serial port?  I guess that's a COTS motherboard, eh?  So you get some dross with the bits you want.

It's a COM port, motherboard should be an old 1151 chinese market commercial mini-itx board, given the price category of the instrument it would have been better to adopt a more recent platform with a more powerful processor.

[tautech]

Oh, finally a scope everyone can afford...
Looks good.
Screensize: Waverunner 9000 got 15.6" too and it´s soo huge...
My favorite size is 12.1".

I'm holding out for 17 inches!  Heck, that's not even so common in laptops anymore. 

Why stop at 17 ? 
With:
1x DVI-D: up to 1920x1200 @ 60Hz, 1x DP 1.2: up to 4096x2304 @ 60Hz, 1x HDMI 1.4: up to 4096x2160 @ 60Hz
you could go to three 60" or larger, maybe stand them all on end and let the video driver treat them as a single display......wonderful for conferences and seminars. 

[BillyO]

...wonderful for conferences and seminars. 

Or Mr. Magoo.

[gnuarm]

Oh, finally a scope everyone can afford...
Looks good.
Screensize: Waverunner 9000 got 15.6" too and it´s soo huge...
My favorite size is 12.1".

I'm holding out for 17 inches!  Heck, that's not even so common in laptops anymore. 

Why stop at 17 ? 
With:
1x DVI-D: up to 1920x1200 @ 60Hz, 1x DP 1.2: up to 4096x2304 @ 60Hz, 1x HDMI 1.4: up to 4096x2160 @ 60Hz
you could go to three 60" or larger, maybe stand them all on end and let the video driver treat them as a single display......wonderful for conferences and seminars. 

I'd much rather have a small unit I can put in my computer bag than a box that needs it's own bag on the airplane. 

Oddly enough, some computer makers have 15.3 inch screens and 16 inch screens, but are dropping the 17 inch screens.  I can't see the use case for adding 0.7 inches to a computer screen. 

I need a new machine.  My current one is not much over a year old, but it craps out and simply loses all power periodically.  If I play with it a while, I can get it back up, but it's very reminiscent of running Windows 95, and it's kicking my PTSD into overdrive.

I want a decent keyboard that still has functional arrow keys and the numeric keypad.  The only 17 inch laptop Lenovo sells has a touch pad like a cell phone instead of a number pad.  WTF???

[Domitronic]

Screenshots of the chinese datasheet translated by deepL:

[Domitronic]

Screenshots of the chinese datasheet translated by deepL:

[Domitronic]

Screenshots of the chinese datasheet translated by deepL:

[Domitronic]

Screenshots of the chinese datasheet translated by deepL:

[robert.rozee]

what if Siglent launched the base model at a hobbyist-friendly $3000 price point, with said hobbyist still able to turn on all the options using a publicly available bit of python code? this may be sufficient to significantly disrupt the whole top end of the market. bear in mind that the actual parts cost per unit (ignoring R&D) may not be very high.

perhaps it is intended to be Hantek black... a 'salute' to the top end of the market. will be interesting to see.


cheers,
rob   :-)

[Martin72]

I'm holding out for 17 inches!  Heck, that's not even so common in laptops anymore. 

To get an idea how big 15.4" is in real, I´ve placed three scopes with different screen sizes in a row.



You don't really want to have 17"...

[tautech]

You don't really want to have 17"...

Oh yes I do (thumps fist on table) and will need much much larger when the SDS6000L arrives soon. 

[gnuarm]

I'm holding out for 17 inches!  Heck, that's not even so common in laptops anymore. 

To get an idea how big 15.4" is in real, I´ve placed three scopes with different screen sizes in a row.



You don't really want to have 17"...

That was tongue in cheek.   I want an attached oscilloscope to use with my 17 inch laptop. 

[tautech]

I want an attached oscilloscope to use with my 17 inch laptop.

4, 8 or up to 512 channels ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds6000l-2ghz-12bit-8-ch-(china-only)/

[gnuarm]

I want an attached oscilloscope to use with my 17 inch laptop.

4, 8 or up to 512 channels ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds6000l-2ghz-12bit-8-ch-(china-only)/

4 channels with 16 synchronized digital would be very nice.  But I'm not moving to China to buy it.

[tautech]

I want an attached oscilloscope to use with my 17 inch laptop.

4, 8 or up to 512 channels ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds6000l-2ghz-12bit-8-ch-(china-only)/

4 channels with 16 synchronized digital would be very nice.  But I'm not moving to China to buy it.

You won't need to, predicted release to western markets was Q4 22 but that might run to CNY in a couple weeks, IDK.
They should be released soon and I saw one in his private lab while video chatting to the NA sales manager a few days ago.

[Martin72]

8 bit for the west, again ?

[tautech]

8 bit for the west, again ?

Good question !
Sorry didn't ask. 

[Martin72]

Hopefully not 8 bit only.
If Lecroy should be the reason, the two should talk again.

[spoiler]To be honest, I played "back then" with the thoughts to buy the 6000 (No kidding, the HD I could buy ad hoc, for the 6000 I would have waited a bit and saved).
But spending so much money and then still having 8bit, that was an absolute showstopper and I didn't want to switch to another brand.[/spoiler]

[tautech]

Hopefully not 8 bit only.
If Lecroy should be the reason, the two should talk again.

[spoiler]To be honest, I played "back then" with the thoughts to buy the 6000 (No kidding, the HD I could buy ad hoc, for the 6000 I would have waited a bit and saved).
But spending so much money and then still having 8bit, that was an absolute showstopper and I didn't want to switch to another brand.[/spoiler]

Why, in its price point SDS6000A is hard to beat, 12", 5 GSa/s on each channel, 500 Mpts mem depth and memory management tools like in your HD.
That's why it can honestly state it's a 2 GHz DSO with all channels active.

Bits vs BW is always going to be a choice which depends on needs.
Is the 6kA HW between east and west models really different or is it just done SW ? 

[Martin72]

The first thing my colleagues do is to reduce the memory depth....
It slows the system down - Nothing for unpatient users..

Is the 6kA HW between east and west models really different or is it just done SW ? 

Have we ever seen a teardown...AFAIK not.

[jjoonathan]

> If Lecroy should be the reason, the two should talk again.

I thought Siglent was using LeCroy's 12 bit ADC in all these 12 bit scopes. If so, they cannot simply "talk again," because the whole point of the agreement from LeCroy's perspective was to monetize downmarket without hurting upmarket sales. Letting Siglent use LeCroy ADCs to compete in the West with LeCroy would be tantamount to LeCroy punching themselves in the face.

[luudee]

Dear Friends,

what is your take on the SDS7000A  vs  R&S MXO4 (  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-picture-on-eevblog-of-the-new-rs-mxo4-series-oscilloscope-)/  )   ?

I am very excited to see the SDS7000, assuming it will have a faster UI, since it is using a I3.

Please share your opinion and EWAGs !


Thank you all !
luudee

[2N3055]

Dear Friends,

what is your take on the SDS7000A  vs  R&S MXO4 (  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-picture-on-eevblog-of-the-new-rs-mxo4-series-oscilloscope-)/  )   ?

I am very excited to see the SDS7000, assuming it will have a faster UI, since it is using a I3.

Please share your opinion and EWAGs !


Thank you all !
luudee

New Siglent will be 4 GHz design with 20GS/s sampling by the look of it.. So vastly different class than MXO4..
As for other features, it is not yet released so we don't know yet...