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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
255 (27%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
436 (46.1%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
46 (4.9%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
47 (5%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
162 (17.1%)

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Offline mikeselectricstuff

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1300 on: November 13, 2013, 04:18:36 pm »
No time or date on my 1.19.8 unit.
Only Emissivity, Reflected temperature, Thermal resolution, Digital resolution, and lens field of view.
ISTR there is a file in the root of the USB drive that has lots of prodution info - not absolutely sure if this is there by default or appeared as a result of service mode.
I think the "version" comamnd in the PC update util shows some version info - don't recall if it includes cal date. Creation date of the DCIM folder may also give a clue
 
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1301 on: November 13, 2013, 04:23:24 pm »
Received today:

Serial 639027xx
firmware 1.17.7   <---
cal  Sept 20   

ordered Nov 5 from Tequipment

I installed the modified fif file but no obvious change.  Maybe need to install fw 1.18.7 and have another go at it.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1302 on: November 13, 2013, 04:28:40 pm »
Received today:

Serial 639027xx
firmware 1.17.7
cal  Sept 20   

ordered Nov 5 from Tequipment

I installed the fif file but no obvious change.  Maybe need to install fw 1.18.7 and have another go at it.
Blimey that's an old one - don't think we've seen anything before 1.18.7
Bear in mind that getting the CRC wrong can also appear to have no effect, but as we know 1.18.7 is safe seems no reason not to update to that version. Especially as menu hacks may be more sensitive to version.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1303 on: November 13, 2013, 04:30:19 pm »
Received today:

Serial 639027xx
firmware 1.17.7
cal  Sept 20   

ordered Nov 5 from Tequipment

I installed the fif file but no obvious change.  Maybe need to install fw 1.18.7 and have another go at it.
Blimey that's an old one - don't think we've seen anything before 1.18.7
Bear in mind that getting the CRC wrong can also appear to have no effect, but as we know 1.18.7 is safe seems no reason not to update to that version. Especially as menu hacks may be more sensitive to version.

Yeah, must be NOS
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1304 on: November 13, 2013, 04:42:35 pm »
No time or date on my 1.19.8 unit.
Only Emissivity, Reflected temperature, Thermal resolution, Digital resolution, and lens field of view.
ISTR there is a file in the root of the USB drive that has lots of prodution info - not absolutely sure if this is there by default or appeared as a result of service mode.
I think the "version" comamnd in the PC update util shows some version info - don't recall if it includes cal date. Creation date of the DCIM folder may also give a clue
I haven't had it in service mode, and that file is present (FLIRVers.rsc).
But what i was referring to is that 1.19.8 does not fix the missing date and time in the file information screen issue/bug.
In fact i can't see any UI changes from 1.18, either content or responsiveness.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1305 on: November 13, 2013, 05:32:16 pm »
An Apology.

I would like to apologise to the members of this thread who were upset or inconvenienced by the bulk deletion of my posts. Sometimes you have to do as you are told and this was such an occasion.
I now know where my 'line' is drawn so, no future deletions should occur.

So it was someone else that asked you to delete the posts?

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1306 on: November 13, 2013, 05:38:18 pm »
FW 1.18.7
Calibrated Sept 13

Thats odd the older firmware made it through the cracks on a later calibration.
Perhaps the two processes are unrelated time wise
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1307 on: November 13, 2013, 05:39:05 pm »
First
If Flir sells the same at four different rates :) hmmmm This is to say that cheating client :) Especially to what buy E8 :)  |O
Agilet Rigol etc.... :)

Flir soon change locks lock via the internal EEPROM, etc. ... and changes in software do not give.
Of course, if it comes down to it the link, you can write software that will bypass but it becomes difficult :) (but what satisfaction)
(example Rigol)

But would not it be better to sell the FLIR 1000 pieces camera after $ 999
than 10pieces sell for 999$ and 8p for 1999$ and 5p for 399$9 and two for 5999 $?
After all, these cameras E4 (up to 320x240) after $ 999 or 999Euro sold immediately?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1308 on: November 13, 2013, 05:42:54 pm »
As one who clears? .... NSA :) :) No Such Agency
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1309 on: November 13, 2013, 05:47:30 pm »
On web site FLIR actual firmware is 1.18.7 ?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1310 on: November 13, 2013, 06:43:19 pm »
Dunno how many people have tried to update to 1.18.7 but it takes a LONG time.
On that note - I got mine today from shopflir.com. Came with 1.17.7 and I updated to 1.18.7 and applied the hack.
Works great! (but did crash once right after applying the hack)
Time to have some fun!
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1311 on: November 13, 2013, 07:01:17 pm »
Another success report, finally.

Tip: If you are trying to use a virtual windows installation inside VirtualBox, make sure you have the optional USB2.0 support installed. Without it some of the USB devices exported by the E4 won't work, and you can't install the hack.

Serial: 639055xx
Software: 1.19.8
Cal date: 30th oct.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1312 on: November 13, 2013, 08:59:41 pm »
After battling with horrible customer service from tequipment.net (first bad experience in their defense) and realizing that the shipment to arrive from FLIR in a few weeks will be with a revision I likely cannot hack, I decided to cancel my order. However, I managed to find one last E4 in stock from flir-direct Canada (my homeland) to I ordered there (which works out better anyways since I get a free gift and no customs charges).

I'm not sure if anyone else is still carrying the old E4's anymore, but it looks like our fun is quickly coming to an end. I may even be the last to enjoy the hack  :)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1313 on: November 13, 2013, 09:01:33 pm »
That's assuming nobody finds another hack, which I doubt will be the case.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1314 on: November 13, 2013, 09:22:15 pm »
I would like to apologise to the members of this thread who were upset or inconvenienced by the bulk deletion of my posts. Sometimes you have to do as you are told and this was such an occasion.
I now know where my 'line' is drawn so, no future deletions should occur.

1. We should respect that. I presume you had a good reason to do it.

2. If such an urgent need will happen in the future, you should be able to delete it just the same.  No point of getting forum members harmed in any way.

Drain the swamp.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1315 on: November 13, 2013, 09:35:49 pm »
Picked my new E4 up earlier today, serial is 63906xxx and it has fw ver 1.19.8.
Phew, I was a bit worried about the firmware revision, but it all went better than expected :)

Only thing left missing is the "free time" (is that really a thing?) to mess around with my new toy...
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1316 on: November 13, 2013, 10:09:58 pm »
Please let me know what or who "NDA" is. Is the correct acronym given below?

* NDA National Dance Agency (UK) 
* NDA National Dance Association 
* NDA National Dart Association 
* NDA National Day of Action 
* NDA National Deaf Academy 
* NDA National Dealers Association 
* NDA National Defence Academy (military training school in India) 
* NDA National Defence Act (Canada) 
* NDA National Defense Academy (Japan) 
* NDA National Defense Act (USA) 
* NDA National Defense Area  
* NDA National Democratic Alliance (group of political parties in India) 
* NDA National Dental Association 
* NDA National Department of Agriculture (South Africa) 
* NDA National Diploma of Agriculture (UK) 
* NDA National Directory Assistance (Sprint) 
* NDA National Disability Authority (Ireland) 
* NDA National Distribution Authority 
* NDA National Drilling Association 
* NDA Natural Death Act (Washington) 
* NDA Natural Disaster Assistance 
* NDA Nebraska Dietetic Association 
* NDA Nebraska Dressage Association 
* NDA Nederlandse Dealer Associatie (Dutch) 
* NDA Nepal Dental Association (Lalitpur, Nepal) 
* NDA Network Data Anonymization 
* NDA Network Design Activity 
* NDA Nevada Department of Agriculture (est. 1915) 
* NDA Nevada Development Authority 
* NDA Never Die Alone  
* NDA New Defence Agenda (Brussels, Belgium) 
* NDA New Dimensional Applications (SAP) 
* NDA New Drug Application (US FDA) 
* NDA Next Day Air 
* NDA Niagara Divers' Association 
* NDA Nigerian Defence Academy (est. 1964) 
* NDA Night Duty Allowance (on overtime forms) 
* NDA Nissan Design America (La Jolla, CA) 
* NDA No Data Available 
* NDA No Detectable Activity 
* NDA Non-Data-Aided 
* NDA Non-Destructive Analysis  
* NDA Non-Destructive Assay 
* NDA Non-Disclosure Agreement 
* NDA Non-Disturbance Agreement 
* NDA Nonprescription Drug Advisory (US FDA) 
* NDA Normal Daily Activity 
* NDA Northern Domestic Airspace 
* NDA Not Diagnosed with Anything 
* NDA Notre Dame Academy 
* NDA Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (UK) 
* NDA Nuffield Department of Anaesthetics (University of Oxford; UK)
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1317 on: November 13, 2013, 10:18:33 pm »
In the context discussed

* NDA Non-Disclosure Agreement 
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1318 on: November 13, 2013, 10:19:03 pm »
Finally got 'educated' on using the 3d printer at work and 'printed' a lens adjustment tool today.

I have to test it for fit when I get home and then make any tweaks as needed. Crossing my fingers that it's perfect first go (yeah, right...). Pictures attached.

When I get it "right" I'll upload the sketchup/stl files.

cheers,
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1319 on: November 13, 2013, 10:44:23 pm »
just got mine.

1.18.7, sep 26 calibration.  :)

Haven't checked the other one, but I suspect it to be similar.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1320 on: November 13, 2013, 11:45:16 pm »
Finally got 'educated' on using the 3d printer at work and 'printed' a lens adjustment tool today.

I have to test it for fit when I get home and then make any tweaks as needed. Crossing my fingers that it's perfect first go (yeah, right...). Pictures attached.

When I get it "right" I'll upload the sketchup/stl files.

cheers,
george.
Hi George
That looks pretty good :)

I had a go at making a funnel version using two PCBs that were connected by tinned copper wires. So it looked like a 'cage' funnel. It allowed both cameras to operate because both could still see forwards.

But  my advice to you is to only use your prototype a few times because it may scratch the soft plastic around the lens body unless the material is soft and smooth.

Mine is quite scratched now and I'm going to make a tool from plastic or PTFE next. The other thing I'll add is that the 'look thru' type of tool is great but unless you can hold it firmly into the lens then it will keep slipping out as you use it and this is a sure way to scratch the lens body. I've gone back to using a basic 'key' tool like the early versions below because this is easier (and far less likely to slip and scratch) than fiddling with the 'look thru' version. The key tools below are optimised in form and fit to provide the most accurate rotary action and best feel (for me at least)

I just need to find a suitable material for the end pieces that is non abrasive. eg PTFE.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1321 on: November 13, 2013, 11:48:55 pm »
The tool I printed is made of PLA - it is not a particular 'hard' plastic, so should be quite safe to use.

I'll find out soon enough  ;D

cheers,
george.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1322 on: November 13, 2013, 11:59:46 pm »
In case anyone is looking for E4's, I just bought one from ShopFlir.com.  They do not have any stock in the USA, but they do have stock in Canada (11 at the time I talked to Grant over there).

They were able to price match my quote from Valuetesters, although I had to pay $50 for shipping to the USA.

If it's true that FLIR is making a firmware fix to try to prevent future hacks, it would be wise to get one from stock while still possible.


What's interesting is that a few people I have talked to (at distributors/sellers) have said they usually get parts from FLIR weekly or so, but all of them are saying 3-4 weeks until delivery.  Which makes me think FLIR is holding back on shipments while they implement a fix to prevent hacking.

It's not always the most popular person who gets the job done.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1323 on: November 14, 2013, 12:01:09 am »
Oct 2 Calibration
1.18.8
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1324 on: November 14, 2013, 12:14:42 am »
In case anyone is looking for E4's, I just bought one from ShopFlir.com.  They do not have any stock in the USA, but they do have stock in Canada (11 at the time I talked to Grant over there).

Anyone know if flirshop Canada can ship the E4 direct international?
One would think being in Canada they're not exporting through US customs?
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