Elon Musk (No Politics)

[Electrodynamic]

daqq

Do you really not see anything wrong with a person being given the power to gut a public entity that is investigating him/his companies? Do you not see the gain he gets if an entity tasked with investigating him gets gutted by him? I do believe there's some gain for him there. Do you really not see any issue with this?

Thankfully, this behavior seems to be limited to countries like the U.S., North Korea, Russia and China for now.

Here in Canada almost nobody would think of trying to destroy a public entity simply because it's critical of someone or a company. It's recognized that this represents a clear conflict of interest which does not serve the public interest.

Ironically, in the U.S. this kind of behavior would never have been tolerated 20 years ago. Sure the odd nut job with a self interest might question a newspaper article but it was nothing like the authoritarian dogma were seeing today.

[wraper]

daqq

Do you really not see anything wrong with a person being given the power to gut a public entity that is investigating him/his companies? Do you not see the gain he gets if an entity tasked with investigating him gets gutted by him? I do believe there's some gain for him there. Do you really not see any issue with this?

Thankfully, this behavior seems to be limited to countries like the U.S., North Korea, Russia and China for now.

Here in Canada almost nobody would think of trying to destroy a public entity simply because it's critical of someone or a company. It's recognized that this represents a clear conflict of interest which does not serve the public interest.

Ironically, in the U.S. this kind of behavior would never have been tolerated 20 years ago. Sure the odd nut job with a self interest might question a newspaper article but it was nothing like the authoritarian dogma were seeing today.

You just freeze hundreds of private bank accounts if people dare to protest government's bullshit.

[Electrodynamic]

Whataboutism is a rhetorical tactic where someone responds to an accusation by making a counter-accusation or changing the subject to distract from the original issue.

[Matrix_Glitch]

Whataboutism is a rhetorical tactic where someone responds to an accusation by making a counter-accusation or changing the subject to distract from the original issue.

Actually, main problem is the Selective Justice.

As they say "Selective Justice is a mean bit*h."

Selective justice is no justice at all - it's a form of activism.
Isolate the target and then apply some "moral standards" attack, ignoring the common state of affairs, context etc etc.

Sorose's Commie swarms LOVE this kind of stuff.
Someone determines the target and devises bullshit attack and a swarm of mosquitoes with sudden sense of "moral/legal standards" starts buzzing around.
Same old, same old.

[tszaboo]

How can anyone volunteer in government and not have some conflicts of interest?  This is just FUD unless there's evidence that someone actually exercised their privileges for personal gain, such as the congresspeople who use insider information to trade stocks. I didn't say the person is a saint, but what exactly did he do that's illegal?

Do you really not see anything wrong with a person being given the power to gut a public entity that is investigating him/his companies? Do you not see the gain he gets if an entity tasked with investigating him gets gutted by him? I do believe there's some gain for him there. Do you really not see any issue with this?

Honestly, it depends. It can be bad, and likely Musk did something wrong.
On the other hand if a government entity is filled to the top with politically captured ideologs, the only way to fix it is to completely gut that entity. And that can mean firing 95% of the people there.
Optimally you handle it by making sure there is no conflict of interest, especially since you want it all above board, beyond doubt.

And why? Because otherwise our democracy is pointless. You vote for a policy, and some unelected middle managers just completely ignore it and implement their own ideas.

[Matrix_Glitch]

Honestly, it depends. It can be bad, and likely Musk did something wrong.

Operating with "right" and "wrong" in modern political bukkake is a typical selective justice that is routinely used for hit-job articles in MSM etc.

Yes, D.O.G.E. might have great intentions that turned into a joke.
And there  _might_ be a conflict of interest there.

But I've yet to see some massive advantage that Elon has gained through it.
So far, it looks it brought him a little besides headaches, and he knew it going in.

Going justice warrior on him is RIDICULOUS, given that:
   

• Nethanyahou has OPENLY bragged that he OWNS whole  Congress !
• Massie has publicly said that 98+% senators have their AIPAC handler 24/7/365
• EVERY POTUS as far as I can remember has intertvined his family up to his dog in his political "business". Trump included.
  Bidens became famous for it. But Neither Obamas nor Clintons were far behind.
• Insider trading on a MASSIVE scale is now usual "bussiness practice" for DECADES. Pelosi became famous for her insane gains with share that no one outside of Congress can come close to matching
• Looking what PHARMA, MIC and other players are doing to the voice of elected officials on daily basis is vomit inducing.

Really, with all this, bitching about Elon , his "conflict of interests" etc is not even a bad joke.

BTW - fun trivia:
It turns that D.O.G.E started losing ground at the very moment that Elon stated that it sho8uld comb all of the MIC, PHARMA etc deals.
From that point on, Elon was on his way out, D.O.G.E did only cosmetic stuff and this is where he had a physical altercation with one of DeepStaters.
Weird coincidence, I'm sure.

[tggzzz]

And why? Because otherwise our democracy is pointless. You vote for a policy, and some unelected middle managers just completely ignore it and implement their own ideas.

There has never been a democracy, so stop pretending some imagined democracy is in some way ideal.

Even in ancient Athens, probably only 30% of adults could vote.

In modern times there has only been representative democracies.

If you think one person could carry out policies without managers, you are a twat. There will always be "unelected managers"

[tszaboo]

Honestly, it depends. It can be bad, and likely Musk did something wrong.

Operating with "right" and "wrong" in modern political bukkake is a typical selective justice that is routinely used for hit-job articles in MSM etc.

Can you please tell me what are you doing on this electronics forum?
Every single comment you made is political (and braindead).

[tggzzz]

Honestly, it depends. It can be bad, and likely Musk did something wrong.

Operating with "right" and "wrong" in modern political bukkake is a typical selective justice that is routinely used for hit-job articles in MSM etc.

Can you please tell me what are you doing on this electronics forum?
Every single comment you made is political (and braindead).

For once we agree.

I made a similar point https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/elon-musk/msg6112079/#msg6112079

[tggzzz]

There are ways in which Twatter really is newly improved, much to my surprise.

Dozens of high-engagement accounts on X have been accused of misleading users following the roll-out of a new transparency feature that shows user locations.

Users on the social network seized on examples of pro-Trump accounts that posted about US politics, but which turned out to be based outside the US. There were also anti-Trump accounts with misleading locations too.

Posts from some of the accounts have attracted millions of impressions - views, likes, reposts and replies - which can result in payment from X.

...

However, according to X's head of product, Nikita Bier, the information is 99% accurate.

On Saturday, Trump shared on Truth Social a screenshot of a post from an X account called "TRUMP_ARMY_" celebrating a Supreme Court ruling it says will allow the president to deport criminals to El Salvador.

This account has gathered more than half a million followers, including a senior Republican senator.

But X's data has revealed the account is based in India and the username changed four times since March 2022.

...

Most of these accounts have held blue ticks. This means they subscribe to X's Premium feature and could potentially earn money from their posts depending on their engagement rates.

X users need to satisfy several criteria to gain access to its monetisation programme, including passing identity checks and having more than 5 million impressions within three months.

Alexios Mantzarlis from Cornell Tech says blue tick accounts are exacerbating problems on the platform.

"The blue ticks on these accounts tell us one thing we already knew: X's pay-for-play badging is just a revenue generator and not a serious verification effort."

...

"Bad actors will very likely quickly adapt… they can round it by VPN, they'll adapt the way they're creating their account so it appears they created their account in the west or in the United States".

I wonder if those improvements will last or will be abandoned. Time will tell.

[Psi]

Honestly, it depends. It can be bad, and likely Musk did something wrong.

Operating with "right" and "wrong" in modern political bukkake is a typical selective justice that is routinely used for hit-job articles in MSM etc.

Can you please tell me what are you doing on this electronics forum?
Every single comment you made is political (and braindead).

Matrix_Glitch has a point. Any push to do anything in government, or anywhere really, will have a negative effect on something or some group of people who will look at that thing as bad.   Nothing is 100% right or wrong and we should all stop trying to label things as such.

There's only
- Doing things with the intentions to help others and with the knowledge and understanding that it should overall do far more good than harm.
Or
- Doing thing with selfish intentions to try and gain an advantage over others, or at a cost of others.

The moment anyone labels something as a good thing or a bad thing they are just starting arguments over different points of view and how that thing affects different groups of people.

[EEVblog]

Others have said in this thread, and I'll repeat it: I do not understand why so much of what I see around Elon seems emotional.

Because social media has brainwashed people.

Twitter/X:
He put his money where his mouth is on X and appears to have a chance of saving the company. If anyone really believed it was going to last before he bought it, they were smoking something. Time will tell if he can make it a go.

I literally won a $100 bet with my AmpHour co-host Chris Gammell that Twitter/X would collapse within 6 months of him buying it. LOL, easiest bet ever.

[Cyclotron]

How can anyone volunteer in government and not have some conflicts of interest?  This is just FUD unless there's evidence that someone actually exercised their privileges for personal gain, such as the congresspeople who use insider information to trade stocks. I didn't say the person is a saint, but what exactly did he do that's illegal?

Do you really not see anything wrong with a person being given the power to gut a public entity that is investigating him/his companies? Do you not see the gain he gets if an entity tasked with investigating him gets gutted by him? I do believe there's some gain for him there. Do you really not see any issue with this?

He's not there any more my guy. But you're right, he's super evil lets dig out the chains and the horns to adorn his head. Exactly what investigations stopped? Didn't the president and this guy have a big falling out?  Where's the weaponization and why isn't Musk in jail then?
It's because investigations are simply investigations. You'd have me believe that he's be tried convicted and running free of something.

Do I see issues with the people in charge of government over issues like this?  Yes, don't you see it as the same against them all?  What makes Musk worse than the others? If he's broken the law, he should pay for his crimes just as if you or I did. But the ruling class is treated differently and only certain ones get called out over it. It's complete madness.

[EEVblog]

How can anyone volunteer in government and not have some conflicts of interest?  This is just FUD unless there's evidence that someone actually exercised their privileges for personal gain, such as the congresspeople who use insider information to trade stocks. I didn't say the person is a saint, but what exactly did he do that's illegal?

Do you really not see anything wrong with a person being given the power to gut a public entity that is investigating him/his companies?

Myth. Elon (and DOGE) had zero power to gut anything, it had zero statutory power, that power still remained with the administrative branches of government.

[Cyclotron]

daqq

Do you really not see anything wrong with a person being given the power to gut a public entity that is investigating him/his companies? Do you not see the gain he gets if an entity tasked with investigating him gets gutted by him? I do believe there's some gain for him there. Do you really not see any issue with this?

Thankfully, this behavior seems to be limited to countries like the U.S., North Korea, Russia and China for now.

Here in Canada almost nobody would think of trying to destroy a public entity simply because it's critical of someone or a company. It's recognized that this represents a clear conflict of interest which does not serve the public interest.

Ironically, in the U.S. this kind of behavior would never have been tolerated 20 years ago. Sure the odd nut job with a self interest might question a newspaper article but it was nothing like the authoritarian dogma were seeing today.

Canadians are subject and do the exact same things. They serve and govern bodies that they have conflicts of interest with and over.

Speaking of evils that governments do. While in Toronto a couple weeks ago, I saw Canadian government advertising to its own people propaganda about how great the government is and exploring the ring of fire and doing so with the native population and how its delivering nuclear power to provide sustainable and lower carbon energy. 

This is the kind of thing you see in countries like Canada, North Korea, China, and Russia. They use the taxes of the people to run advertisements to their own people telling them how great their government is.   

[Psi]

Myth. Elon (and DOGE) had zero power to gut anything, it had zero statutory power, that power still remained with the administrative branches of government.

Yep, Elon (and DOGE) had a lot of power to look into records and databases across the board to search for fraud but that was about it.

It's why all the negative DOGE attack stuff was about him getting 'access' to things instead of DOGE doing things.

[EEVblog]

REMINDER: This thread is not meant to be a general political thread, it's a thread on Elon Musk related things.

[EEVblog]

It's why all the negative DOGE attack stuff was about him getting 'access' to things instead of DOGE doing things.

Didn't stop people from blaming him, like this:

[temperance]

Somehow, the existence of this thread and its content go beyond my understanding. This forum, mostly fed by, hopefully, people with a sense of rationale, is now becoming a place for some Elon drama. Do some of you find some kind of weird satisfaction in bashing a billionaire for him being a billionaire?

If you want to talk drama, consider dissecting some real crises. We have more than enough to choose from. If you don't like Elon then you don't buy a T car. It is your choice. Unless you can buy a ticket to go to Mars, exposure to chemical pollution is not a choice, and one for which we are all paying in more than one way.

[Analog Kid]

Myth. Elon (and DOGE) had zero power to gut anything, it had zero statutory power, that power still remained with the administrative branches of government.

Yep, Elon (and DOGE) had a lot of power to look into records and databases across the board to search for fraud but that was about it.

Nope. Don't know how you missed that their "recommendations" (a lot of them at least) were immediately put into effect by the Trump administration. Things like service cuts to Social Security, the IRS, lots of other agencies.

And let's don't forget one other thing, that this gave Musk the opportunity to view data that he definitely should not have been allowed to see, like the bidding data for Pentagon projects his companies were involved in. The term "unfair advantage" comes to mind here (and in fact he may have been in statutory violation in some cases, but hey, who's gonna prosecute him?).

[Analog Kid]

Somehow, the existence of this thread and its content go beyond my understanding. This forum, mostly fed by, hopefully, people with a sense of rationale, is now becoming a place for some Elon drama. Do some of you find some kind of weird satisfaction in bashing a billionaire for him being a billionaire?

But that's not what's happening at all, here or elsewhere.
That's as stupid a statement as "they hate us for our freedom". Total misreading of the sitch.

[Psi]

Somehow, the existence of this thread and its content go beyond my understanding. This forum, mostly fed by, hopefully, people with a sense of rationale, is now becoming a place for some Elon drama. Do some of you find some kind of weird satisfaction in bashing a billionaire for him being a billionaire?

I can answer that, I'll have to twist a Babylon5 quote around a bit, but..
"It's simpler to make a scapegoat of someone who you believe embodies all the worlds problems than it is to actually improve the world yourself"

[KE5FX]

It's why all the negative DOGE attack stuff was about him getting 'access' to things instead of DOGE doing things.

Didn't stop people from blaming him, like this

When you have to immediately rehire 20000+ people you've fired, it's not exactly a sign that you know what you're doing.

I recommend finding other people to carry water for, Dave.  This one isn't the right one.

[Cyclotron]

Honestly, it depends. It can be bad, and likely Musk did something wrong.

Operating with "right" and "wrong" in modern political bukkake is a typical selective justice that is routinely used for hit-job articles in MSM etc.

Can you please tell me what are you doing on this electronics forum?
Every single comment you made is political (and braindead).

Matrix_Glitch has a point. Any push to do anything in government, or anywhere really, will have a negative effect on something or some group of people who will look at that thing as bad.   Nothing is 100% right or wrong and we should all stop trying to label things as such.

There's only
- Doing things with the intentions to help others and with the knowledge and understanding that it should overall do far more good than harm.
Or
- Doing thing with selfish intentions to try and gain an advantage over others, or at a cost of others.

The moment anyone labels something as a good thing or a bad thing they are just starting arguments over different points of view and how that thing affects different groups of people.

100%, couldn't have said it better. Nuance is the real world.

Matrix_Glitch is new but attacked because they are new and have happened to post in threads their views. Why did these people, instead of welcoming a new member to the fray, go do an investigation of them? I mean, the person literally has a few posts and happens to come into this dumpster fire and express his views and that's it, convicted. Sorry, you don't have enough posts here.

Matrix_Glitch posted that X, from their point of view has the most freedom of speech. The attack on that was speech should be restricted. I don't know that X has the most freedom of speech, but I can appreciate that someone might have that as their view. It's dumb.

Welcome Matrix_Glitch. Can't you feel the welcoming spirit here?  I suspect, from what I've read of your posts, your skin is thick enough.

I have seen no evidence that Musk has "EVIL" (every thing is lemons) intentions.

[EEVblog]

Somehow, the existence of this thread and its content go beyond my understanding. This forum, mostly fed by, hopefully, people with a sense of rationale, is now becoming a place for some Elon drama. Do some of you find some kind of weird satisfaction in bashing a billionaire for him being a billionaire?

All this talk was on the forum before, because it's inevitable, it was just spread out across various threads.
Now it's in one place, people can chose to put it on their ignore list.