Tariffs

[Electrodynamic]

At the end of the day tariffs are like putting a band aid on an open chest wound. Far too little far to late.

The fact remains that the U.S. cannot possibly compete with China when a Chinese laborer is only making a few bucks a day. Similar to Mexico and on vacation I saw a 60 year old man making a buck a day making bricks by hand all day long from raw materials on site. Do the math, a brick works out to less than one cent a piece.

So this notion that other more developed nations could ever compete even with automation is nonsense. In the real world real people build real things which eventually require other people to fix and maintain them. The one who can produce a comparable product at a lower cost wins and it ain't the U.S. which is "winning".

Like Elon Musks pipe dream of AI robots replacing the work force. Uhm... the cyber truck looks like a 6 year old designed it, is prone to burst into flames, run over pedestrians or lose body panels at high speed . Who is going to fix and maintain all these supposed robots?. Has anyone actually built a robot and understand how they work?. I have and there is no way in hell this pipe dream is going to fly anytime soon. Imagine millions of smoking roomba's, trailing parts trying to crawl to the nearest charge station... living the dream.

[vad]

After Trump imposed additional high tariffs on goods from China the country hit back by limiting exports of rare earth elements. China has a near monopoly on these elements. These are needed to produce modern electric motors, magnets and various sensors and semiconductors the U.S. needs.

I’m confused. Isn’t this what the majority of the US voters wanted - to make America great again through stronger domestic manufacturing?

With the China’s ban, the US now has a perfect opportunity to build its own mining and separation industries for REEs. Developing these industries will have a significant multiplier effect:
- there will be a boost to the chemical industry, which must produce the chemicals needed for extraction and purification;
- to utilities, which must supply energy and water to the plants;
- to waste management companies, which must handle the toxic and radioactive byproducts;
- to technology and IT sectors, since these facilities will require automation;
- to healthcare, which will have to address the acute and chronic diseases resulting from environmental pollution caused by REE mining and processing.

The country that completed the Manhattan Project in 3 years should be able to onshore rare earth mining and purification within a single presidential term.

[Cyclotron]

At the end of the day tariffs are like putting a band aid on an open chest wound. Far too little far to late.

The fact remains that the U.S. cannot possibly compete with China when a Chinese laborer is only making a few bucks a day. Similar to Mexico and on vacation I saw a 60 year old man making a buck a day making bricks by hand all day long from raw materials on site. Do the math, a brick works out to less than one cent a piece.

So this notion that other more developed nations could ever compete even with automation is nonsense. In the real world real people build real things which eventually require other people to fix and maintain them. The one who can produce a comparable product at a lower cost wins and it ain't the U.S. which is "winning".

Like Elon Musks pipe dream of AI robots replacing the work force. Uhm... the cyber truck looks like a 6 year old designed it, is prone to burst into flames, run over pedestrians or lose body panels at high speed . Who is going to fix and maintain all these supposed robots?. Has anyone actually built a robot and understand how they work?. I have and there is no way in hell this pipe dream is going to fly anytime soon. Imagine millions of smoking roomba's, trailing parts trying to crawl to the nearest charge station... living the dream.

At the end of the day... It gets dark.

I can't say that tariffs are the solution; the news suggests that vast amounts of investments are being made in the US and other Western countries for manufacturing. That could be fake news.
The total is around 4 trillion dollars for the US in 2025, as announced so far. The EU has committed a considerable amount to semiconductors and related technologies.

My first career was in industrial robotics until the administrations in the 90s allowed "Free trade" to take over, causing manufacturing to move elsewhere. I traveled back then to China and watched them duplicate the US machines that my company sold, and even asked me to work on one and show them how to tune it. That robotics company in New Hampshire is gone now. They couldn't even sell the robots to the countries that took the work; those countries stole the designs and copied everything.

At least in the US, as manufacturing left, people were told to stop whining and go retrain or learn to code.  AI is now taking all the entry-level coding jobs and many entry-level IT jobs. I wish you good luck getting started there.

I still build robots and mentor a FIRST Robotics club. Watch some YouTube videos to see what teenagers are building in machine shops with raw parts and materials.

As for Musk, I'm sure there's always a good time to poke fun at him. I'm sure it gets him in the feels. For all the hate he gets, it's hard to argue with his company's successes.

But aside from all of that, I see a lot of criticism in your post. I don't see any indications of solutions. I know AK wants us to roll over and take it; is that your solution, too?

[Cyclotron]

After Trump imposed additional high tariffs on goods from China the country hit back by limiting exports of rare earth elements. China has a near monopoly on these elements. These are needed to produce modern electric motors, magnets and various sensors and semiconductors the U.S. needs.

I’m confused. Isn’t this what the majority of the US voters wanted - to make America great again through stronger domestic manufacturing?

With the China’s ban, the US now has a perfect opportunity to build its own mining and separation industries for REEs. Developing these industries will have a significant multiplier effect:
- there will be a boost to the chemical industry, which must produce the chemicals needed for extraction and purification;
- to utilities, which must supply energy and water to the plants;
- to waste management companies, which must handle the toxic and radioactive byproducts;
- to technology and IT sectors, since these facilities will require automation;
- to healthcare, which will have to address the acute and chronic diseases resulting from environmental pollution caused by REE mining and processing.

The country that completed the Manhattan Project in 3 years should be able to onshore rare earth mining and purification within a single presidential term.

This is what AK wants, the misanthrope said he wants the US to fail and collapse, and China to succeed. Hell, he's said it of humanity. It's one of the many reasons I highly recommend that name be added to an ignore list. Those posts will only serve to make people dumber. But replies to them still pop up.

Anyway, China currently has the majority of REE processing capability in the world. That power is slipping from its fingers daily, so it's using it while it can.
Several nations are actively working to solve the processing problem. Australia is in the lead, the US may be third or tied for 2nd with Brazil. But the US plans to be self-sufficient by 2027, so it is not unlike the timetable of the Manhattan Project.

I expect the current drama will ease; it already has to a large degree. But the countries that aren't paying attention will be paying China and doing whatever it is that they want if they don't take their own steps to control their destiny.

[Analog Kid]

After Trump imposed additional high tariffs on goods from China the country hit back by limiting exports of rare earth elements. China has a near monopoly on these elements. These are needed to produce modern electric motors, magnets and various sensors and semiconductors the U.S. needs.

I’m confused. Isn’t this what the majority of the US voters wanted - to make America great again through stronger domestic manufacturing?

With the China’s ban, the US now has a perfect opportunity to build its own mining and separation industries for REEs. Developing these industries will have a significant multiplier effect:
- there will be a boost to the chemical industry, which must produce the chemicals needed for extraction and purification;
- to utilities, which must supply energy and water to the plants;
- to waste management companies, which must handle the toxic and radioactive byproducts;
- to technology and IT sectors, since these facilities will require automation;
- to healthcare, which will have to address the acute and chronic diseases resulting from environmental pollution caused by REE mining and processing.

The country that completed the Manhattan Project in 3 years should be able to onshore rare earth mining and purification within a single presidential term.

What you write may be true--in theory, anyhow.

But it bears pointing out that the Manhattan Project was completed in 1945. 80 years ago.
The US put a man on the moon in 1969, a somewhat equivalent undertaking. 56 years ago.

We don't live in either one of those worlds anymore.

For just one sorry example, look at the California high-speed rail project for a measure of our competence these days.

[free_electron]

But it bears pointing out that the Manhattan Project was completed in 1945. 80 years ago.
The US put a man on the moon in 1969, a somewhat equivalent undertaking. 56 years ago.
We don't live in either one of those worlds anymore.

well , our phones have mulitple orders of magnitude more processing power. And what do we do with it ? post stupid stuff on facetockyoutwitgram and play farty bird or whatever it's called.

[free_electron]

As for Musk, I'm sure there's always a good time to poke fun at him. I'm sure it gets him in the feels. For all the hate he gets, it's hard to argue with his company's successes.

I've worked there 10 years. I Would never bet against him and his team. He's 3 steps ahead of the 3 steps ahead you think he is. Read that last sentence again.

As for robotics : we are now at an infliction point where AI is far enough advanced to do voice to action reasoning and can run on compact systems.

some stuff i'm working on :

[Cyclotron]

As for Musk, I'm sure there's always a good time to poke fun at him. I'm sure it gets him in the feels. For all the hate he gets, it's hard to argue with his company's successes.

I've worked there 10 years. I Would never bet against him and his team. He's 3 steps ahead of the 3 steps ahead you think he is. Read that last sentence again.

As for robotics : we are now at an infliction point where AI is far enough advanced to do voice to action reasoning and can run on compact systems.

some stuff i'm working on :

Thanks for sharing! I saw the announcement the other day when some of the kids in the FIRST Robotics club shared it with me. The intricate servos used in all of that are so amazing to me, given what I used to work with in the '90s. We struggled with 2mm tolerances at that time.

[Electrodynamic]

Cyclotron

I can't say that tariffs are the solution; the news suggests that vast amounts of investments are being made in the US and other Western countries for manufacturing. That could be fake news.
The total is around 4 trillion dollars for the US in 2025, as announced so far. The EU has committed a considerable amount to semiconductors and related technologies.

I don't mean to be too critical of the U.S. and Canada is in a similar situation.

What I see is some countries moving away from tangible assets like the gold standard and printing trillions in worthless paper money to artificially inflate their economy at others expense. It can work for a while until others lose confidence and they can no longer pay the interest on their debt. This is what were seeing today. It doesn't matter if they print 100 trillion dollars if nobody buys into the bs.

In effect, it's just another pyramid scheme not based in reality or boots on the ground doing useful work. Similar to the 10 year old who randomly bought bitcoin at fractions of one cent and became a billionaire. There is no demonstrable value in it unless others buy into the bs, ergo it's not capitalism just another pyramid scheme.

This is why many countries like China locked the U.S. out of their economy. They realized the dollar was basically worthless and would not allow them to buy real assets having real value for next to nothing. Many countries demanded to be paid in gold which of course never happened.

As well, what were seeing now as increased investment and manufacturing in the U.S. is not through capitalism and increased productivity but extortion. Trump literally threatened to destroy other countries if they did not comply. Once trump is gone I suspect we will see a severe backlash because of what happened. The collapse of tourism and exports is just the tip of the iceberg imo.

As for Musk, I'm sure there's always a good time to poke fun at him. I'm sure it gets him in the feels. For all the hate he gets, it's hard to argue with his company's successes.

I don't hate Musk in any sense of the word, I just don't buy into all the bs. As you implied, facts are facts and all Musk's companies have grossly overinflated evaluations. Musk always tends to make false claims he cannot follow through on. In fact, wall street claims tesla stock is 70% overvalued. So in fact it's not a trillion dollar company in any sense of the word.

But aside from all of that, I see a lot of criticism in your post. I don't see any indications of solutions. I know AK wants us to roll over and take it; is that your solution, too?

The only solution is always demonstrable progress and innovation not grossly overinflated evaluations and pyramid schemes. So of course I am very critical of all the bs I am seeing. It has real consequences for all the people I know who actually work for a living.

[Cyclotron]

Cyclotron

I can't say that tariffs are the solution; the news suggests that vast amounts of investments are being made in the US and other Western countries for manufacturing. That could be fake news.
The total is around 4 trillion dollars for the US in 2025, as announced so far. The EU has committed a considerable amount to semiconductors and related technologies.

I don't mean to be too critical of the U.S. and Canada is in a similar situation.

What I see is some countries moving away from tangible assets like the gold standard and printing trillions in worthless paper money to artificially inflate their economy at others expense. It can work for a while until others lose confidence and they can no longer pay the interest on their debt. This is what were seeing today. It doesn't matter if they print 100 trillion dollars if nobody buys into the bs.

In effect, it's just another pyramid scheme not based in reality or boots on the ground doing useful work. Similar to the 10 year old who randomly bought bitcoin at fractions of one cent and became a billionaire. There is no demonstrable value in it unless others buy into the bs, ergo it's not capitalism just another pyramid scheme.

This is why many countries like China locked the U.S. out of their economy. They realized the dollar was basically worthless and would not allow them to buy real assets having real value for next to nothing. Many countries demanded to be paid in gold which of course never happened.

As well, what were seeing now as increased investment and manufacturing in the U.S. is not through capitalism and increased productivity but extortion. Trump literally threatened to destroy other countries if they did not comply. Once trump is gone I suspect we will see a severe backlash because of what happened. The collapse of tourism and exports is just the tip of the iceberg imo.

As for Musk, I'm sure there's always a good time to poke fun at him. I'm sure it gets him in the feels. For all the hate he gets, it's hard to argue with his company's successes.

I don't hate Musk in any sense of the word, I just don't buy into all the bs. As you implied, facts are facts and all Musk's companies have grossly overinflated evaluations. Musk always tends to make false claims he cannot follow through on. In fact, wall street claims tesla stock is 70% overvalued. So in fact it's not a trillion dollar company in any sense of the word.

But aside from all of that, I see a lot of criticism in your post. I don't see any indications of solutions. I know AK wants us to roll over and take it; is that your solution, too?

The only solution is always demonstrable progress and innovation not grossly overinflated evaluations and pyramid schemes. So of course I am very critical of all the bs I am seeing. It has real consequences for all the people I know who actually work for a living.

As far as I know, there's no gold-backed currency in the world. The US has long held a privilege and a certain amount of power because international trade is often in the USD. China would like to take that position as it would enjoy similar power. Does the US deserve the position? That's debatable for sure. But if I were to compare the two, it is in the West's best interest to maintain the standard in a Western economy. China has every right to be wary of the US and the West; our way of life and values do not align with theirs, posing a threat to their way of life. In the same vein, the West or really any more democratic society should see China's wielding of power as a threat to their way of things.

In China, citizens have a social score. I can't imagine living with that. The West has a credit score system, but you don't get demerits for not visiting your parents. Or eating a sandwich on the train to work. Imagine not being able to use the train or fly because of your credit score.

I really have no insight into how much Musk's companies are valued currently. I'm not directly invested in any of them. The level of technology coming from these companies is substantial. He helms a diverse set of cutting-edge technology companies, AI, implants, broadband, robotics, rockets, EVs, and even a tunnel boring company. But Musk is just leading these companies, and that leadership has attracted talent that has produced these fantastic things. I recall the hair standing up on the back of my neck the day I witnessed the first landing of two boosters on the Falcon Heavy. Boeing told everyone that landing a booster wasn't possible, we watched two land side by side that day.

CEOs are always overly optimistic both publicly and internally. Leaders in general are optimistic . That can create intentional and non-intentional fairy tales. They must walk a fine line in the US due to forward statements and SEC regulations. But giving optimistic timelines and points of view is typical of every CEO I've worked for. Most CEOs are full of shit.

I don't have any substantial disagreement with your views, though I tend to be more optimistic myself. I unequivocally support the view of builders, workers, and people who create a nation's wealth. I come from very, very poor beginnings, and I know the value of the talent, blood, sweat, and tears of people who are doing their part and more to create something bigger and provide for their families.

[AVGresponding]

Lying isn't optimism, it's lying. When you claim something, that you know isn't true, it's lying.

[Electrodynamic]

AVGresponding

Lying isn't optimism, it's lying. When you claim something, that you know isn't true, it's lying.

It's kind of wild if we think about it...

So I'm an Engineer and literally spent decades trying to solve all the problems associated with energy and energy conversion systems. Spent thousands of hours researching wind and hydro power, building prototypes, running CFD models, scouring the internet for all relevant patents. There is barely a question you could ask me in this field that I cannot give a coherent answer to.

However then we meet some uneducated person like my brother in law who doesn't understand FA presuming to lecture me on how wind power doesn't work just because he watched some misguided bs on fox news I tend to disagree. So I tried to explain the very basic physics in a way even a 6 year old child could understand but he was not having it. So my question is how can we even try to rationalize the facts of this matter?.

In fact there is a coherent explanation for this bizarre behavior called the crab effect or mentality...

The "crab effect," also known as crab mentality, describes a behavior where individuals in a group try to pull down those who are succeeding or trying to improve, often out of jealousy or insecurity. This phenomenon is illustrated by the metaphor of crabs in a bucket, where one crab trying to escape is pulled back down by others, ensuring that no one escapes.

If this does not disturb you to your very core then I suspect there is something very wrong with us. Not me, mind you, I realize how completely fubar the situation is. So any billionaires out there, PM me, I have nothing but options to secure your continued safety and survival. The rest, uhm... sorry about your luck.

[free_electron]

The "crab effect," also known as crab mentality, describes a behavior where individuals in a group try to pull down those who are succeeding or trying to improve, often out of jealousy or insecurity. This phenomenon is illustrated by the metaphor of crabs in a bucket, where one crab trying to escape is pulled back down by others, ensuring that no one escapes.

Aha. Now i know there is a name for this illness. This has been irritating me since i was 7 or 8 years old.
Anything new and exciting like space exploration was always shot down with excuses like : what's it good for ? what's this going to do for us working people? ". It was a big spoilsport.
I still get irritated by people that knock down advancements. What are computers going to bring ? they are only going to remove jobs. Robots ? job loss .. AI . Job loss. Rockets ? don't bring anything for us. rich mans toys.
Electric cars ? Who's going to work on those ? I can't do my own oil change anymore.
Led lights ? They break too fast, i don;t like the color. whatever.

There is a mass of people that shoot anything new down because they have no grasp on it. They see everything as either a threat or a pile of extra work to deal with. Except smart phones. Those are useful and they need always the latest and greatest to sit in their bucket playing crappy bird and watch youtwitfacetock and keep up with the crapdancians.

[Electrodynamic]

freeelectron

The "crab effect," also known as crab mentality, describes a behavior where individuals in a group try to pull down those who are succeeding or trying to improve, often out of jealousy or insecurity. This phenomenon is illustrated by the metaphor of crabs in a bucket, where one crab trying to escape is pulled back down by others, ensuring that no one escapes.

Indeed, and it took a long time for me to recognize the disturbing patterns of behavior as well.

It was weird because the people in question were not stupid but severely misguided in their reasoning skills. They claimed if I cannot understand it then nobody can. First, they are nobody and second most ignorant people can't understand much of anything. Thus the claim they cannot understand something is more a statement of ignorance than superiority.

Oh I can't understand it ergo superiority, no your probably ignorant to the facts 

[Sorama]

The "crab effect," also known as crab mentality, describes a behavior where individuals in a group try to pull down those who are succeeding or trying to improve, often out of jealousy or insecurity. This phenomenon is illustrated by the metaphor of crabs in a bucket, where one crab trying to escape is pulled back down by others, ensuring that no one escapes.

Aha. Now i know there is a name for this illness. This has been irritating me since i was 7 or 8 years old.
Anything new and exciting like space exploration was always shot down with excuses like : what's it good for ? what's this going to do for us working people? ". It was a big spoilsport.
I still get irritated by people that knock down advancements. What are computers going to bring ? they are only going to remove jobs. Robots ? job loss .. AI . Job loss. Rockets ? don't bring anything for us. rich mans toys.
Electric cars ? Who's going to work on those ? I can't do my own oil change anymore.
Led lights ? They break too fast, i don;t like the color. whatever.

There is a mass of people that shoot anything new down because they have no grasp on it. They see everything as either a threat or a pile of extra work to deal with. Except smart phones. Those are useful and they need always the latest and greatest to sit in their bucket playing crappy bird and watch youtwitfacetock and keep up with the crapdancians.

What you are describing here, is not the crab effect.

[Andy Chee]

The "crab effect," also known as crab mentality, describes a behavior where individuals in a group try to pull down those who are succeeding or trying to improve, often out of jealousy or insecurity. This phenomenon is illustrated by the metaphor of crabs in a bucket, where one crab trying to escape is pulled back down by others, ensuring that no one escapes.

Aha. Now i know there is a name for this illness. This has been irritating me since i was 7 or 8 years old.
There is a mass of people that shoot anything new down because they have no grasp on it. They see everything as either a threat or a pile of extra work to deal with. Except smart phones. Those are useful and they need always the latest and greatest to sit in their bucket playing crappy bird and watch youtwitfacetock and keep up with the crapdancians.

What you are describing here, is not the crab effect.

Well don't leave us hanging.....

Either tell us;

a) what the correct label for the phenomenon is called, or
b) what the term crab effect actually refers to, or
c) whether the described phenomenon is a real or imagined phenomenon, or
d) all of the above.

[tggzzz]

Anything new and exciting like space exploration was always shot down with excuses like : what's it good for ? what's this going to do for us working people?

Famously a government minister did that after seeing a demonstration of electricity at the Royal Institution.

Faraday's response was "One day, sir, you may tax it".

[PlainName]

The "crab effect," also known as crab mentality, describes a behavior where individuals in a group try to pull down those who are succeeding or trying to improve, often out of jealousy or insecurity. This phenomenon is illustrated by the metaphor of crabs in a bucket, where one crab trying to escape is pulled back down by others, ensuring that no one escapes.

Aha. Now i know there is a name for this illness. This has been irritating me since i was 7 or 8 years old.
There is a mass of people that shoot anything new down because they have no grasp on it. They see everything as either a threat or a pile of extra work to deal with. Except smart phones. Those are useful and they need always the latest and greatest to sit in their bucket playing crappy bird and watch youtwitfacetock and keep up with the crapdancians.

What you are describing here, is not the crab effect.

Well don't leave us hanging.....

Either tell us;

a) what the correct label for the phenomenon is called, or
b) what the term crab effect actually refers to, or
c) whether the described phenomenon is a real or imagined phenomenon, or
d) all of the above.

You left out the possibility that it's a real behaviour and just not the one that has the crab descriptor. And I agreee - those sorts don't want the new stuff not because they are jealous or any of that but because they don't want change. It frightens them. They would probably be fine if whatever the new thing was didn't come anywhere near them or intrude on them in any way, but something like energy supply or food packaging is something they can't ignore.

[Sorama]

The "crab effect," also known as crab mentality, describes a behavior where individuals in a group try to pull down those who are succeeding or trying to improve, often out of jealousy or insecurity. This phenomenon is illustrated by the metaphor of crabs in a bucket, where one crab trying to escape is pulled back down by others, ensuring that no one escapes.

Aha. Now i know there is a name for this illness. This has been irritating me since i was 7 or 8 years old.
There is a mass of people that shoot anything new down because they have no grasp on it. They see everything as either a threat or a pile of extra work to deal with. Except smart phones. Those are useful and they need always the latest and greatest to sit in their bucket playing crappy bird and watch youtwitfacetock and keep up with the crapdancians.

What you are describing here, is not the crab effect.

Well don't leave us hanging.....

Either tell us;

a) what the correct label for the phenomenon is called, or
b) what the term crab effect actually refers to, or
c) whether the described phenomenon is a real or imagined phenomenon, or
d) all of the above.

Don’t you see the difference

[langwadt]

The "crab effect," also known as crab mentality, describes a behavior where individuals in a group try to pull down those who are succeeding or trying to improve, often out of jealousy or insecurity. This phenomenon is illustrated by the metaphor of crabs in a bucket, where one crab trying to escape is pulled back down by others, ensuring that no one escapes.

Aha. Now i know there is a name for this illness. This has been irritating me since i was 7 or 8 years old.
Anything new and exciting like space exploration was always shot down with excuses like : what's it good for ? what's this going to do for us working people? ". It was a big spoilsport.
I still get irritated by people that knock down advancements. What are computers going to bring ? they are only going to remove jobs. Robots ? job loss .. AI . Job loss. Rockets ? don't bring anything for us. rich mans toys.
Electric cars ? Who's going to work on those ? I can't do my own oil change anymore.
Led lights ? They break too fast, i don;t like the color. whatever.

There is a mass of people that shoot anything new down because they have no grasp on it. They see everything as either a threat or a pile of extra work to deal with. Except smart phones. Those are useful and they need always the latest and greatest to sit in their bucket playing crappy bird and watch youtwitfacetock and keep up with the crapdancians.

here it is the law   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

[free_electron]

here it is the law   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

in short : you shall be a small grey mouse in a mass of other small grey mice. You are born poor and stupid and we will keep you poor and stupid till the day you die.
And we don;t like it if you try to advance in life.

[Cyclotron]

here it is the law   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

in short : you shall be a small grey mouse in a mass of other small grey mice. You are born poor and stupid and we will keep you poor and stupid till the day you die.
And we don;t like it if you try to advance in life.

I can't stop laughing at this post. Stupidity on my part I guess. But when a poster with the name "free_electron" starts a message "in short" I expect to see sparks fly. Maybe I just need more Scotch.

[Andy Chee]

The "crab effect," also known as crab mentality, describes a behavior where individuals in a group try to pull down those who are succeeding or trying to improve, often out of jealousy or insecurity. This phenomenon is illustrated by the metaphor of crabs in a bucket, where one crab trying to escape is pulled back down by others, ensuring that no one escapes.

Aha. Now i know there is a name for this illness. This has been irritating me since i was 7 or 8 years old.
There is a mass of people that shoot anything new down because they have no grasp on it. They see everything as either a threat or a pile of extra work to deal with. Except smart phones. Those are useful and they need always the latest and greatest to sit in their bucket playing crappy bird and watch youtwitfacetock and keep up with the crapdancians.

What you are describing here, is not the crab effect.

Well don't leave us hanging.....

Either tell us;

a) what the correct label for the phenomenon is called, or
b) what the term crab effect actually refers to, or
c) whether the described phenomenon is a real or imagined phenomenon, or
d) all of the above.

Don’t you see the difference

Interesting non-response.  You choose to interrogate me, whilst leaving the forum hanging without a definitive answer.

[Electrodynamic]

Interesting, the rules of Jante could be considered to be the cause of the crab effect.

The law of Jante seems misguided imo. "You are not to think you're anyone special, or that you're better than us." If they do not think any one is better than the group why would they think more non-better people is somehow better?, lol. This is just another flavor of populism imo.

Very similar to what were seeing in many countries at the moment. Entitled leaders from generational wealth who never worked a day in their life claiming to be a common man and victimized. It must be so hard being given hundreds of millions of dollars by your daddy.

[tggzzz]

Very similar to what were seeing in many countries at the moment. Entitled leaders from generational wealth who never worked a day in their life claiming to be a common man and victimized. It must be so hard being given hundreds of millions of dollars by your daddy.

Even worse: if you had been gifted all that, had gone into business, and emerged with less money that you would have had if you had merely put it into relatively safe investments.

It is also more than that. Read Picketty to understand the significance of the proportion of wealth in a society gained by:

• doing things, e.g. working or creating or building
• "renting" things, i.e. making money from things that you own. E.g. houses, land, lending your money

His widely-respected thesis, backed by exhaustive analysis of countries since the industrial revolution, is that money tends to gravitate to those that already have money. While people believe they can become richer by working, a country is stable. When they no longer believe that (because too much money is in the hands of too few people and they abuse that), then the country becomes unstable and revolutions occur.

Guess where we are now, and don't be surprised that those with excessive money are using traditional techniques to stay that way: persuading people that OtherPeople and the poor are to blame.

https://theconversation.com/is-inequality-a-natural-phenomenon-thomas-piketty-argues-it-isnt-and-proposes-a-way-forward-240325