Snake oil

[total-selena]

Then it will consume energy for which you have to pay. Therefore it is not free.

And what is the deal with 4 kW, why is the limitation? Why not 4 MW or 4 GW?  There is a lot more of free energy out there, I want all my free energy.

It takes a few seconds to start. Then it disconnects from the network.
The power is limited by the diameter of the wires in the resonator. In general, inventors do not pursue strength, but simply experiment. There are generators and 100 watts. It's just a matter of energy recovery.

[TimFox]

Undoubtedly, the circuit as drawn will have electrical losses due to wires and semiconductors.
Just like a flywheel will lose energy due to air resistance and bearing friction.
The claim here is that the circuit will generate more energy to the load than what was given to it, and I am skeptical.

[Kim Christensen]

It takes a few seconds to start. Then it disconnects from the network.

I assume R1 and R2 are resistors?
What are T1 & T2 on your diagram and what do they do?

[total-selena]

Trirstors. They work in avalanche mode. Break through at a voltage of about 350 volts.
The resistors block the triristors.

[Bud]

Then it will consume energy for which you have to pay. Therefore it is not free.

And what is the deal with 4 kW, why is the limitation? Why not 4 MW or 4 GW?  There is a lot more of free energy out there, I want all my free energy.

It takes a few seconds to start. Then it disconnects from the network.
The power is limited by the diameter of the wires in the resonator. In general, inventors do not pursue strength, but simply experiment. There are generators and 100 watts. It's just a matter of energy recovery.

I have several of these free energy generators. They are called rechargeable batteries. I connect them for some time to external power to start. Then i disconnect them from the network and use my free energy.

[total-selena]

I'm happy for you. You are not in danger of an energy collapse 

[vk6zgo]

There is no "free" energy. We need to use the energy that the environment provides us. This is why I don't understand the rightwing hatred of wind/solar/tidal energy. Why ignore sources of energy that can replace or supplement our finite supplies of oil? If you can burn 1 barrel of oil to make a wind/solar/tidal plant that can produce more energy than just burning that 1 barrel of oil, why wouldn't you do so?

In order to get 1 watt from solar panels, you must first spend 10 watts of oil in production and logistics. That's the problem. Solar panels are low resource fun.

And free energy generators are real devices, and they are the future. In 1000 years your opinion will change.

The solar panels will keep on producing that 1 watt for decades, long after you have burnt those 10 watts worth of oil.
In any case, watts by themselves are meaningless.
You need to use "watt-hours.

Sorry, in 1000 years, my opinion will be the same------dead people are rather "set in their ways".

[Fungus]

Free energy violates a general rule of the universe that you cannot win.

There's "free" energy out there, depending on how you define the word "free".

Usually you have to define it as "free for me", eg. harvesting radio energy from WiFi. The energy is there but somebody else is paying for it.

Yes, you can harvest radio waves from outer space but that's a fools errand compared to using solar panels. You'll get microwatts at best by doing that (look how big radio telescopes are!)

The only realistic "free" energy is from nuclear reactions and from places where energy is moving around the solar system, eg.
* Solar radiation
* Kinetic energy from the movements of solar bodies (tides)
* Local effects like wind

You could argue that digging up previously-stored energy like coal/oil is "free" but that's a path we're trying to avoid.

[daqq]

By understanding real physics, the generator can be soldered in one day.

That's great! Please solder one and send it to Dave.

[Miyuki]

And what about a great Sonic boiler
https://sonicboilers.com/en/

Boiling of electrolyte at temp. ~ 70°C results in the generation of steam at temp. ~ 100°C what gives max. temp. on boiler outlet: ~ 70°C. The process is immediate, which makes that the SONIC boiler optimally cooperates with all systems: with floor warming, radiator, and combined systems.

Makes sense 

[helius]

Ultrasonic power can produce "steam" but it is rather cold. I don't fully understand the kinetics but it causes fine droplets to fly out through the water reservoir into the air. When playing with a device like the one pictured below, with the tank removed, a shallow pool of water remains above the transducer. If you defeat the safety switch you can see it operating and feel the cavitation with your finger. It is hot immediately around the transducer when operating but the rest of the pool remains cold.

[coppice]

Ultrasonic power can produce "steam" but it is rather cold. I don't fully understand the kinetics but it causes fine droplets to fly out through the water reservoir into the air. When playing with a device like the one pictured below, with the tank removed, a shallow pool of water remains above the transducer. If you defeat the safety switch you can see it operating and feel the cavitation with your finger. It is hot immediately around the transducer when operating but the rest of the pool remains cold.

I think the difference between boiling the water and using ultrasonic cavitation is the cavitation approach produces a much bigger spread of kinetic energies in the molecules of the vapour. Molecules leaving the surface of boiling water are most just energetic enough to leave, and will quickly be below the threshold again. A lot of molecules leaving the ultrasonic device are way above that threshold. and will stay that way for a while. Certainly the resulting vapour is very different. Not only does it not give you the immediate sense of heat that putting your hand in the cloud above a kettle gives, as the vapour condenses on your skin, and pumps all its remaining energy into you. It also condenses more slowly, and only leaves puddles around the machine if you seriously constrict the air flow.

[Nominal Animal]

Ultrasonic power can produce "steam" but it is rather cold.

Better call it "mist" or "fog", as it is very small liquid droplets suspended in air, and not traditional steam (containing water vapour, water in gaseous phase).

Ultrasonic aerosolizers/nebulizers/atomizers/etc. do not convert the liquid to vapor (gas): there is no phase transition.  They only mechanically chop the liquid up into tiny little droplets.  There is basically no temperature change, and only very little energy spent in the mechanical chopping action.

[helius]

Ultrasonic aerosolizers/nebulizers/atomizers/etc. do not convert the liquid to vapor (gas): there is no phase transition.  They only mechanically chop the liquid up into tiny little droplets.  There is basically no temperature change, and only very little energy spent in the mechanical chopping action.

Ultimately there must be a phase transition, because it increases the humidity of the air in the environment. Humidity is a function of the amount of vapor in the air. (Phenomena like fog or mist are created from water vapor as it condenses in proximity to the cool earth.)

Even the steam rising from a kettle is a mixture of water vapor and condensing droplets, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to see it; water vapor is as transparent as air.

I suppose you could correctly say that the thermal energy is provided by the ambient air molecules into which the droplets are emitted, as they share their kinetic energy with vapor molecules that come out of the droplets. This is the reverse from droplets condensing from steam, in which the hot water vapor gives up its heat to the cool air and recondenses.

[TimFox]

Although dictionaries may differ on this, I was taught that "steam" was the visible material that included water vapor and droplets, as seen in a teakettle or steam locomotive, but that "water vapor" was invisible.
Humidity, however, can contain both water vapor and water droplets.

[coppice]

Although dictionaries may differ on this, I was taught that "steam" was the visible material that included water vapor and droplets, as seen in a teakettle or steam locomotive, but that "water vapor" was invisible.
Humidity, however, can contain both water vapor and water droplets.

The usual terms, like your find in books about steam engines and turbines, are wet steam and dry steam. Wet steam. which is visible. is a mix of gas and fine droplets. When there are no droplets left its called dry steam, and is a true gas.

[TimFox]

Besides dry (saturated) and wet (unsaturated, the most common type) steam, steam-plant engineering also defines superheated steam and supercritical water.
https://www2.tlv.com/steam-info/steam-theory/steam-basics/types-of-steam

[Nominal Animal]

Ultrasonic aerosolizers/nebulizers/atomizers/etc. do not convert the liquid to vapor (gas): there is no phase transition.  They only mechanically chop the liquid up into tiny little droplets.  There is basically no temperature change, and only very little energy spent in the mechanical chopping action.

Ultimately there must be a phase transition, because it increases the humidity of the air in the environment.

Don't forget: even if you have absolutely dry air and expose liquid water, you'll get some water vapor in the air.  See vapour pressure of vapour.  The ambient air, water vapor, and water (both in vessels and in droplets) are in (well, tend towards) thermodynamic equilibrium.  (Analogously, you do get some water vapour from warm water even if it is not boiling hot.)

The energy for these state transitions are provided by the temperature of both the water and the ambient air.
This happens independently of the aerosolizer/nebulizer/atomizer/etc., with the tiny droplets having huge surface area compared to one liquid blob of water.
You can get the same humidity effect by having running water in the same room.

[Electrodynamic]

The solar panels will keep on producing that 1 watt for decades, long after you have burnt those 10 watts worth of oil.
In any case, watts by themselves are meaningless.
You need to use "watt-hours.

The standard solar cell power loss for most panels is around 1% per year. So after 25 years the output drops to 75% of the rated output which is pretty good. I mean how many devices do we own that are still operating day after day for 25 years?, very few.

As well many people seem infatuated with performance and ignore other facts. What's wrong with 50 year old solar panels still producing 50% of the rated output?. For many not so lucky people 50 years is a lifetime. Most people could install solar panels today and would be dead by the time the output ever dropped below 50% of the rated output.

On "free energy", the Sun has been producing around 12 million trillion trillion trillion trillion Joules of energy per year for about 4.6 billion years. We didn't create or produce the Sun or it's energy and it has nothing to do with us. By definition the Sun's energy is free and the only cost related to us is when we want to convert it to some other form. So to me it seems more than a little egoistical that some people believe the world and energy still revolves around them.

[coppice]

I mean how many devices do we own that are still operating day after day for 25 years?, very few.

Most infrastructure operates for more than 25 years. Not just the big grid stuff, but the wiring, pipes, taps, sockets and other fittings in your own home.

[MrMobodies]

https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/documents/sec/mp169-modification-report-v0-6/

Removal of Communications Hubs
During the Development Stage the Proposer noted that some Suppliers are attempting to comply with consumer wishes to have Smart Meters installed in a non-communicative state by not commissioning the Communications Hub or by physically removing the Communications Hub.
The TABASC https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/tabasc/) noted concerns about removing Communications Hubs at a premise where a fully functioning Smart Metering System is already installed, suggesting meters may become * ‘distressed  ’ if they lost connection to the Communications Hub.

* It is NOT human, it doesn't have bl**dy feelings.

How would they know anyway for the ones that have no ability to communicate but are working fine for the customer where they take manual readings.

https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/tabasc/

The Technical Architecture and Business Architecture Sub-Committee (TABASC) was established to provide advice and guidance to the SEC Panel regarding Technical Code Specifications, End-to-End Technical Architecture, and Business Architecture. The TABASC meets on a monthly basis.

That doesn't sound technical or professional to me coming from what is suppose to be a "Technical Sub-Committee" with the word "technical" in it's name.... suggesting meters have feelings and can get distressed.

The DCC and its Service Providers highlighted that any solution that involved removing the Communications Hub would prevent any firmware upgrades to Communications Hubs, meters and any other Devices on the Home Area Network (HAN) which would be an area of concern for security. 

It's disconnected. It can't communicate, it has no radio, so how can it be a security risk?

For those that want whatever privacy they have left the same what they use to have before and to manual read, that's the point, no connectivity, no updates, no remote data collection or remote realtime monitoring.

It also confirmed that their systems were set up to identify and report non-communicating meters, but not to identify if this was intentional. 

If it has nothing to communicate with apart from the reader reading the KWH digits from the display so they wouldn't know would they?

SECAS and the Proposer have developed a Proposed Solution which aligns with the SEC processes for installing and commissioning Communications Hubs, and which does not require their removal. The Proposed Solution will also introduce the * ability to discern between Devices which are non-communicating due to a fault or due to consumer choice.

That is not consumer choice, when they specifically cite the preference to be physically disconnected from the data network where there is no chance of data being collected or any remote readings about their usage to everybody else but the neighbours.That's just checking up on them.

If they don't like the idea I'd like to hear their real reason than coming out about meters becoming distressed.

Joke: Imagine the police checking up on people who have their curtains closed and proposed to ban curtains on windows so they can have the "* ability" to watch what your meter is doing and everything you draw through it to "discern" those who want privacy to those that are genuinely up to no good.

Just remembered this:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/energy-company-broke-in-house-after-ai-senses-tamper-on-smart-meter/
and with the above and that I am waiting for the day when they start claiming that the "Communication hub" is the AI.


What do you think of that?

[Nominal Animal]

What do you think of that?

My computer says no.

[McBryce]

https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/documents/sec/mp169-modification-report-v0-6/

Removal of Communications Hubs
During the Development Stage the Proposer noted that some Suppliers are attempting to comply with consumer wishes to have Smart Meters installed in a non-communicative state by not commissioning the Communications Hub or by physically removing the Communications Hub.
The TABASC https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/tabasc/) noted concerns about removing Communications Hubs at a premise where a fully functioning Smart Metering System is already installed, suggesting meters may become * ‘distressed  ’ if they lost connection to the Communications Hub.

* It is NOT human, it doesn't have bl**dy feelings.

McBryce.

[MrMobodies]

Here's ANOTHER one:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/33818907/energy-meter-warning-issued-to-thousands/

SWITCH OFF Energy meter warning issued to thousands across the UK – key switch to make or risk losing water  and electricity supply
Keep scrolling to see if you need to contact your supplier and upgrade your meter
Laura McGuire
Published: 4:00, 13 Mar 2025Updated: 12:49, 17 Mar 2025

Homes with electricity meters using the Radio Teleswitch Service (RTS), will need to upgrade to a smart meter come June 30.

HOW?

Water SUPPLY? So my tap will stop giving out water?
Is that bullshit? and scare mongering?

Water supplies run off mechanical meters or battery operated "smart" meters independent of household electrical supply.

[Buriedcode]

Here's ANOTHER one:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/33818907/energy-meter-warning-issued-to-thousands/

SWITCH OFF Energy meter warning issued to thousands across the UK – key switch to make or risk losing water  and electricity supply
Keep scrolling to see if you need to contact your supplier and upgrade your meter
Laura McGuire
Published: 4:00, 13 Mar 2025Updated: 12:49, 17 Mar 2025

Homes with electricity meters using the Radio Teleswitch Service (RTS), will need to upgrade to a smart meter come June 30.

HOW?

Water SUPPLY? So my tap will stop giving out water?
Is that bullshit? and scare mongering?

Water supplies run off mechanical meters or battery operated "smart" meters independent of household electrical supply.

Its the Sun... if its the Sun, The Daily Fail, Evening Standard, or even worse, - The Telegraph, and it is related to technology/health/Medicine/Science - chances are its bollocks.