Oh FFS... $40-80 is nothing. I've spent more than that just for quieter fans.
The pcie bus is PRECISELY why I recommended the 570X series boards; even on the 470X boards it is already a bottleneck in the disk I/O dept, even with nvme. There won't BE any economical 550 series boards to offer the pcie4.0 bus for a while yet. This is literally a generational update from AMD, not an incremental one.
With pcie4.0, there is a real possibility of doing nvme in RAID0, possibly even more than 2 drives fpr other RAID configs given how many more channels pcie4.0 offers. For that possibility alone it is worth waiting to see what they offer. And as I've already pointed out, even OS on NVME + Data on 2nd nvme is STILL appreciably faster on modern content creation workloads.
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For engineering tasks 8GB isn't going to cut it. Modern software is so bloated that it needs oodles of memory. When planning on using a few virtual machines then 16GB is cutting it awfully close and 32GB is a better choice. Either way, memory is so cheap nowadays that it isn't worth bothering to choose 8GB versus 16GB. Just get 16GB and make sure to leave room for expansion. For my own PC I couldn't even buy a 16GB memory upgrade because it was no longer available; I had to buy 32GB.The links I posted before show that Fusion 360 doesn't really require more than 8 GB RAM. I won't comment on "engineering tasks" as those can be almost anything and everything. Mind you that I'm not necessarily pleading for 8 GB of RAM. I'm just arguing against throwing RAM at something blindly. VMs are one of those things you nearly can't have enough RAM for, although you can get by with smaller amounts. I don't think I've heard beanflying mention VMs at all, so that eventuality is left out of the equation.
At this point I'd probably suggest going for 16 GB of RAM, based on general computing and Fusion 360 and to have some future headroom. Depending on other requirements and what this not very well defined rendering actually entails it may pay to upgrade to more.
I've been advocating all along that he WAIT for the 570X boards... we KNOW about pcie4.0, which in itself is enough reason for me, for the reasons stated. We still don't know what all OTHER features (Aside from latest-gen USB Support and faster built-in multi-channel WiFi which are pretty much a given with every new chipset in these lines) they will offer, especially when combined with Zen3 family processors.
Still an easy choice for me, and I'm a well-known cheap-a**.
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*off to do parental-unit stuffs*
$150 - +/- Decent Case
$180 - 570X MB
$140 - DDR4 (Corsair Vegeance 32GB DDR4-3200; now sold out) Still average price for decent
$120 - Decent PSU
$125 - nvme SSD ~0.5GB$60-70 for a very good case without RGB fart and other stupid whistles.
$100 MOBO
$70-80 good efficient PSU with Japanese caps and more than adequate power rating of 550-650W.
$140 1TB NVMe SSD just as fast as 970 EVO plus.
And 180+ bucks left for other more important things such as CPU.
Please show me a case for $60-70 that won't cook a Ryzen 2700x/3700X and 8GB GPU? Or more likely deafen me with screaming fans? Or one I will throw through a wall trying to install the bits in it?
Please show me a case for $60-70 that won't cook a Ryzen 2700x/3700X and 8GB GPU? Or more likely deafen me with screaming fans? Or one I will throw through a wall trying to install the bits in it?They won't cook even in half decent $40 or even cheaper case with 1 silent fan. And above $70 cooling does not improve, only eye candy. Just in case, those are US prices. BTW GPU heat dissipation has nothing to do with amount of RAM in it.
My current I3 8GB shack box now fitted with it's less than awesome 1GB GPU sucks balls on Fusion 360 with anything complicated and does crash. The CPU certainly won't help but 8GB would seems to be on the slim side NOW and will certainly get worse as the software gets more bloaty and powerful.
You asked too about rendering. Earlier in the thread 30-60FPS 4k video on DaVinci Resolve is what I would like to suit my Mavic ProP.
16GB NOW would be adequate but I can see that running out of legs fairly quickly 32 up front makes sense.
And the graph you show IGNORES power supply and GPU minimum let alone the board.
Really SIMPLE for you as you want to avoid it 'SHOW ME THE CASE' or a link to it ! You are making ambit claims of 'silent' and 'cool enough' with zero caveats or partial facts. Dumping a few hundred watts during a 30-60 minute video rendering job is not trivial or a few minutes of stress test.
I live in a climate where 40+C is common on 10-15 days a year and I have no A/C in my shack.
Really SIMPLE for you as you want to avoid it 'SHOW ME THE CASE' or a link to it ! You are making ambit claims of 'silent' and 'cool enough' with zero caveats or partial facts. Dumping a few hundred watts during a 30-60 minute video rendering job is not trivial or a few minutes of stress test.
I live in a climate where 40+C is common on 10-15 days a year and I have no A/C in my shack.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fractal-Design-Focus-G-ATX-Mid-Tower-Computer-Case-Gunmetal-Gray/707768560
Really SIMPLE for you as you want to avoid it 'SHOW ME THE CASE' or a link to it ! You are making ambit claims of 'silent' and 'cool enough' with zero caveats or partial facts. Dumping a few hundred watts during a 30-60 minute video rendering job is not trivial or a few minutes of stress test.
I live in a climate where 40+C is common on 10-15 days a year and I have no A/C in my shack.To be fair, these Ryzens don't seem to be very hot headed. You obviously still need to get rid of the heat.
Really SIMPLE for you as you want to avoid it 'SHOW ME THE CASE' or a link to it ! You are making ambit claims of 'silent' and 'cool enough' with zero caveats or partial facts. Dumping a few hundred watts during a 30-60 minute video rendering job is not trivial or a few minutes of stress test.
I live in a climate where 40+C is common on 10-15 days a year and I have no A/C in my shack.Quotehttps://www.walmart.com/ip/Fractal-Design-Focus-G-ATX-Mid-Tower-Computer-Case-Gunmetal-Gray/707768560For myself I would buy something larger and bit more expensive.
That H500 cooler master is actually barely better. It costs so much because farts RGB from every hole. As of PSU you selected, it uses cheap capacitors.
So you want to compare a MID sized tower to a full sized one as your comparison. Seriously what a load of BS also Walmart in case you are seemingly unaware doesn't ship to Oz. And AGAIN you make an AMBIT claim of the H500 being barely better with ZERO evidence to back it up.
You then choose to add a strawman argument of 'cheap capacitors' to your line in BS Get your buddy Elon to bore you a deeper hole to get into.
What is it with this thread?
No, no, no... modern cases put the radiator at the TOP of the box, pulling from the case and exiting upward so the CPU doesn't heat anything up.