There is no reason to buy, or, even worse, to use this meter.
It is lying about its safety specs --> getting immediatly disqualified.
End of story.
IMO, any meter, not just the AN8008, with a built-in shunt you are prone to making a mistake with it. The 101 with an external shunt I would again say chances are slim to make that same mistake.
And if you could get a meter which cannot measure voltage either, it would be even safer!QuoteAs you mention the BM235 which is certified, so even if you do intentionally do some idiot move with the current inputs or just make a mistake, assuming you were not stupid enough to jump the fuse like some member's here, you should fair better than the AN8008 in the same case. That's a guess on my part and if it were me, I can tell you which meter between the two I would choose hands down! I would still say, the 101 without the current input would be a better setup.
I have a BM257s, which I use as my "universal" meter. And I certainly intend to continue using that for anything mains-related. But the AN8008 is a neat addition for tinkering and travel use. For these purposes, I like the all-in-one functionality and the low-current and low-voltage ranges, which actually go beyond the BM257's capabilities.
Yes, if you could remove the voltage input it would make the meter even safer. I've looked at a meter like this.
https://youtu.be/7DL4OIKTnGE?t=192
People make a lot of noise about false CAT-ratings. Why don't the same people make a lot of noise about what really matters when it comes to electrical safety?
Most countries around the world have a lot of legal regulations about education and long-time experience specifying what kind of work you are allowed to do on almost ANY kind of electrical equipment or wiring.
My humble guess is that only a very few of you are legally allowed to touch anything that will require a multimeter with a CAT-rating.
So, why don't you spend your time telling beginners to stay away from what they are not allowed to do instead of all the scaremongering?
Wrong CAT-ratings are among the least thing a beginner should worry about when it comes to safety.
More idiotic reasoning.
Beginners need to learn, and learning entails mistakes. A newbie should be able to buy a meter that has a CAT rating that matches its capabilities. A newbie is relying on his limited knowledge to select a meter that will help protect him against his mistakes.
Who needs standards of safety?
Would you feed your baby a jar of baby food that was labelled with false safety ratings?
Would you get into a car where the seat belts were only inspected by "Inspector #22" and had little gold stickers to prove their safety?
Would you go to a doctor who had the approval for his knowledge and care by someone on a forum?
Would you recommend that your child get in that "taxi" that only has a piece of paper taped to the window that says "Taxi"?
Would you, if you like to, do a bungie jump with someone who was parked at the side of the road in their old van on a bridge and was offering "Cheap Bungie Jumps Only $10"?
Would you tell newbies to buy whatever meter they want, marked with false safety markings or not, but stay away from things they don't know about?
Oh wait, you are saying that. You are telling people who don't know what is safe or not to ignore false safety ratings.......
So, why don't you spend your time telling beginners to stay away from what they are not allowed to do instead of all the scaremongering?
I won't bother replying to your rather emotional response. I will let it stand by itself.
Edit:
If anyone can show me where I call people names, or attack people personally instead of the ideas presented, I will apologize immediately.
I won't bother replying to your rather emotional response. I will let it stand by itself.
Edit:
If anyone can show me where I call people names, or attack people personally instead of the ideas presented, I will apologize immediately.
I won't bother replying to your rather emotional response. I will let it stand by itself.
Edit:
If anyone can show me where I call people names, or attack people personally instead of the ideas presented, I will apologize immediately.
Since you can't manage to read your own text, I will paste it here "More idiotic reasoning."
In the interests of keeping this thread open for further discussions. (I.e. not giving the moderators, reason to close this thread).
Can we agree to disagree or something ?
Peoples opinions of safety and stuff like that, do vary. But it is best if it does not lead to arguments.
In the interests of keeping this thread open for further discussions. (I.e. not giving the moderators, reason to close this thread).
Can we agree to disagree or something ?
Peoples opinions of safety and stuff like that, do vary. But it is best if it does not lead to arguments.
In the interests of keeping this thread open for further discussions. (I.e. not giving the moderators, reason to close this thread).
Can we agree to disagree or something ?
Peoples opinions of safety and stuff like that, do vary. But it is best if it does not lead to arguments.
I wish people would agree to disagree on simple things. When people asset that safety is not worth considering and the markings on a multimeter are not to be counted in the evaluation of a multimeter, then disagreement is necessary.
When people suggest that modifying a multimeter with the intent to improve its safety is a wise, logical, or good thing to do, and that suggestion this to newbies, this needs argument. I am here trying to educate and help those who don't know better. The others are trying to shut me down for trying to show people the caution they need to take, as in education. The opposing view is to throw care out the window and too bad if you ae too stupid to know better.
I will not back down on this. Disagreements have a place, Idiotic reasoning and advice to newbies to ignore safety is to be argued.
Can we all agree that this meter and many like this should be de-rated to Cat 0.111 at 30 volts ?
Same deal with the supplied leads... safe to assume they are not shop soiled Pomona seconds
There is no fuse in the Fluke 101. I doesn't measure current. For that you need the Fluke 106 that doesn't heave diode measurment. Only the Fluke 107 has them all. Of course it's the most expensive. The are trying to upsell you really hard here.
Regarding making shunts, is it as simple as getting a high wattage, high accuracy resistor?
Yes.
..There is genuine need for a voltage only meter in the electrical field. When you add current measurement you instantly make the meter more dangerous for the user and the equipment under test, as you can get the leads the wrong way around and short out your supply.
If I was an electrician I would deliberately buy a meter without current measurement.
People make a lot of noise about false CAT-ratings. Why don't the same people make a lot of noise about what really matters when it comes to electrical safety?
Most countries around the world have a lot of legal regulations about education and long-time experience specifying what kind of work you are allowed to do on almost ANY kind of electrical equipment or wiring.
My humble guess is that only a very few of you are legally allowed to touch anything that will require a multimeter with a CAT-rating.
Appreciate your input joe, all read! Big fan of your robustness testing videos.
Yet more suggestions for meters to test in the future: Chauvin Arnoux MTX 32xx or any of the clamshell style ones (another major European manufacturer akin to Gossen)
Of course when I go to the following and select the Technical document, I get 404Not Found. Giving me lots of confidence in them from the start.
One additional detail: a few months ago I bought an UT136 on the same premises (nice meter for the price) - I did one mistake and the ohms/diode/continuity ranges are gone.
There has been some discussion here about using an external current shunt to measure current where perhaps the meter cannot measure current directly (e.g. Fluke 101), and how this might relate to safety.