Regarding the video please excuse my rough delivery. Thanks for watching... http://youtu.be/K6CpDaksxh0
I admire you people for trying to educate this DaveWing guy, however he is so brainwashed by his own lack of knowledge that you yourselves are wasting precious energy. Another guy out of the same mould as ManOfStone.
They honestly believe they have discovered the EE version of the Ark of the Covenant, or the Elixir of Life.
They have seen the magician perform his illusion and honestly believe it to be true…
I cannot be bothered wasting my time with these twits.
Video was a good laugh though, thanks Dave.
I am off to read some more EE informative threads…
So what's the problem then. Why don't these dudes take it to its logical conclusion and power their house with it ? What is stopping them ? Why make a big who-ha about powering up a few leds or a motor that couldn't pull the skin off a custard ?
So what's the problem then. Why don't these dudes take it to its logical conclusion and power their house with it ? What is stopping them ? Why make a big who-ha about powering up a few leds or a motor that couldn't pull the skin off a custard ?Thats exactly what I was thinking. Why are they fooling around with stilly YouTube videos when they could be out making money powering their whole neighborhood at practically 100% profit.
If you do a total accounting of the energy present in the system at the start and the energy present in the system at the end, the energy at the end will be less than the energy at the start by the amount of energy lost to the environment.
And to do that you could discharge the batteries completely after the test and log the results to find out how much energy was left in them. And along with knowing how much energy was in the original batteries to begin with, and also the log of the load power over time, you'll get the result as IanB states.
For a ballpark measurement you could likely ignore the battery and charging losses.
DaveWing should do this before talking any more about this subject, it's just getting painful.
Hi Admin,
Sorry for the pain you receive on my account.
I tried to make a video as per your request.
In any event I hope that this video will help me to understand some of my misconceptions. So here it is please offer up any comments all are welcome to put in their two cents... As they have so done before.
Here is two diagrams one of a conventional system and the other is... After watching the video... Well you decide.
Regarding the video please excuse my rough delivery. Thanks for watching... http://youtu.be/K6CpDaksxh0
-Dave Wing
What you didn't show, but rather conveniently assumed, is what happens when you actually do put those caps in series and re-inject the circuit. Sure, you get 24V, but putting those three caps in series might give you 24V but the capacitance is now only 3,333uF.
You need two equations, one for the energy held in a capacitor given its capacitance and the voltage across its terminals, and one for calculating the capacitance of several caps in series.
Your setup loses 2/3rds of its energy mostly in the light bulb.
See here:
So what's the problem then. Why don't these dudes take it to its logical conclusion and power their house with it ? What is stopping them ? Why make a big who-ha about powering up a few leds or a motor that couldn't pull the skin off a custard ?Thats exactly what I was thinking. Why are they fooling around with stilly YouTube videos when they could be out making money powering their whole neighborhood at practically 100% profit.
Another thing I noticed is that the test works the same even if I just used a copper wire instead of the light bulb it was still around 9.35 volts in each cap.
4) If you are actually a super smart EE and just trolling because you knew you could get people do pages and pages of math and explanations to try to show you what's going on...... where and when would you like to accept your trophy for troll of the century?
You're reading a new Troll in our midst and a group of people who don't know better than to NOT feed a Troll.
Feeding trolls can be entertaining. Like feeding chimpanzees at the zoo...
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I am not an engineer so there are quite a few things that are out of my knowledge base. So forgive me for my short comings in that area.
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Dave Wing, I'm trying to understand your circuit.
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Has this thread taken an interesting turn towards the light?? It almost appears like you guys are making some progress.
I have a few questions for DaveWing......
Questions:
After having read people's explanations here, some of them very good, very detailed, and very to the point......
1) What unanswered questions do you still have? People have specifically addressed a lot of the things you brought up.
2) What parts of your circuit do you still think are working differently than what people have explained?
3a) What (if anything) would it take to convince you that your device doesn't work like you thought it did?
3b) Or can you admit that there is absolutely no evidence we could possibly present you here that would change your mind?
::EDIT:: to add question #4
4) If you are actually a super smart EE and just trolling because you knew you could get people do pages and pages of math and explanations to try to show you what's going on...... where and when would you like to accept your trophy for troll of the century?
3) That circuit still has me a little confused... As the light bulb has the same results as a copper wire does, they both fill the capacitors to 9.3volts respectively. Why is there not more of a loss with a resistive light bulb than a 13awg copper wire you would use in house wiring? That one I do not understand. I will do the tests though to find out. If anyone can answer this please let me know.
It's like if you had a tank containing 1000 gallons of water 100 ft up a hill, ...
IF you were a Troll and wanted to bait people into responding, what is the most effective way to do that?
A. Give them an opportunity to tell you why/how you are wrong.
Just look at the posts and see how the early ones got people hooked by the "free-energy" worm. Then came the denials of free-energy followed by a sequence of questions to reel people in. Then you go on stringing them along.
If you want to put it more crudely. Add shit and stir.
I am not an engineer so there are quite a few things that are out of my knowledge base. So forgive me for my short comings in that area.
Ok to clear some things up which may not make much of a difference in the calculations I was using 35volt 15000 uf caps in the test.
I also tried putting the load and the switch across the negative side and the voltage on each cap is now on average 9.35volts... That changes things a little... But not much.
Another thing I noticed is that the test works the same even if I just used a copper wire instead of the light bulb it was still around 9.35 volts in each cap.
-Dave Wing
That wondered me too, he has two Keithley 199 benchmeters. Not something people with almost no electronics knowledge would buy.
I have seen more discussions about this. You can explain until the end of times but their problem is a lack of knowledge about electronic fundamentals.
You don't need to be an engineer, all you need is the maths you were taught by the time you were about 13 or 14...
3) That circuit still has me a little confused... As the light bulb has the same results as a copper wire does, they both fill the capacitors to 9.3volts respectively. Why is there not more of a loss with a resistive light bulb than a 13awg copper wire you would use in house wiring? That one I do not understand. I will do the tests though to find out. If anyone can answer this please let me know.
It's like if you had a tank containing 1000 gallons of water 100 ft up a hill, and an empty tank at the bottom. The water at the top of the hill has 100 ft of head you could use to do something useful like drive a turbine or turn a water wheel. If you did this, if you piped the water down the hill and drove a turbine, you would have got some useful work out of the water. When you finished you would still have exactly 1000 gallons of water at the bottom of the hill. None of it would be lost, only it would no longer be able to drive the turbine. Your turbine in this example is the load, like the bulb.
Now suppose if instead of running a turbine, you just used a big fat pipe to let the water flow down to the bottom of the hill. Your big fat pipe is like your copper wire. When you are finished you would still have exactly 1000 gallons of water at the bottom of the hill. Not a drop of water different than if it went through the turbine on the way. And you would have given up exactly the same amount of energy: 100 ft of head times 1000 gallons gone to waste.
You can run this experiment any which way, do anything with the water on its journey, but you will always get 1000 gallons in your tank at the bottom of the hill when you are finished (assuming no leaks, of course). Thus it is with the capacitors. You are always going to get 9.3 volts.
How is that possible under conventional engineering laws?
Thank you for the reply...What I was getting at is a light bulb gives off heat and light yet in this circuit there is no difference in the total finishing voltage in all capacitors in the system between a 13 awg wire and the light bulb. How is that possible under conventional engineering laws? People say a light bulb uses energy yet it appears not to in this circuit.