Thunderf00t has lost last of his marbles and remaining bits of credibility

[EEVblog]

Your mind reading skills suck.
I'm famous for publicly taking to task FSD, Starship, Hyperloop, Mars colony, and other stuff.

I don't claim to read minds; I'm not a charlatan. I missed the FSD, Starship, and Mars Colony debunking, I'd appreciate the links. I am prepared to do my research.

Start from espisode #1 14 years ago and work your way up.
https://theamphour.com/

Start from my first tweet 14 years ago and work your way up.
https://x.com/eevblog

Not to mention my live shows, particually on Starship launches.

The problem with Elon Derangmeent Syndrome is that no matter how many times I'd dissed Musk, or Tesla, or Starship, or Hyperloop etc, if you say just ONE neutral, or heaven forbid, something contrustively positive then you become Persona non grata and are instantly granted the moniker of Elon worshiper. Or simply "I'm so disappointed in you" 

[AVGresponding]

Your mind reading skills suck.
I'm famous for publicly taking to task FSD, Starship, Hyperloop, Mars colony, and other stuff.

I don't claim to read minds; I'm not a charlatan. I missed the FSD, Starship, and Mars Colony debunking, I'd appreciate the links. I am prepared to do my research.

Start from espisode #1 14 years ago and work your way up.
https://theamphour.com/

Start from my first tweet 14 years ago and work your way up.
https://x.com/eevblog

Not to mention my live shows, particually on Starship launches.

I don't listen to podcasts, and I have never used twitter/X, I came to EEVBlog through watching your YouTube videos. I would guess the podcast audience is smaller than YT vids, but that's info you have access to, not me.
I don't watch live streams, from you or anyone else; I generally find them boring. This is not a criticism of you, but of the format.

The problem with Elon Derangmeent Syndrome is that no matter how many times I'd dissed Musk, or Tesla, or Starship, or Hyperloop etc, if you say just ONE neutral, or heaven forbid, something contrustively positive then you become Persona non grata and are instantly granted the moniker of Elon worshiper. Or simply "I'm so disappointed in you" 

I have a problem with using the label of "Elon Derangement Syndrome" for anyone that has any criticism of Musk. It is an attempt to bypass reasoned argument. Do you have EDS because you debunked Hyperloop? Of course not.

For absolute clarity of context, I am NOT accusing you of being a Musk "fanboi", my disappointment is due to the facts and figures that lead to the debunking of Hyperloop are no more or less clear then those that show what nonsense FSD, the Mars Starship "program", Solar Rooftops, or any number of other high profile Musk projects are, and yet somehow these are ok, either by implication or direct statement, as they are "aspirations". Was Hyperloop not also an "aspiration" then?

I would grant you that many of these "aspirations" are good ones, but the point remains, are they in any way realistic?
The facts and figures indicate not, and that being the case, and the fact that Musk has made his fortune (primarily) on the over-inflated share price of Tesla (pumped up by said unrealistic promises/aspirations), and has pissed away several billion dollars of US taxpayers money on a program that has singularly failed to achieve any of its milestones, in a timeframe longer than the sodding Apollo program had, I fail to see how any conclusion can be drawn other than that he's a fantasist at best, a con man at worst, and that defending his position does no-one any credit.

[EEVblog]

I don't listen to podcasts, and I have never used twitter/X, I came to EEVBlog through watching your YouTube videos. I would guess the podcast audience is smaller than YT vids, but that's info you have access to, not me.
I don't watch live streams, from you or anyone else; I generally find them boring. This is not a criticism of you, but of the format.

I didn't expect you to, but you asked. My opinions on this topic have been spread out over a decade in countless podcasts, tweets and videos. So unless oyu have listen to them read them or watched them, you wouldn't know. So I am now telling you that I have publicly critical of many things Elon related, that's all you need to know.

The problem with Elon Derangmeent Syndrome is that no matter how many times I'd dissed Musk, or Tesla, or Starship, or Hyperloop etc, if you say just ONE neutral, or heaven forbid, something contrustively positive then you become Persona non grata and are instantly granted the moniker of Elon worshiper. Or simply "I'm so disappointed in you" 

I have a problem with using the label of "Elon Derangement Syndrome" for anyone that has any criticism of Musk. It is an attempt to bypass reasoned argument. Do you have EDS because you debunked Hyperloop? Of course not.

I am speaking as a general comment, not in relation to you. But in my experience, as someone who has been very criticla of Elon related things countless times, I can assure you that people with EDS see just one of my comments that are neutral or positive and they do in fact go crazy and call me everything under sun. With people who have EDS, there is no nuanced take allowed. TDS works the same way.

For absolute clarity of context, I am NOT accusing you of being a Musk "fanboi", my disappointment is due to the facts and figures that lead to the debunking of Hyperloop are no more or less clear then those that show what nonsense FSD, the Mars Starship "program", Solar Rooftops, or any number of other high profile Musk projects are, and yet somehow these are ok, either by implication or direct statement, as they are "aspirations". Was Hyperloop not also an "aspiration" then?

What? 
I literally just told you that I have been CRITICAL of all those things, publicly so. Did you not understand what the phrase "taking to task" means?

[AVGresponding]

For absolute clarity of context, I am NOT accusing you of being a Musk "fanboi", my disappointment is due to the facts and figures that lead to the debunking of Hyperloop are no more or less clear then those that show what nonsense FSD, the Mars Starship "program", Solar Rooftops, or any number of other high profile Musk projects are, and yet somehow these are ok, either by implication or direct statement, as they are "aspirations". Was Hyperloop not also an "aspiration" then?

What? 
I literally just told you that I have been CRITICAL of all those things, publicly so. Did you not understand what the phrase "taking to task" means?

My point with this being, the podcasts etc aren't "public" in the same way as YT vids. I suppose I am equating it to newspapers publishing "public" apologies/retractions, buried near the back, when the original story was front page news. Maybe I'll get around to listening to some podcasts at some point.

In the absence of yourself making vids on the issues with FSD, Mars Starship et al, thunderfoot is the only remotely technically based analysis (once you cut through the hyperbole and repetition) that I know of. The only other stuff out there is obvious fanboi material and a few scant financial based critiques, which interest me less.

[EEVblog]

For absolute clarity of context, I am NOT accusing you of being a Musk "fanboi", my disappointment is due to the facts and figures that lead to the debunking of Hyperloop are no more or less clear then those that show what nonsense FSD, the Mars Starship "program", Solar Rooftops, or any number of other high profile Musk projects are, and yet somehow these are ok, either by implication or direct statement, as they are "aspirations". Was Hyperloop not also an "aspiration" then?

What? 
I literally just told you that I have been CRITICAL of all those things, publicly so. Did you not understand what the phrase "taking to task" means?

My point with this being, the podcasts etc aren't "public" in the same way as YT vids. I suppose I am equating it to newspapers publishing "public" apologies/retractions, buried near the back, when the original story was front page news.

So?
You critised me for not speaking up against these things, when I have. You were simply wrong.
Just because I haven't done dedicated debunking videos on some of them doesn't change that fact.

I've done a video on solar rooftops:


Also a video on Tesla panels catching on fire:


Also a quick mention of Tesla autopilot failure:


Also making fun of the Tesla diesal train at their factory:


Also Tesla battery catching on fire:


Alos calling out some Tesla battery day marketing hype:



Have I done enough anti-Elon content for you yet? Or do you only like the hard core bashing?
And I was attacked by Musk fans for doing these videos.

[vk6zgo]

For absolute clarity of context, I am NOT accusing you of being a Musk "fanboi", my disappointment is due to the facts and figures that lead to the debunking of Hyperloop are no more or less clear then those that show what nonsense FSD, the Mars Starship "program", Solar Rooftops, or any number of other high profile Musk projects are, and yet somehow these are ok, either by implication or direct statement, as they are "aspirations". Was Hyperloop not also an "aspiration" then?

What? 
I literally just told you that I have been CRITICAL of all those things, publicly so. Did you not understand what the phrase "taking to task" means?

My point with this being, the podcasts etc aren't "public" in the same way as YT vids. I suppose I am equating it to newspapers publishing "public" apologies/retractions, buried near the back, when the original story was front page news. Maybe I'll get around to listening to some podcasts at some point.

In the absence of yourself making vids on the issues with FSD, Mars Starship et al, thunderfoot is the only remotely technically based analysis (once you cut through the hyperbole and repetition) that I know of. The only other stuff out there is obvious fanboi material and a few scant financial based critiques, which interest me less.

Try "Commonsense Skeptic".

[jnk0le]

And I was attacked by Musk fans for doing these videos.

That's a one factor in radicalization, into the musk derangement syndrome.

BTW

Are there any calculations done (by TF, or anyone else), whether Elon's dildo would fit into that cave hole?
I see that TF does a lot of mocking of this "invention", but no hard numbers.

[AVGresponding]

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Have I done enough anti-Elon content for you yet? Or do you only like the hard core bashing?
And I was attacked by Musk fans for doing these videos.

Thanks, I've added a couple of those to my watchlist. Once again though, I'm not interested in Musk bashing; I want facts, and I'll make up my own mind from those.

Try "Commonsense Skeptic".

I have done, in the past, but found his technical knowledge to be a bit lacking. Maybe I'll look again.

And I was attacked by Musk fans for doing these videos.

That's a one factor in radicalization, into the musk derangement syndrome.

BTW

Are there any calculations done (by TF, or anyone else), whether Elon's dildo would fit into that cave hole?
I see that TF does a lot of mocking of this "invention", but no hard numbers.

Thunderfoot gives plenty of hard numbers, but his tendency to use approximations to make the maths understandable, probably works against him sometimes, as it allows the "fanbois" an attack vector.

[Refrigerator]

I don't claim to read minds; I'm not a charlatan. I missed the FSD, Starship, and Mars Colony debunking, I'd appreciate the links. I am prepared to do my research.

Youtube has a search bar on the channel page, where you can search for videos. Google can do the same to find posts from social media.
Any flavor of free AI chat bot can dig up links if you want something quick.

edit: I say this as a way to point out that you have the entire internet at your fingertips and an endless number of tools to browse through the endless amount of information

[PlainName]

I don't claim to read minds; I'm not a charlatan. I missed the FSD, Starship, and Mars Colony debunking, I'd appreciate the links. I am prepared to do my research.

Youtube has a search bar on the channel page, where you can search for videos. Google can do the same to find posts from social media.
Any flavor of free AI chat bot can dig up links if you want something quick.

edit: I say this as a way to point out that you have the entire internet at your fingertips and an endless number of tools to browse through the endless amount of information

Easy to say!

I just did a Youtube search for "Dave Jones Starship" and none of the first 60 videos was the one we're looking for.

OK, so I did a Google search using the same term and the very first hit is Dave doing a live stream on twitter (sorry, X) of the launch. Other than that, nothing in the first three pages.

You say it is easy to find whatever info you require, but there are two big issues that you completely ignore:

1. Knowing what to search for (that is, the right search term)

2. Knowing (or at least hoping) there is something to be found.

Oh, and not forgetting:

3. AI will lie through it's teeth so long as the output is convincing.

[Refrigerator]

I don't claim to read minds; I'm not a charlatan. I missed the FSD, Starship, and Mars Colony debunking, I'd appreciate the links. I am prepared to do my research.

Youtube has a search bar on the channel page, where you can search for videos. Google can do the same to find posts from social media.
Any flavor of free AI chat bot can dig up links if you want something quick.

edit: I say this as a way to point out that you have the entire internet at your fingertips and an endless number of tools to browse through the endless amount of information

Easy to say!

I just did a Youtube search for "Dave Jones Starship" and none of the first 60 videos was the one we're looking for.

OK, so I did a Google search using the same term and the very first hit is Dave doing a live stream on twitter (sorry, X) of the launch. Other than that, nothing in the first three pages.

You say it is easy to find whatever info you require, but there are two big issues that you completely ignore:

1. Knowing what to search for (that is, the right search term)

2. Knowing (or at least hoping) there is something to be found.

Oh, and not forgetting:

3. AI will lie through it's teeth so long as the output is convincing.

3: unless AI can now somehow alter webpages that it references to, then you can simply ignore the garbage text it spits out and use the references. But whatever you do, don't forget to thank the AI.

1: our guy knew the terms to search for, because Dave pointed them out, yet would rather inconvenience another person by asking them to find the source, rather than inconveniencing themselves by doing their own research.

2: Dave seems like a credible enough source. Or in the offchance that he lied you can tell a certain Youtuber to break his hyperfixation streak on an autistic billionaire by BUSTING Dave.

[EEVblog]

Thunderfoot gives plenty of hard numbers, but his tendency to use approximations to make the maths understandable, probably works against him sometimes, as it allows the "fanbois" an attack vector.

That's because debunking is usually a process of approximations, and often having an educated guess within one order is enough to be directionally correct in whether something is practically viable or not.
And if he does have exact numbers, rounding them often just makes it easier to understand, I do this myself in my debunking video.

[EEVblog]

I don't claim to read minds; I'm not a charlatan. I missed the FSD, Starship, and Mars Colony debunking, I'd appreciate the links. I am prepared to do my research.

Youtube has a search bar on the channel page, where you can search for videos. Google can do the same to find posts from social media.
Any flavor of free AI chat bot can dig up links if you want something quick.

edit: I say this as a way to point out that you have the entire internet at your fingertips and an endless number of tools to browse through the endless amount of information

Easy to say!

I just did a Youtube search for "Dave Jones Starship" and none of the first 60 videos was the one we're looking for.

My channel is EEVblog, so searching for "EEVblog Starship" gives the top 6 results all being mine.
Searching for Dave Jones of course won't give the best results, as I don't have my name in my channel, or the title or description or keywords.

[bouncingboffin]

Thunderf00t is trying his best to make everyone aware of the difference between what Elon Musk says and what he does. I look at him as an EV version of Apple's Steve Jobs. Jobs made lots of promises that were failures, had a management style that rubbed several people up the wrong way. They both have (or had) several very good engineers working with them to make sure the tirades turned into tangible products. Removing Electric Jesus from Tesla will probably pop its balloooooooooon stock valuation in seconds.

As for DOGE, it is all about protecting Musk's interests, that is all.

Thunderf00t's channel is also attempting to teach viewers basic arithmetic, logic and reasoning. However, the number of people caught up in pump-and-dump memecoins makes me laugh, but also shocked, at the poor level of financial education in the US.

I drive a Swastikar and I am pleased with it as an EV - it's plenty quick enough, quiet, comfortable, good range and costs me next to nothing to charge at home overnight.

However, the "autopilot"/FSD is bollocks, I had the "hell no!" moment when driving on a busy "A" road where the left side line disappeared and a bit later the middle line markings disappeared (road resurfacing works) and damn did the car just steer itself into oncoming traffic - this is why you've got to keep your hands on the wheel and pay attention!  I never used FSD again, it's like tutoring a teenager learning to drive.

Even when FSD is switched off there are other "driver aids" that make me say "f**k off Felon Husk" when the steering wheel is grabbed out of my hands for "corrective input" from the onboard computer because of some anomaly in the perception of the camera with the road. The cruise control is hilariously bad, coming up behind a slow vehicle, I indicate and pull out, I am now about to pass the vehicle and suddenly the car slows down and stays level with the rear quarter of the vehicle I am trying to overtake, almost like it is thinking of doing a PIT... foot in the carpet again...

Don't get me started on the AWD traction and stability - drive over a wet cattle grid/grille/grate on a corner and just put in the gentlest of throttle and the damn car wants to spin around. On my old BMW, that would need pedal to the metal and opposite lock to overcome the traction and stability programmes (not cheating by turning them off, a stupid thing to do in the wet)

It is not a vehicle for an enthusiastic driver, for example, the computer decides that when I switch from accelerator to brake quickly whilst coming into a roundabout and I see where I am going to fit in etc. then it decides to come to a complete ABS dead stop - all in the name of "collision prevention" - I am just hoping the driver behind swerves out of the way in time. It senses the abrupt switch from accelerator to brake, then decides with the vehicles around and not knowing where those will be in the future, that it is responding to an emergency braking scenario...

A "robo taxi" isn't going to happen when FSD is decades away from not randomly wanting to kill someone/you/itself.

I am tired of seeing videos rehashing Musk's failures, but perhaps it is because I am not a TikTok user and do remember what happened last decade, last year, last month et.c... 

[EEVblog]

I am tired of seeing videos rehashing Musk's failures, but perhaps it is because I am not a TikTok user and do remember what happened last decade, last year, last month et.c... 

TF's style is to re-hash everything in every video, even if the last video covered. As a creator I understand why he does this, it's because usually half or more of a channels views come from people who are not subscribed, so there is likely a good lot of people who haven't watched your previous videos so it's useful to include everything again.
Of course this is annoying for subscribers who have watched the previous videos, which is why I don't do this, I just usually say "I covered this in detail in the previous video, link below"

[m98]

Were you using Autopilot or FSD?

[PlainName]

Easy to say!

I just did a Youtube search for "Dave Jones Starship" and none of the first 60 videos was the one we're looking for.

My channel is EEVblog, so searching for "EEVblog Starship" gives the top 6 results all being mine.
Searching for Dave Jones of course won't give the best results, as I don't have my name in my channel, or the title or description or keywords.

Bearing in mind I was simply demonstrating that doing a successful search may not be as simple as made out, the results of your demo search using the 'correct' term still only showed your live commentary of the launches, so wasn't any more successful than mine!

Er.. unless those are actually the ones you say you've been derogatory to Musk about. Haven't watched, but I'd think that commenting on the landing-by-grabbing as it actually succeeds, it's pretty hard to do a convincing diss video about it

[EEVblog]

Bearing in mind I was simply demonstrating that doing a successful search may not be as simple as made out, the results of your demo search using the 'correct' term still only showed your live commentary of the launches, so wasn't any more successful than mine!

It shows that I have covered Starship.
And if you search for "EEVblog Tesla" you get the other videos I mentioned.
Sorry, but I don't owe you polished edited videos of my thoughts on every aspect of Musk you desire.

[PlainName]

I don't owe you polished edited videos of my thoughts on every aspect of Musk you desire

I fear you've skipped a few posts in this thread. It is not I that was desiring of your thoughts about Musk or whatever he is up to: I was refuting the suggestion from Refrigerator that info (and specifically your videos, etc. info) now is easy to come by because of AI/Google/Youtube etc.

Purely as an example that it is not, I used AVGResponding's post where he notes "I missed the FSD, Starship, and Mars Colony debunking" (my emphasis). It is AVGResponding to whom you should direct you flip-off comment (although I think you already have previously) rather than me.

[vk6zgo]

I am tired of seeing videos rehashing Musk's failures, but perhaps it is because I am not a TikTok user and do remember what happened last decade, last year, last month et.c... 

TF's style is to re-hash everything in every video, even if the last video covered. As a creator I understand why he does this, it's because usually half or more of a channels views come from people who are not subscribed, so there is likely a good lot of people who haven't watched your previous videos so it's useful to include everything again.
Of course this is annoying for subscribers who have watched the previous videos, which is why I don't do this, I just usually say "I covered this in detail in the previous video, link below"

The rehashing seems to be common in "Starship World".
After they had mishaps with Starships 7 & 8, I, in common with many others, wanted to find when the next launch (Starship 9) would be.

Googling, I found a number of videos which purport to present the "latest updates on Starship 9", but watching them mainly brings up a "puff piece" about Space X, relating their history & achievements, well prior to the present day, & if there is any reference to the launch date for 9, it takes up about 5 seconds of vague dribbling, then off to something else.

All in all it is the same stuff as they included in the videos prior to 7 & 8

Some add in a few long shots of Starships looking "awesome", & boosters being shuttled about, but that is basically filler.
Regardless of my opinion of Elon, it would be nice if they could get one of the things to reach orbit without going "whoompf!", but I'm not holding my breath!

[coppercone2]

this is somewhat related to the early discussion of puffery/CEO statements

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/burger-king-must-face-lawsuit-142556757.html

There is a limit

[EEVblog]

The rehashing seems to be common in "Starship World".
After they had mishaps with Starships 7 & 8, I, in common with many others, wanted to find when the next launch (Starship 9) would be.

Googling, I found a number of videos which purport to present the "latest updates on Starship 9", but watching them mainly brings up a "puff piece" about Space X, relating their history & achievements, well prior to the present day, & if there is any reference to the launch date for 9, it takes up about 5 seconds of vague dribbling, then off to something else.

Probably one of the countless AI generated SpaceX channels. It's just click farming. Musk/SpaceX/Tesla is probably the #1 target for AI generated content.

[Psi]

Whenever I read the title of this thread about thunderf00t 'losing his marbles', it always makes me think of this scene

[jnk0le]

Relationships between the richest afroamerican and most hated person of color, got a little bit tense recently.

so here we go: 
https://youtu.be/BkUeDlDxMhU?si=7W74GHcw3mVxqbQf


tl;dw

[Ice-Tea]

Some add in a few long shots of Starships looking "awesome", & boosters being shuttled about, but that is basically filler.

Marcus House? He is a bit overly stoked, eh? I stick to Scott Manley these days ;-)