Thunderf00t has lost last of his marbles and remaining bits of credibility

[Andy Chee]

Personally, I think sieg heiling in public and still being cheered by Netanyahu and ADL is cooler than anything thunderf00t could ever achieve. He's just jelly.

It's not even remotely close to how actual Nazi salute gesture looks like though. One must be either deranged, dishonest, have a single brain cell, or all combined to seriously claim or believe that. Video for reference:

The precise biomechanics of the gesture is irrelevant.  The symbolism of what the gesture (or crude imitation thereof) represents is what matters. 

Of course, symbolism is in the eye of the beholder and cannot be quantified as precisely as, say, a ±5% tolerance resistor.

It's about as Nazi salute as you'd be ok with using -90% +500% resistors 

Do you know what the idiom, “eye of the beholder” means?

[jnk0le]

Elon is simply asserting his dominance, by doing the artist's salute and not getting punished in the name of those, whose name cannot be spoken.

Doesn't matter that a lot of the left politicians were doing the same, 白左 are quite good at doublethinking.


EDIT: https://streamable.com/p81u59?src=player-page-share (gif doesn't work, no support for avif )

[John B]

This is simply another day of the week where disingenuous actors assert that everyone must pander to their extreme, uncharitable interpretation of something. It's about controlling the framing.

I don't know why any person can't spot this. This strategy has worn very thin.

[rx8pilot]

I don't know who is more deranged at this moment: Musk or Thunderf00t. They could be asylum buddies in the near future.

Regardless of who wins the derangement contest....only one of them is dangerous to society.

[Zero999]

I don't know who is more deranged at this moment: Musk or Thunderf00t. They could be asylum buddies in the near future.

Regardless of who wins the derangement contest....only one of them is dangerous to society.

I wouldn't say that about either of them.

[SiliconWizard]

This is yet another distraction.

[Psi]

There's multiple other instances people have found where politicians and other people did that same hand on heart and extended arm gesture on TV and no on cared or called them a Nazi.
So that's really all the info you need to know this is all BS.

It's just an excuse to flair up existing Elon hate.

[AVGresponding]

It's increasingly hilarious watching the Musk fanbois having to find ever more ridiculous excuses to explain away the shameful behaviour of their hero.

None of you will ever be his friend, or receive lavishly paid job offers from him; he doesn't know you exist, and wouldn't care even if he did. You are nothing to him, just like the rest of humanity. Suck it up.

[tszaboo]

It might not be something if it was taken in isolation. But:

• He is a union buster.
• Supporting the neo-nazi party in Germany
• Right hand upwards
• Supporting that orange disaster

And so on. Anyone awake, decent, competent, and aware of history should, even at the peril of own financial gains, stay the fuck away from him and his money-grabbing schemes.

Oh you know, you totally convinced me. I see it now.
I can totally see why an average redditor would think he is a naci.
I mean look at him. He was holding his hand the wrong way for a fraction of the second. Or he would support someone like the majority of the US voters.

[coppice]

It might not be something if it was taken in isolation. But:

• He is a union buster.
• Supporting the neo-nazi party in Germany
• Right hand upwards
• Supporting that orange disaster

And so on. Anyone awake, decent, competent, and aware of history should, even at the peril of own financial gains, stay the fuck away from him and his money-grabbing schemes.

Oh you know, you totally convinced me. I see it now.
I can totally see why an average redditor would think he is a naci.
I mean look at him. He was holding his hand the wrong way for a fraction of the second. Or he would support someone like the majority of the US voters.

Come on. Only a Nazi would spend $44B to support free speech.

Isn't it amazing how a large cohort see words and gestures as very very important, but couldn't give a damn about actions.

[PlainName]

Only a Nazi would spend $44B to support free speech.

He didn't.

And he doesn't.

[MadTux]

Elon is master in more or less subtle IRL trolling.
And he's still angry after 3years of Corona bullshit.

Thunderfoot is the slightly retarded/autistic leftist idiot which is triggered extremely easily by Elon and friends.
Probably Elon watches his crap on YT from time to time to laugh his arse off

[coppercone2]

I think this happened around 100 years ago, where some american industrialists (more wealthy and influential then elon*) had some kind of alure for nazi and slightly pre-nazi things

Maybe its just that sort of rhetoric those sorts of ideals have synergy with mass manufacturing , respect for 'capital equipment' (elon I believe thinks that big machines are the way forward for making manufacturing low, i.e. giant die casters) and legal 'respect' for things and people that provide 'factory jobs'. Like its kind of the only system where people don't hate factory owners. You either nationalize, hate them, or have a riech, which criticizes such Bolshevism, one side just takes it away, the other side takes it away when they get waist deep in shit (war). I think its just better to be disliked and criticized no?

It seems that only the extreme left and right have that 'love' of industry. But one robs you in war and the other one robs you and you get a statue (if you don't fight back)

*having a glitch car appear on the high way every once in a while is nothing compared to mechanizing towns that did not even have electricity in the early 1900's


I don't know why they wanna get so chummy with the politicians. Then when there is a problem they are the one they go to because they think you might resist their little... request... slightly less. Then its on you to make a politician look good if there is a war. There is a war on, he won't ask us for MSRP! its almost like being soft nationalized! what is elon doing with his risk exposure LOL

I think he thinks hes going to out string master guitar plucker trump. This is like wondering if your reflexes are faster then a leopard and deciding to play a hand slap game to find out

[Zero999]

Erh, normal people have a mental filter that prevent them from making gestures like that. I'm inclined to believe he didn't mean it as a Nazi salute but the absence of such a filter is bad enough on its own...

Well, given Elon's support for the German neo-nazi party AfD his salute is likely intended as a nazi salute. Just a clumsy or a deliberately somewhat skewed one. If it walks & talks like a duck, it is a duck.

The AfD a neo-Nazi party? Why do you think that? Have you read their manifesto or have you arrived at that conclusion based on the propaganda from the mainstream media?

[coppice]

Erh, normal people have a mental filter that prevent them from making gestures like that. I'm inclined to believe he didn't mean it as a Nazi salute but the absence of such a filter is bad enough on its own...

Well, given Elon's support for the German neo-nazi party AfD his salute is likely intended as a nazi salute. Just a clumsy or a deliberately somewhat skewed one. If it walks & talks like a duck, it is a duck.

The AfD a neo-Nazi party? Why do you think that? Have you read their manifesto or have you arrived at that conclusion based on the propaganda from the mainstream media?

We seem to be seeing quite a lot of attempts to ban parties who are not engaged in violence, intimidation, or other unacceptable behaviour. In the case of the AfD the attempts seem to be based on a narrow interpretation of a cause in the German constitution. Why don't these attackers feel safe to face the other party at the ballot box. Lawfare is a disgusting tactic.

[wilfred]

There's multiple other instances people have found where politicians and other people did that same hand on heart and extended arm gesture on TV and no on cared or called them a Nazi.
So that's really all the info you need to know this is all BS.

It's just an excuse to flair up existing Elon hate.

This would be a good time to supply actual links to the instances you cite' I'm not going to just believe you without supporting evidence. I think there is a thing on the internet where people making unsupported  claims ask you to "do your own research". It helps your cause if you make it easier for them to do just that. If they easily find the original sources then they may accept your point otherwise if they don't, or don't try, they won't.

I think Elon was very intentionally making a Nazi salute but doing it in a deliberately ambiguous way. I do not think he would be careless in doing something he would certainly know was going to be provocative. He knows full well DJT is watching and he would be mindful that grabbing a tiger by the tail is dangerous and even millions of campaign donation dollars won't save him if the tiger felt threatened. Or upstaged. Elon is on a very short leash.

And I'm not one that hates Elon. I don't hate trump. I think they are in it for whatever they can get for themselves. I seek to understand them not flair (sic) up anything.

[EEVblog]

There's multiple other instances people have found where politicians and other people did that same hand on heart and extended arm gesture on TV and no on cared or called them a Nazi.
So that's really all the info you need to know this is all BS.

It's just an excuse to flair up existing Elon hate.

This would be a good time to supply actual links to the instances you cite'

No, this would be the time to stop discussing this off-topic tangent. Hint.

[wilfred]

No, this would be the time to stop discussing this off-topic tangent. Hint.

Whilst I agree with you, I think you'd be serving the forum better if you picked a more timely opportunity to intervene. This thread had been discussing Elon Musk in various capacities for over a month. In that time the title remains unchanged but the thread, as they all do, has drifted. But if you go back to the original post I don't think it has drifted all that much.


"Many members still watch Thunderf00t and even respect him as reasonable sceptic, but it seems he has lost last of his marbles after suffering chronic Musk derangement syndrome for years. If you didn't know, Starlink is satellite internet owned by Musk's SpaceX, somehow it must have stolen US election  . He posted unhinged political videos and many posts on X lately, but this batshit crazy level cringe tops it all:"

[EEVblog]

No, this would be the time to stop discussing this off-topic tangent. Hint.

Whilst I agree with you, I think you'd be serving the forum better if you picked a more timely opportunity to intervene.

I don't read this thread every day.
I'll make it clear, stop with the nazi stuff, now.
If you want to contiunue to discuss Thunderf00t then do so.
I removed John B's post.

[Siwastaja]

I removed John B's post.

Consider removing the Kremlin pro-denazification bot "mansaxel"s troll post (#433), too. That's one triggering further non-related AfD discussion. After that, maybe remove my post as well (this one). And many others. But it is most efficient to remove the original troll posts, instead of just responses to them, because when the original trolls remain, other people either miss your requests of keeping in subject (by accident, clicking reply before reading your latest post), or can't resist replying.

[EEVblog]

Another nazi post (by Pope) removed.

[EEVblog]

Consider removing the Kremlin pro-denazification bot "mansaxel"s troll post (#433), too. That's one triggering further non-related AfD discussion.

Ok, done, but I'm not going through the rest of the thread. Hopefully people get the hint, no more nazi talk please, even if "Thunderf00t started it".

[jnk0le]

This would be a good time to supply actual links to the instances you cite

Macron "giving his heart" just like Musk and the artist: https://streamable.com/t/pekmj9

The AfD a neo-Nazi party?

Try to consider this in the scope of psychological warfare named "ideological subversion" by Yuri Bezmenov.

Afd, Orban, Le Pen, konfa (aka конфедерация), Fico, Orange man etc. have two things in common:
- oppose all of that ideological subversion madness
- are blatant putler's "shit-eaters"

They are just offered as a false alternative (or double false alternative if election system allows more that 2 parties).
After doing their "job", they will be disposed of, just like the leftists. (https://youtu.be/-WGlEiHLHIk?si=k5TS5gEMVCPd27c_&t=3480)

The Afd is not going to continue the artist's legacy, they are just dogwhistling helpless people who are facing the most advanced psychological warfare ever deployed (e.g. inversion of proxy narcissm towards the imported criminals etc.)
After that, there is a psychological mechanism that make people "inherit" the beliefs of their leaders. (used as well in doublethinking)
That's how you make half of the country an open "shit-eaters" who vote for the pro russian politicians.


Back to topic:

And he's still angry after 3years of Corona bullshit.

During that madness/psyop thunderf00t did some videos debunking the "wearing muzzles will deprave you from oxygen" content made by some politicians.
It was all deleted, not because of DMCA lawfare, but because he was "spreading disinformation". (videos being debunked, of course remained)

There could be more of deletions/demonetizations like this and he was left only with Musk derangement that could be monetized. (and he had a lot of missed deadlines for Musk promises, or straight BS like straship starting platform <500m from NY shore)

[Zero999]

This would be a good time to supply actual links to the instances you cite

Macron "giving his heart" just like Musk and the artist: https://streamable.com/t/pekmj9

The AfD a neo-Nazi party?

Try to consider this in the scope of psychological warfare named "ideological subversion" by Yuri Bezmenov.

Afd, Orban, Le Pen, konfa (aka конфедерация), Fico, Orange man etc. have two things in common:
- oppose all of that ideological subversion madness
- are blatant putler's "shit-eaters"

They are just offered as a false alternative (or double false alternative if election system allows more that 2 parties).
After doing their "job", they will be disposed of, just like the leftists. (https://youtu.be/-WGlEiHLHIk?si=k5TS5gEMVCPd27c_&t=3480)

The Afd is not going to continue the artist's legacy, they are just dogwhistling helpless people who are facing the most advanced psychological warfare ever deployed (e.g. inversion of proxy narcissm towards the imported criminals etc.)
After that, there is a psychological mechanism that make people "inherit" the beliefs of their leaders. (used as well in doublethinking)
That's how you make half of the country an open "shit-eaters" who vote for the pro russian politicians.

I don't know what your point is. I could make a similar argument about the US Democratic Party.

[AVGresponding]

Consider removing the Kremlin pro-denazification bot "mansaxel"s troll post (#433), too. That's one triggering further non-related AfD discussion.

Ok, done, but I'm not going through the rest of the thread. Hopefully people get the hint, no more nazi talk please, even if "Thunderf00t started it".

mansaxel is not a bot, nor a Kremlin stooge. This is disgraceful behaviour, and slander. The post in question is only offensive to those who espouse right-wing propaganda, and has more basis in fact than 90% of the pro-Musk bullshit that is contaminating this thread.

mansaxel is Swedish, and a lot closer to the AfD problem and therefore in a better place to understand it than you.