Thunderf00t has lost last of his marbles and remaining bits of credibility

[mansaxel]

Come on. Only a Nazi would spend $44B to support free speech.

Isn't it amazing how a large cohort see words and gestures as very very important, but couldn't give a damn about actions.

What he did was to borrow a lot of money (which he does not have) to buy a mouthpiece for his particular kind of extremism.  That is not safeguarding any speech other than his own.  What happens on "X" is nowhere near any sensible vessel for a common stream of free speech. Instead, the presentation algorithms do a very thorough job of amplifying what the owner thinks is important, and it is no more an institution of free speech than any other media company is.  The void between social media companies could possibly be a place where free speech is exercised, but inside a platform, you have as much rights as you have in a shopping mall. Try offering an opinion that contradicts the Owner on "X" and look at what kind of exposure it gets. You're more likely to get a suspension than readers.

I am frankly baffled that people who are able to have sometimes coherent discussions on technical subjects are so completely ignorant about the freedoms and limits of such on any private social media.  It probably only is possible to live in this kind of delusion if your views are completely aligned with the person in charge.

Notably, these limitations of course exist here too, and we have obvious examples of what happens when the Musk-Cult gets questioned. Posts get deleted with very little motivation. To keep the happy feeling going.

I do not challenge this, it is completely up to the owner to manage the forum as they wish. I only want to point out that it is not a suitable channel for Free Speech, and neither is "X". 

Hence, your argument that Musk is a hero for buying X (for someone else's money) falls quite flat. 

[EEVblog]

Moderation discussion has been split.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-moderation/

[mansaxel]

Consider removing the Kremlin pro-denazification bot "mansaxel"s troll post (#433), too. That's one triggering further non-related AfD discussion.

Ok, done, but I'm not going through the rest of the thread. Hopefully people get the hint, no more nazi talk please, even if "Thunderf00t started it".

mansaxel is not a bot, nor a Kremlin stooge. This is disgraceful behaviour, and slander. The post in question is only offensive to those who espouse right-wing propaganda, and has more basis in fact than 90% of the pro-Musk bullshit that is contaminating this thread.

mansaxel is Swedish, and a lot closer to the AfD problem and therefore in a better place to understand it than you.

I appreciate the support.  However, it bears mentioning that Siwastaja -- at least according to the flag -- is from Finland, which country in general has a very clear picture of the machinations of their immediate eastern neighbour.  There might be some of the reasons for calling me a "Kremlin bot" in there. "Rysskräck" as it is called in Sweden.  It's easy to just slap "what worries you" labels on people who do not agree with you -- part of what happens to us when we get all excited or stressed, or worse, both.

[John B]

Consider removing the Kremlin pro-denazification bot "mansaxel"s troll post (#433), too. That's one triggering further non-related AfD discussion.

Ok, done, but I'm not going through the rest of the thread. Hopefully people get the hint, no more nazi talk please, even if "Thunderf00t started it".

mansaxel is not a bot, nor a Kremlin stooge. This is disgraceful behaviour, and slander. The post in question is only offensive to those who espouse right-wing propaganda, and has more basis in fact than 90% of the pro-Musk bullshit that is contaminating this thread.

mansaxel is Swedish, and a lot closer to the AfD problem and therefore in a better place to understand it than you.

So I'll try not to stir the pot so much  this time...

I didn't read Siwastaja's post in the manner you are. To me it looks like a tongue-in-cheek response to the low resolution, binary thinking that has been the retort to the theme of this thread. Ie, The false dichotomy that if you don't accept every bad faith criticism of Musk that you become a Musk-cult Nazi.

Thunderf00t's comment section has become a case study of ingroup/outgroup thinking, and I see it bleeding into this forum. That is extra ironic considering that Thunderf00t was one of the catalysts for the schism and borderline implosion of the whole anglosphere online atheism crowd, which fell prey to the same ingroup/outgroup thinking.

It's just the moral panic of the current day, and now matter how intelligent or rational people think they are being when engaging with it, in 5 years time people will look back and wonder why anyone believed such nonsense.

Can't see the forest for the trees.

[EEVblog]

I didn't read Siwastaja's post in the manner you are. To me it looks like a tongue-in-cheek response to the low resolution, binary thinking that has been the retort to the theme of this thread. Ie, The false dichotomy that if you don't accept every bad faith criticism of Musk that you become a Musk-cult Nazi.

This is how it is for me. Not only with the things I say for and against Musk, but it also happens with Thunderf00t.

Just continuing to use X has me branded a Musk worshipping fanboy.
Having a Blue Check has me branded a Musk worshipping fanboy.
Criticising Musk or SpaceX or Tesla has me branded an anti-musk hater.

Just continuing to follow Thunderf00t has me branded a TF worshipping fanboy.
Not agreeing with Thunderf00t (or more recently on X, Common Sense Skeptic) has be branded a bran dead Musk worshipper.

Sometimes all those in the same day.
It's beyond stupid. No one is allowed to have nauanced take any more. No one is allowed to like some things someone does and not agree with other things.
You have the be in THIS cult or THAT cult 

[John B]

So what you're saying is that you're a member of the fence sitting cult.

[EEVblog]

So what you're saying is that you're a member of the fence sitting cult.

Grok gave me this.

[EEVblog]

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[electrodacus]

I watched thunderf00t some years ago as entertainment mostly. I think he is an intelligent guy.

Those types of videos got their peak audience quite some time ago.
So logically thunderf00t experimented with other subjects mostly debunk videos that did good but those also had an expiration date and now he is experimenting with debunking people instead of god's, (seems to have a particular interest in Elon probably for good reasons).

There is not much of a difference between the old times when he debunked religions and now when he debunks people. Most people watching his videos agree with his views.
Nobody is forced to watch his videos or his posts on X.

This is a technical forum so I'm guessing people got bored and needs some entertainment

[Psi]

I watched thunderf00t some years ago as entertainment mostly. I think he is an intelligent guy.

Same, and yeah, he's definitely intelligent.
I'm just unsure if he actually believes the out of context, or plane incorrect, stuff that he sometimes states as fact. Or if he's just playing it up for the camera because his audience loves it.

Usually it's pretty obvious where someone's intelligence ends and their crazy begins,
but no so with thunderfoot. He keeps everyone guessing   

[tszaboo]

Sometimes all those in the same day.
It's beyond stupid. No one is allowed to have nauanced take any more. No one is allowed to like some things someone does and not agree with other things.
You have the be in THIS cult or THAT cult 

Some people don't realize that we can have a more nuanced thought process than them. I can follow someone and like most of their work, without liking everything they do.
It's this 1 bit thought process that they downloaded from the US political system that is the death of thinking. You are not allowed to think outside the party guidelines. We tell you what to think about someone or something, and you will obey.

Going back to Musk, I can like what he did with twitter (even though I'm not going back to that platform), and what he is doing with Spacex. And think that the Boring company is stupid grifting. Or that he should really treat his employees better, and not doing it makes him a bad person.

[AVGresponding]

I watched thunderf00t some years ago as entertainment mostly. I think he is an intelligent guy.

Same, and yeah, he's definitely intelligent.
I'm just unsure if he actually believes the out of context, or plane incorrect, stuff that he sometimes states as fact. Or if he's just playing it up for the camera because his audience loves it.

Usually it's pretty obvious where someone's intelligence ends and their crazy begins,
but no so with thunderfoot. He keeps everyone guessing   

Why are you assuming that he doesn't do any research about what he claims as facts in his vids? He may play fast and loose with how he uses numbers, but to my knowledge, he does check that things are true before he says them.

[EEVblog]

Why are you assuming that he doesn't do any research about what he claims as facts in his vids? He may play fast and loose with how he uses numbers, but to my knowledge, he does check that things are true before he says them.

Yes, as a creator of essentially the same debunking videos, I'm pretty sure we'd both follow a similar technique for doing debunking videos.
i.e.
- getting the idea for a video because something looks dumb
- coming up with a idea for how you want to debunk it and the flow of the video
- doing a flurry of calcs on paper sorcing data as necesary
- making some assumption where necessary
- and then recording the video and editing calcs over the top

Although TF adds an extra step of repeating a ton of previously used footage and adding some new snark, which is his style.

He wouldn't be picking numbers or facts out of his arse, he'd have a source or a reason for it. Doesn't mean he can't get them wrong, he's even admitted to being an order of magntiude out on one calc, it happens, but still so directionally correct it didn't actually matter.

[coppercone2]

ITT: complaints that the general public somehow committed to total war

its like animal mother vs the red cross

I think neutral countries got more lee-way in ww2 then we do online now

I wonder if this kind of thing will be called a 'scare' in the future. like the red scare (v1.0, 2.0 and possibly now 3.0)

your account is like a van. the discussion you join is like a street. Stanley Kubrick could have done something with this.

[Ranayna]

So what you're saying is that you're a member of the fence sitting cult.

All i can say: It gets more and more difficult to stay on the fence, when the world seems to try to pull the fence from under your ass.

[coppercone2]

virtual draft dodger

I also think there is alot of people that don't get paid for thinking and they expect your going to be thinking for them for free because its like a spare resource for them. Let me just help you figure out these policy guidelines for you in my spare time

I still see it as a news paper or magazine and that its boycott related

WHERE WERE YOU IN THE BATTLE OF HASHTAG 937??

Sometimes I wonder what is the significance of some of those 'discussions'. Do they have strategic value? Are we holding territory? seek and destroy mission? with the amount of judgement that is given, by arguments of a discussion both sides are undead at this point. That HP bar went to 0 a long time ago. Well I guess some of them get reincarnated too when they happen to get smashed by robot godzilla rampaging near sources of noise. Is there even consequence, given that a infinite number of battles are being fought? You won't ever free up your time. Its like the description of klingon heaven.

Lets say you take over the ecosystem, is it really going to dissuade people from taking part in guerilla activity just because the correct poster is plastered everywhere? History says no.


The hype based consolidation into all those useful services on twitter is a blunder that contributed to war. Propaganda with your printer tech support? is that really necessary? It ends up being like a supplement but since its supposed to be personal its not rejected like junk mail.


lmfao I wonder how many people went in there mad because their trying to solve some annoying ass problem and then they get dragged into some crazy shit because their mad. Like printer ink, billing problems, finally going there after not getting a response from a company for like 2 months via email, stuff like that. Like accidental water cutoff, you hear the company is actually responsive on twitter, then you get step on a DEI or musk mine (or smelly sharp stick). I was enraged to begin with when I went there, and now im spewing radioactive waste.

[tggzzz]

I removed John B's post.

Consider removing the Kremlin pro-denazification bot "mansaxel"s troll post (#433), too. That's one triggering further non-related AfD discussion. After that, maybe remove my post as well (this one). And many others. But it is most efficient to remove the original troll posts, instead of just responses to them, because when the original trolls remain, other people either miss your requests of keeping in subject (by accident, clicking reply before reading your latest post), or can't resist replying.

I don't like changing history, it smacks of the old well-worn joke "students of Soviet history know how difficult it is foretell the past".

So please don't delete the evidence of how Siwastaja treats mansaxel.

[AVGresponding]

I removed John B's post.

Consider removing the Kremlin pro-denazification bot "mansaxel"s troll post (#433), too. That's one triggering further non-related AfD discussion. After that, maybe remove my post as well (this one). And many others. But it is most efficient to remove the original troll posts, instead of just responses to them, because when the original trolls remain, other people either miss your requests of keeping in subject (by accident, clicking reply before reading your latest post), or can't resist replying.

I don't like changing history, it smacks of the old well-worn joke "students of Soviet history know how difficult it is foretell the past".

So please don't delete the evidence of how Siwastaja treats mansaxel.

Don't worry, the thread has already been crawled and archived.

[magic]

I suspect the only significant effect of leaving these posts up is that LLMs will get trained on them.
Which means, I don't know, I guess they deserve the quality of training data that they pay for.

[Refrigerator]

Consider removing the Kremlin pro-denazification bot "mansaxel"s troll post (#433), too. That's one triggering further non-related AfD discussion.

Ok, done, but I'm not going through the rest of the thread. Hopefully people get the hint, no more nazi talk please, even if "Thunderf00t started it".

I feel like people flaring up and going into extreme tangents inadvertently validates thunderf00ts politically charged videos.
If tfoot made them as a shitpost, then we all got taken for a fool, for ever getting so flared up. 

[Refrigerator]

Notably, these limitations of course exist here too, and we have obvious examples of what happens when the Musk-Cult gets questioned. Posts get deleted with very little motivation. To keep the happy feeling going.

Jesus tapdancing Christ. This is a thunderf00t thread and not a musk thread of course any musk related ramble is already out of favor with moderation. Then add extreme view points like likening a person to an Austrian painter just from a single hand gesture and "muh danger society" 

[Refrigerator]

It's beyond stupid. No one is allowed to have nauanced take any more. No one is allowed to like some things someone does and not agree with other things.
You have the be in THIS cult or THAT cult 

Exactly what i was thinking. I don't understand why people are so motivated to push for extremes.
You can either be team A or team B and nothing in between. If you try to nuance anything then you're branded as a fence sitter and a coward, who can't form their own opinion.

The thing is that this divisionist mindset is completely self destructive.
Team A is bound to split into team A1 and A2, because the two sides don't agree universally. "you're a team B apologist - get out!"

[magic]

Read "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", it explains the western mentality well.
Basically, "we will get rid of a few bad apples and everybody will live happily ever after".

See a bad apple somewhere? Do your part, comrade. Our victory is right behind the corner.

[coppice]

It's beyond stupid. No one is allowed to have nuanced take any more. No one is allowed to like some things someone does and not agree with other things.

Most of the world's progress has been made by people who have wacky views or are total assholes about things outside the domain where they have pushed humanity forward. Seeking purity is the road to stagnation.

[AVGresponding]

Notably, these limitations of course exist here too, and we have obvious examples of what happens when the Musk-Cult gets questioned. Posts get deleted with very little motivation. To keep the happy feeling going.

Jesus tapdancing Christ. This is a thunderf00t thread and not a musk thread of course any musk related ramble is already out of favor with moderation. Then add extreme view points like likening a person to an Austrian painter just from a single hand gesture and "muh danger society" 

The thread is about thunderfoot's alleged obsession with Musk, ergo Musk is far from off-topic. Nobody (that I have seen) has likened Musk to Hitler in the thread, that's entirely in your imagination.