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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2025, 06:58:45 pm »
Hi, anyone have lastest firmware for test please?, dont see where is for download. thanks!
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #76 on: July 28, 2025, 08:47:43 pm »
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #77 on: July 28, 2025, 09:22:40 pm »
yes, you are right! for DPOS350P , thanks!
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #78 on: August 02, 2025, 09:02:58 pm »
The problem is at least in my case, it wont connect to WIN11, and there is no USB driver available for it.
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2025, 09:05:09 pm »
Dows not connect to Windows 11 and no USB driver. Just is what it is and can never be updated to images downloaded
 

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FNIRSI DPOS350P review video by Kerry Wong
« Reply #80 on: August 03, 2025, 12:17:40 am »
Kerry Wong has just published a review video of the FNIRSI DPOS350P.
Criticisms include the usual suspects (non-standard USB-C supply requirements, noisy fan, UI bugs and inconsistencies).

https://youtu.be/nILiuOlv9V8
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #81 on: August 03, 2025, 01:25:55 am »
I watched a fair bit of the video (I might be interested in purchasing a portable 'scope one day, just not yet) and my personal conclusion from that video is that you couldn't really trust the results shown by the instrument, unless you'd confirmed them with a normal 'scope first. In other words, maybe it's useful for verifying signals that you're already aware of what to expect, but beyond that, you'd always be wondering if there is an instrument issue or not.
It was hard going, the video is mostly out of focus unfortunately.

The PCB layout looks quite ugly (everything laid out on a grid) which might explain why (say) the FFT output wasn't great. The FFT looks mostly unusable. The multiple ADCs might have something to do with that too.

I don't know how much this device costs, but I wouldn't spend more than $100 on it. I think some FNIRSI equipment is nice however, I'm just not confident enough about this one, and I doubt some of the issues can ever be resolved by firmware updates alone.
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #82 on: August 03, 2025, 02:32:34 am »
I only now see this thread, I had not realized this was from fnirsi.

At the moment, my opinion of fnirsi is extremely negative. The fnirsi gadgets look good, mechanically they seem pretty solidly built, the prices are unbelievably low, but they also blatantly lie in their specifications. Every time I see a somewhat in-depth review of a fnirsi gadget I see extremely gross errors that simply should not be there. From hiding artifacts by averaging multiple tracks on a scope (Does that white desktop scope even have single  trigger? And also other weirdness.

I very much doubt that this dpos350 has a real 16bit ADC. And that's OK, nobody expects 16-bit ADC's on an oscilloscope, and certainly not in this price range. And it's nice if you have some high-res mode with averaging in which you can approximate 16 bits of resolution, but then state in your manuals and advertisements what is is and what it does. Don't lie.

As long as you're lying in your specifications, it's just a silly gadget. State real specifications and make it work reliably, and you can probably up the price a bit and people will still buy it.

I have not seen the Kerry Wong review (He usually makes pretty good reviews), but as it stands, the text shabaz posted here is enough for me, and it exactly confirms what I have seen in previous reviews of fnirsi gadgets. This scope has the same dubious anti features as the other gadgets. Shabaz is generous. I would not even touch this scope if I got it for free.

... and my personal conclusion from that video is that you couldn't really trust the results shown by the instrument, unless you'd confirmed them with a normal 'scope first.

... The FFT looks mostly unusable....

... but I wouldn't spend more than $100 on it.

I'm just not confident enough about this one, and I doubt some of the issues can ever be resolved by firmware updates alone.

I don't know exactly where it goes wrong. Is the hardware simply not up to specs, and is the software hiding that on purpose? Maybe it's mostly software bugs that can be fixed over time. What I've seen of the 1014D is so disappointing that, at the moment, I simply can't take the brand seriously. Fix the serious issues with your equipment first before you put more gadgets on the market. For a scope with a (claimed) 350MHz bandwidth there are a bunch of expectations about signal quality and trustworthiness. If you can't match those expectations with real specifications, you are making gadgets and not test equipment.

And overall, you've already got a lot going for the brand. It looks good, is reasonable solidly built, very small prices, but as long as you don't improve the actual functionality, it's "fnirsi gadgets" without a captital F, and not "Fnirsi test equipment". For this reason I'm completely disregarding the whole brand at the moment. Maybe you you will deserve the capital F in a few years, but watching reviews (often made by beginners who do not always recognize the lies / deficiencies) is just a waste of time at the moment. I am thinking of buying a handheld scope in the near future. I already have a quite capable Siglent scope, but I'd like a scope without a fan and one that can be use without a mains plug and that is also easier to move around and store. An Owon or Hantek with around 20MHz to 40MHz is what is on my short list at the moment, but no fnirsi stuff.
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #83 on: August 03, 2025, 02:51:06 pm »
Dows not connect to Windows 11 and no USB driver. Just is what it is and can never be updated to images downloaded

Another user in a different thread had the same problem and fixed it with a different USB cable:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-oscilloscope-from-fnirsi-dpos350p/msg5998687/#msg5998687
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #84 on: August 03, 2025, 04:21:51 pm »
Quote from: Doctorandus_P
Is the hardware simply not up to specs, and is the software hiding that on purpose?

The hardware looks strange. There seems to be four ADCs to achieve the sample rate. I wish they had just simply gone for non-interleaved 100 MHz BW instead, kept it simple. Everything is weirdly laid out for instance, packed like Tetris pieces, see the attached DAC filter snippet as an example.. I think a combination of layout, and that h/w design, is causing all the nasty spurs on the spectrum display. A simpler instrument
that works better would have been nice as a portable scope. They seem to have talented engineers for the enclosure, much of the software and so on, and maybe their PCB engineer just needed some guidance on the layout, but I think the actual hardware design isn't ideal, and not enough resources to software test, and to fix the bugs perhaps. And that tiny fan would irritate no end. I already have to work in a different room than my SBCs some of which have these small fans, because I can't take the noise they emit, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2025, 04:24:42 pm by shabaz »
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #85 on: August 04, 2025, 10:32:18 pm »
Packing all the SMT passives so closely is not strange on itself, but it does mean you have no room left for routing, so that probably needs a few extra copper layers. It's the choice between PCB size or layers. But packing stuff that close probably does increase crosstalk, (or distortion if it's all within the same channel). But maybe two PCB's (and then each with fewer layers) would have been better, but I can't judge that from a distance.

I also skimmed very quickly through the Kerry Wong review. @48:18 the ADC's are marked with "2445". So apparently the Chinese have progressed from grinding off part numbers to ordering the chips with custom part numbers (What HP and such did 40 years ago). But shame on fnirsi. It's not going to delay anybody who is interested in reverse engineering for more then a few hours, and it does make reviews much harder, and reduces trust in the brand. If I could see it had decent ADC's, I would have more confidence in the hardware, and I would be more inclined to believe that issues can (and hopefully will) be fixed. (How good is fnirsi with firmware updates?) For HP it was not an issue, because the brand had a well established good name and you could trust it. Not so much for a new and cheap chinese brand.


A simpler instrument that works better would have been nice as a portable scope.

That I completely agree with. "Low cost" nearly always coincides with bad user interface or broken functions, and that is a big bummer. Nobody in their right mind is expecting a 350MHz bandwidth scope in the (very) low cost market segment, but a tool that "just works", and works reliably would be very nice.

Today I've been looking a bit deeper into the Owon handhelds. (Especially the HDS242S 40MHz is plenty, the Owon has good display update rate and other specs). And then I found out they completely *&^%$#@! the buttons. It's got left/right and Up/Down cursors, but those do not adjust the timebase and voltage scaling. And it's not just me, several youtubers find the buttons "confusing" or "hard to get used to". So that is end of my interest. Maybe I'll look deeper into the ZeeWei handhelds this week.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2025, 10:48:23 pm by Doctorandus_P »
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #86 on: August 06, 2025, 09:02:21 am »
The following video shows how bad this device is in measurements, fra, spectrum analyzer

https://youtu.be/WtcAMw8iR7s?si=RJsOct8_PIymBPXC
 
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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #87 on: August 06, 2025, 05:16:04 pm »
The following video shows how bad this device is in measurements, fra, spectrum analyzer

https://youtu.be/WtcAMw8iR7s?si=RJsOct8_PIymBPXC

Thanks for the link.  I've only watched the first 6 minutes, but I like this guy and his style.

The English auto-dub isn't terrible, but I do wish I understood Polish especially considering my ancestry.
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #88 on: August 08, 2025, 07:34:49 pm »
Today I've been looking a bit deeper into the Owon handhelds. (Especially the HDS242S 40MHz is plenty, the Owon has good display update rate and other specs). And then I found out they completely *&^%$#@! the buttons. It's got left/right and Up/Down cursors, but those do not adjust the timebase and voltage scaling. And it's not just me, several youtubers find the buttons "confusing" or "hard to get used to". So that is end of my interest. Maybe I'll look deeper into the ZeeWei handhelds this week.

By coincidence I tried an Owon instrument for the first time a couple of months ago, a tiny DGE 1030 AWG.

I was pleasantly surprised, it's for sure a bare-bones instrument functionality-wise, but I liked the price-performance-functions mix.

I checked the output with an SA and signal quality was very good (worsens slightly past 200mV p-p due to the internal amplifier, plus could benefit from a bit more filtering), and it supports basic analog modulation, has a easy-to-use UI, and SCPI support via USB, so it's easy to automate things.

The main reason I got it was because I didn't trust myself with a higher-end AWG on some circuits-under-test, I'd rather accidentally damage lower-cost equipment. But the instrument performs well enough I will make lots of use of it.

If they did a little low-end battery-capable oscilloscope with thoughtful price-performance mix and a decent UI, I'd be interested. I don't think the DPOS350P has that thoughtful mix sadly.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2025, 07:44:58 pm by shabaz »
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #89 on: August 08, 2025, 07:51:32 pm »
The user interface, look, operation, and responsiveness of the Fnirsi are good.  The price is reasonable. 

It is a good second scope and battery operation is a big plus.  It has a very short learning curve.  Perhaps future firmware upgrades will make it even better.

Just my thoughts.
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #90 on: August 10, 2025, 05:16:20 am »
Another bug for yangyao: in zoom mode with vertical markers Dt and Df set, the meter ;) shows  smaller values for Df and larger values for Dt than in the mode without zoom for a full period. This is with the latest firmware.

Example of the generator 100Hz, amplitude 2v, in zoom mode Dt=25ms, Dt=39.9, it's cool ;)

Apart from that, the markers stand in a different place.


« Last Edit: August 10, 2025, 05:02:38 pm by ststefanov13 »
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #91 on: August 10, 2025, 08:37:18 am »
Another bug for yangyao: in zoom mode with vertical markers Dt and Df set, the meter ;) shows  smaller values for Df and larger values for Dt than in the mode without zoom. This is with the latest firmware.

Example of the generator 100Hz, amplitude 2v, in zoom mode Dt=25ms, Dt=39.9, it's cool ;)

Apart from that, the markers stand in a different place.

You just have to live with it, the creator already leave the idea that this model has already been abandoned. They are working on a new scope model. If he release a new firmware it will be a miracle. You could use this scope to see something on screen and forget measurements because they are not consistent, also fra is 50% working, such as spectrum analyzer, and fft. It's too bad because if they dedicate a little more time fixing this device they will certainly sell a lot more. If source code be kindly released (of course it won't for obvious reasons) we all could fix the damn machine and they will profit a lot from sales. So we all have to wait for some genius to crack this thing and release a custom firmware.
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #92 on: December 06, 2025, 09:34:52 am »
Without wanting to bother with advanced functions and mathematical analysis, this is what I detect by plotting a 50Hz square wave on my DPOS350P. The 1X probe is connected directly to the signal generator. The same signal measured with the 1013D is normal.
I'm speechless...
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #93 on: December 06, 2025, 10:14:55 pm »
Without wanting to bother with advanced functions and mathematical analysis, this is what I detect by plotting a 50Hz square wave on my DPOS350P. The 1X probe is connected directly to the signal generator. The same signal measured with the 1013D is normal.
I'm speechless...

Did you compensate the probe?
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #94 on: December 06, 2025, 10:28:07 pm »
Yes, by setting the function generator to 1 kHz square wave. In any case, the probe is set to 1X
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #95 on: December 06, 2025, 10:32:25 pm »
Is my DPOS350P defective or are they all like this?
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #96 on: December 07, 2025, 12:55:57 pm »
Have you tried a BNC jumper instead of the probe?
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #97 on: December 07, 2025, 01:25:18 pm »
Same problem if using the 1013D probe or channel 2
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #98 on: May 21, 2026, 07:45:08 pm »
Yangyao, when you expect to release new version of the firmware for DPOS350P? Last one dated 2025-06-19.

Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: Hello everyone, I am the developer of DPOS350P and DPOX180H
« Reply #99 on: May 21, 2026, 08:06:44 pm »
I guess never.  :-DD
FNIRSI 1013D Always provide a picture or video with the problem where the parameters of the oscilloscope are visible, and a picture of the diagnostic screen with the values.
Firmware is here (or not) https://github.com/Atlan4/Fnirsi1013D/tree/main/Guide%20to%20firmware
 


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