RIGOL MHO98 and MHO900 Oscilloscope Series

[simone.pignatti]

It looks like RIGOL has dropped a new oscilloscope line including a special edition! Let see if and when they will be available 

YouTube: https://youtu.be/Kz10enXc3Co?si=hbBDMSFL0ztVLOZN

Article: https://en.eeworld.com.cn/bbs/thread-1326353-1-1.html

[Martin72]

"Limited Edition", scope works as expected...?

[NE666]

"Limited Edition", scope works as expected...?

Right down to its 24K gold-plated nameplate and 'delicate metal knobs'..

[Wong]

MHO98 is currently on pre-sale, priced at CNY9999 (USD1403)

[MadTux]

The plastics look is strong, on that one!
And not even that cheap....

[2N3055]

Rigol saga takes another weird turn....

I would like to be at product strategy meetings there...
Probably something like this:

[thm_w]

Its nice to see someone targeting the enthusiast hobbyist market.

Though this is just a dho800 enclosure, so its the smaller 7" screen. I can't see many people in NA paying $1400 for that size of scope. I assume the mho900 will be a lot less (MHO98 is the bling edition).

From youtube link: https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/articoli-blog/rigol-mho900-presentazione

[Kahooli]

for the sample rate and bandwidth, and included logic pod, 1400 seems pretty reasonable. Plug in a monitor if you want a big screen

[NE666]

Its nice to see someone targeting the enthusiast hobbyist market.

It's an 'interesting' angle for their marketing to pursue for sure, appealing directly to the (dare I say, "more youthful" ?) hobbyist market. I don't see many, if any, 'major' brands trying it.

Though this is just a dho800 enclosure, so its the smaller 7" screen.

I was wondering about that. A larger screen seems in order, given that the DHO800/900 already satisfy the 'portable' niche in their range.

I can't see many people in NA paying $1400 for that size of scope. I assume the mho900 will be a lot less (MHO98 is the bling edition).

I have the impression that price will be for their domestic market. I expect there to be a premium on top of that for western markets. However, we've got Black Friday sales not too far out, and I can also see that being used as the launch vehicle in those markets.

[NE666]

for the sample rate and bandwidth, and included logic pod, 1400 seems pretty reasonable. Plug in a monitor if you want a big screen

It will be interesting to see to what extent the AWG functionality overlaps with that of the DG800/900 Pro series of stand alone AWGs, and therefore how it influences the value proposition too.

[2N3055]

for the sample rate and bandwidth, and included logic pod, 1400 seems pretty reasonable. Plug in a monitor if you want a big screen

It will be interesting to see to what extent the AWG functionality overlaps with that of the DG800/900 Pro series of stand alone AWGs, and therefore how it influences the value proposition too.

Even expensive MHO5000 has basically same AWG as bog standard DHO900, except it is less sample rate and output max frequency. But features are exactly the same. Those built in AWG are good for a quick thing here and there but external full blown AWG is miles better.

[Smepic]

So up to 1Ghz/800Mhz, why they haven't included active probe interface? I don't get it.

On the other hand, it seems they have realized that put Rigol logo in a 7" screen right next to scope logo doesn't make much sense.

Maybe they have also fixed the bugs of the 800/900 series in these new series? Of course, if they launch a new firmware to fix the bugs in the current 800 and 900 series, that would be incredible.

Its nice to see someone targeting the enthusiast hobbyist market.

Though this is just a dho800 enclosure, so its the smaller 7" screen. I can't see many people in NA paying $1400 for that size of scope. I assume the mho900 will be a lot less (MHO98 is the bling edition).

From youtube link: https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/articoli-blog/rigol-mho900-presentazione

It can be useful that they are small and portable. Rigol has support for external display via HDMI and remote control via web works pretty well and fast. So its not a big deal.

[thm_w]

So up to 1Ghz/800Mhz, why they haven't included active probe interface? I don't get it.

The dho800 case wasn't designed with active probe in mind, don't think it would fit. Then too much money to do a new mold.

It can be useful that they are small and portable. Rigol has support for external display via HDMI and remote control via web works pretty well and fast. So its not a big deal.

There is definitely a market, but I'm saying its likely not going to be in NA.

[NE666]

external display via HDMI and remote control via web works pretty well and fast. So its not a big deal.

I disagree. When the primary display is touch screen, and the UI is touch orientated, external monitors and mouse-based web clients don't provide the same user experience at all.

Of course, maybe not everyone uses or appreciates a touch interface on their 'scope. I too, originally thought it was just a gimmick. Then I owned one, and later a touch UI AWG, and now I'll be looking for it in future such purchases.

It's not a hill I've a special interest in, let alone one I'm prepared to 'die on' but given the nature of the UI Rigol has developed, which includes windowing capability, and given this device (like the DHO900) has up to 16 LA channels to display too, I find the lack of primary display real estate to be disappointing in this era. In this price class, I'd prefer to see nothing less than the 9" of the 'old' MSO5000 series.

[Fungus]

external display via HDMI and remote control via web works pretty well and fast. So its not a big deal.

I disagree. When the primary display is touch screen, and the UI is touch orientated, external monitors and mouse-based web clients don't provide the same user experience at all.

You can connect a touch screen to the HDMI port.

Though this is just a dho800 enclosure, so its the smaller 7" screen. I can't see many people in NA paying $1400 for that size of scope. I assume the mho900 will be a lot less (MHO98 is the bling edition).

It could be a bargain if you can buy the base model and hack it to 800MHz with 4GSa/sec.

Let's wait for the final price list before judging.

[NE666]

You can connect a touch screen to the HDMI port.

Well that's something I suppose, to have the option.  But personally, I'd have to purchase a touch screen monitor too, and add its cost into the total value proposition. So for me, still a 'meh'.

[Martin72]

I just can't get used to this bling-bling look...



as if someone had replaced the original buttons with some from the 1970s.

[2N3055]

I am waiting for a pimped one with a fur on the handle..

[NE666]

Anyone else remember this atrocity?

[tszaboo]

So up to 1Ghz/800Mhz, why they haven't included active probe interface? I don't get it.

On the other hand, it seems they have realized that put Rigol logo in a 7" screen right next to scope logo doesn't make much sense.

Maybe they have also fixed the bugs of the 800/900 series in these new series? Of course, if they launch a new firmware to fix the bugs in the current 800 and 900 series, that would be incredible.

Its nice to see someone targeting the enthusiast hobbyist market.

Though this is just a dho800 enclosure, so its the smaller 7" screen. I can't see many people in NA paying $1400 for that size of scope. I assume the mho900 will be a lot less (MHO98 is the bling edition).

From youtube link: https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/articoli-blog/rigol-mho900-presentazione

It can be useful that they are small and portable. Rigol has support for external display via HDMI and remote control via web works pretty well and fast. So its not a big deal.

Never mind the active interface, as far as I see it doesn't have 50 Ohm input.

[NE666]

as far as I see it doesn't have 50 Ohm input.

Well, there is this. Then again, my DHO1074 also has those markings, and we know how that goes.

[2N3055]

Anyone else remember this atrocity?

Still have nightmares..

[faveri97]

The Chinese datasheet https://www.rigol.com/dam/global/downloads/brochures/zh/data-sheet/oscillosopes/MHO98_DataSheet_CN.pdf of the MHO98 model says it has 50Ohm inputs.

The bandwidth of the scope in 1MOhm input mode and the bundled 10:1 passive probes is limited to 500MHz. The 1GHz bandwidth of the scope is only achievable when the inputs are switched to 50Ohm and only one input channel is active (for the 4GHz sampling rate).

The lack of the active probe interfaces kind of defeated the purpose of the 1GHz bandwidth for me. Maybe they assume that the "enthusiast hobbyists" they are targeting would make their DIY active probes with custom interfaces...

[Martin72]

Maybe they assume that the "enthusiast hobbyists" they are targeting would make their DIY active probes with custom interfaces...

They have been counting on buyers to help themselves for some time now, with success.

[0xdeadbeef]

Seems hard to believe that a 1GHz 4GSa/s scope (even if that is only true for a single channel) will be available in the West for $1400.
Compared to the DHO924S which has only 250 MHz bandwidth, 1.25 GSa/s sampling rate and 50 Mpts memory, this seems way too cheap.
About the active probe interface: in this target group, nobody would buy a >$1000 active probe for a $1400 scope anyway, but there are active probes which don't need any special probe interface, so that is not really a showstopper.