Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD

[Martin72]

24h later.....
Unpacked, more pictures will follow in the days to come.
The fact that the display foil is not present and neither are the front dust caps is not a problem, but it was different with the 2104XHD.
Excellent workmanship, the handle is of course made of aluminum.
This time a mouse is also included and very nice probes.
And....
A calibration certificate, complete with values.
Since Siglent usually does this with their “Pro” models, it underlines the claim they have with the 3000 series.
At the moment I am very pleasantly surprised by all of them.
More pictures and first impressions after switching on soon, not today, it's quite cold outside here and the device has to acclimatize first.

[KungFuJosh]

24h later.....

Congratulations! I guess I can't tease you about waiting anymore. Aw shucks. 😉

[egonotto]

Hello,

the SP3050A (this is wrong!) probes are also included in the SDS2104X HD.

Best regards
egonotto

Sorry, I made a mistake. My SDS2104X HD comes with the SP5050A.

[Martin72]

At the time, my SDS2104X HD came with probes (5050A) that did not appear to be of such high quality:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/msg4236166/#msg4236166

[gburdzin]

Hello,

the SP3050A probes are also included in the SDS2104X HD.

Best regards
egonotto

My SDS2104X HD (received just after Easter) also came with the SP5050A probes.

[H.O]

Mine too, a few weeks back.
Still, 500MHz probes delivered with a 100MHz scope - can't complain.

[egonotto]

Hello,

sorry, I made a mistake. My SDS2104X HD comes with the SP5050A.

Best regards
egonotto

[Grandchuck]

Mine also.  As far as I can tell, the maximum rms voltage rating is a bit lower (300 versus 400).

[kripton2035]

you shouldn't look at mains signals without a differential probe...

[temperance]

I just updated the forum rules. When new equipment is shown, the forum doesn't accept new posts from that user unless a teardown is shown.

@Martin  I can send you screwdrivers for free if you don't have any to perform the requested action.

[kripton2035]

Dave will certainly soon receive a SDS3000 ...

[KungFuJosh]

I just updated the forum rules. When new equipment is shown, the forum doesn't accept new posts from that user unless a teardown is shown.

@Martin  I can send you screwdrivers for free if you don't have any to perform the requested action.

Martin isn't about to void his warranty! He needs the warranty intact when he sells the scope a year from now when the opportunity arises for him to get an 8GHz SDS7000A in exchange for $500 and a high-five.

[Martin72]

Dave will certainly soon receive a SDS3000 ...

If he has ordered one, he will get one at some point.
The delivery situation is very difficult, as only those who will pay for it are likely to be supplied first.
As it turned out today, I wouldn't have been able to get one either, despite ordering over 3 months ago.
They sent me their own demonstration device by mistake (hence the missing display foil and dust caps), but I can keep it until a new one is actually sent out.
So I can play around a bit, I've already started it after the acclimatization.
The fan is regulated, that's for sure, it makes a clear noise at the beginning when booting, then it gradually gets quieter and quieter - but not as quiet as the SDS2000X HD.
A few things are different from what I'm used to, and the “basic speed” seems faster to me.
But I'll find out more about that in the days to come, with the report here, of course.

[kripton2035]

I'm pretty sure Dave receives devices he didn't order

[tautech]

I'm pretty sure Dave receives devices he didn't order

For sure.

Yet, what has HQ had in return for their gift of 2 scopes of nearly $2k in value as yet.
Crickets.....

[Martin72]

I'm pretty sure Dave receives devices he didn't order

But it also has to do something for this, and it hasn't for a long time, or at least not properly, especially with Siglent products.

[ebastler]

Yet, what has HQ had in return for their gift of 2 scopes of nearly $2k in value as yet.
Crickets.....

But it also has to do something for this, and it hasn't for a long time, or at least not properly, especially with Siglent products.

Frankly, a first-to-market, flashy Rigol scope might suit Dave's style and format better than a second-to-market Siglent scope with a no-frills package, no-frills UI, and powerful-but-complex capabilities.

[Performa01]

Even if Dave would actually care and create a similar fuss as with Rigol, it would be of no benefit for DSOs above hobbyist level, which I would define with the SDS2000X Plus as an upper limit. Or an SDS2000X HD at most after the latest price drop.

Higher class instruments such as the midrange SDS3000X are for professionals primarily (even though it's still a very affordable X-class instrument). And Professionals just don't base their purchasing decisions on the EEVblog - neither Dave's videos, nor the forum with its rather low S/N ratio...

[core]

Even if Dave would actually care and create a similar fuss as with Rigol, it would be of no benefit for DSOs above hobbyist level, which I would define with the SDS2000X Plus as an upper limit. Or an SDS2000X HD at most after the latest price drop.

Higher class instruments such as the midrange SDS3000X are for professionals primarily (even though it's still a very affordable X-class instrument). And Professionals just don't base their purchasing decisions on the EEVblog - neither Dave's videos, nor the forum with its rather low S/N ratio...

Up to 5-7,000 euros are not really unaffordable for a more powerful amateur or a very small company.
So an SDS3000X HD would be just the thing.

Not everyone can have easy access to a demo unit.
A review and a teardown might convince. Not to mention the excellent tests you did for some models.

Otherwise we'll be saving some more money for a Keysight or R&S.

On the other hand, many of us were glad to see a teardown with the R&S MXO4 even if we never get to have it.

[ebastler]

Up to 5-7,000 euros are not really unaffordable for a more powerful amateur or a very small company.
So an SDS3000X HD would be just the thing.

Not everyone can have easy access to a demo unit.
A review and a teardown might convince. Not to mention the excellent tests you did for some models.

But what kind of review do you expect Dave to do? In preparing a video, he cannot spend days and weeks to really dig into the subtleties of a device as powerful and complex as the 3000X HD. And his video format does not allow for the level of detail which Performa01 presented in his 800X HD thread -- nowhere near, in fact.

Let's face it: The EEVblog videos are about entertainment, not about the in-depth assessment one would want to do before spending 5000€ and more. For professional customers, getting a demo unit would probably be the way to go. And for serious amateurs, at least in Europe, you can always buy a unit, test it for 2-4 weeks, and return it in case of major disappointments.

[core]

But what kind of review do you expect Dave to do? In preparing a video, he cannot spend days and weeks to really dig into the subtleties of a device as powerful and complex as the 3000X HD. And his video format does not allow for the level of detail which Performa01 presented in his 800X HD thread -- nowhere near, in fact.

In this particular case I would like to know which FPGA has the SDS800 vs SDS1000 vs SDS3000 because they are all part of the same family, so as software they are similar, but as processing power I have no idea how different they are.

If the SDS1000 is just an SDS800 with a bigger screen, the price difference is not justified for many of us. About the SDS1000 we know what hardware it includes (user skander posted photos), but we don't know what FPGA and ADC converters the SDS800 has.

Same with the SDS3000. Unless it's significantly more powerful, faster than the SDS2000X HD, I have the same problem.

Also, it looks like the new SDS2000X HD, black, is coming.

Siglent is aiming higher than Rigol, and it would be nice to have more inside info (hardware) on these products. A review by Dave might help here.

Let's face it: The EEVblog videos are about entertainment, not about the in-depth assessment one would want to do before spending 5000€ and more. For professional customers, getting a demo unit would probably be the way to go. And for serious amateurs, at least in Europe, you can always buy a unit, test it for 2-4 weeks, and return it in case of major disappointments.

I'm not so sure about that.
Even though Dave doesn't always go into as much detail as we'd like, the work he does is VERY time consuming and the equipment he has access to for reviews is not available to all of us.

And the style he has covers a wide range of users. From beginners to advanced anyone can find useful and very useful information.

Unfortunately we can't find all the information in one place, we have to gather from several sources.

I don't like to order and then return the equipment. I prefer to have as much information as possible from the start.

And I wouldn't like to receive equipment already used as new.
If I don't like it, I'll sell it as second hand afterwards.

[Martin72]

Same with the SDS3000. Unless it's significantly more powerful, faster than the SDS2000X HD, I have the same problem.

Double the memory, double the sample rate, double the bandwidth...
The 3000 series can then cost more.
Whereby the "significantly faster" would still have to be defined in terms of what is meant by this.
One second of acquisition time, for example, remains one second, even with the most expensive scopes in the world.

[core]

Same with the SDS3000. Unless it's significantly more powerful, faster than the SDS2000X HD, I have the same problem.

Double the memory, double the sample rate, double the bandwidth...
The 3000 series can then cost more.
Whereby the "significantly faster" would still have to be defined in terms of what is meant by this.
One second of acquisition time, for example, remains one second, even with the most expensive scopes in the world.

I don't need a lot of memory, bandwidth or sampling rate.
I have some of that with Rigol, but it has big shortcomings in many other ways.

But I would like it to be fast when running math functions, FFT, Bode, etc.
How is the SDS3000 vs SDS2000X HD in this respect?

[markone]

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They sent me their own demonstration device by mistake (hence the missing display foil and dust caps), but I can keep it until a new one is actually sent out.
So I can play around a bit, I've already started it after the acclimatization.

Just out of curiosity, who are "they" ?

[ebastler]

Batronix.