Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD

[markone]

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Up to 5-7,000 euros are not really unaffordable for a more powerful amateur or a very small company.
So an SDS3000X HD would be just the thing.

Dunno in Romania, but I would dare to say that 99% of small companys and 100% of amateurs in Italy do NOT spend 5K, or even more, for a fancy DSO ...

[markone]

Batronix.

"by mistake" ... good to know.

[ebastler]

Even though Dave doesn't always go into as much detail as we'd like, the work he does is VERY time consuming and the equipment he has access to for reviews is not available to all of us.

And the style he has covers a wide range of users. From beginners to advanced anyone can find useful and very useful information.

Maybe I have not found the right EEVblog videos then -- I certainly don't claim to know them all. Would you have an example of an EEVblog T&M review which goes into enough detail to base a 5000€ purchase decision on it?

I don't like to order and then return the equipment. I prefer to have as much information as possible from the start.

And I wouldn't like to receive equipment already used as new.
If I don't like it, I'll sell it as second hand afterwards.

I mostly agree, and don't use that return option lightly. E.g. I have never ordered two or three products (in any price class) in parallel with the clear intent to keep only one and return the other(s). But with the DHO1074 which I ordered after quite a bit of online "research", I ended up returning it after finding too many glitches.

Seems fair to me for a mail-order purchase which you can't check out hands-on before buying. Also, I used my existing probes and mains cable for testing, not even unpacking the ones shipped with the scope, so the returned unit was "as new".

[markone]

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Seems fair to me for a mail-order purchase which you can't check out hands-on before buying. Also, I used my existing probes and mains cable for testing, not even unpacking the ones shipped with the scope, so the returned unit was "as new".

I do not agree at all with this "practice", if planned, as in your case, it is unfair and is to the detriment of others, seller and customers that eventually will receive your "tested" device later.

I also bet you too hate receiving opened used boxes and tested equipment...

[ebastler]

I do not agree at all with this "practice", if planned, as in your case, it is unfair and is to the detriment of others, seller and customers that eventually will receive your "tested" device later.

Please re-read my post. Where did you pick up the message that I planned to return it from the start? I would have loved to find it convincing and keep it, since I bought it at the very favorable Black Friday price.

[core]

I've just received the following news (from eleshop) :

Siglent has released special PC software SigScopeLab for Windows (free)

Key features :
- Offline waveform data analysis on PC
- Max. 2 channels for offline analysis
- Up to 2Mpts per channel for offline analysis
- Support for 12-bit vertical resolution
- Remote management of oscilloscopes and setup synchronization
- Fetch data to PC online for local analysis
- Multi-window display modes for flexible observation
- User-friendly interface consistent with traditional oscilloscope interface

https://eleshop.eu/siglent-sigscopelab

[KungFuJosh]

A review and a teardown might convince.

That's not going to come from Dave, especially not for Siglent gear. He seems to have a problem with Siglent, and every time he does a video he has to say "wow, none of the famous Siglent rust!" He also doesn't tend to learn the scopes at all. Like spending at least 10 minutes figuring out 'what's wrong with the scope,' and why it was maxed out at 100MHz...and eventually figured out he was in 10 bit mode on the SDS2000X+. He didn't RTFM.

If you want in-depth reviews like Performa01's, then you need Performa01 to do it. Nobody has done anything on the level of what he did for the 800X HD.

Don't get me wrong, I usually enjoy Dave's videos, but they really are just entertainment. Especially now that he's focused on spreading further on social media. I hope he does justice to the two scopes he recently received from Siglent.

[Performa01]

Martin isn't about to void his warranty! He needs the warranty intact when he sells the scope a year from now when the opportunity arises for him to get an 8GHz SDS7000A in exchange for $500 and a high-five.

Will 4 GHz do for a start?

[KungFuJosh]

Martin isn't about to void his warranty! He needs the warranty intact when he sells the scope a year from now when the opportunity arises for him to get an 8GHz SDS7000A in exchange for $500 and a high-five.

Will 4 GHz do for a start?

Of course! But he just got the 3000X HD, so you gotta let him play with it for a year before he gets bored, and the 8GHz will be out by then. 😉

[Grandchuck]

A review and a teardown might convince.

That's not going to come from Dave, especially not for Siglent gear. He seems to have a problem with Siglent, and every time he does a video he has to say "wow, none of the famous Siglent rust!" He also doesn't tend to learn the scopes at all. Like spending at least 10 minutes figuring out 'what's wrong with the scope,' and why it was maxed out at 100MHz...and eventually figured out he was in 10 bit mode on the SDS2000X+. He didn't RTFM.

If you want in-depth reviews like Performa01's, then you need Performa01 to do it. Nobody has done anything on the level of what he did for the 800X HD.

Don't get me wrong, I usually enjoy Dave's videos, but they really are just entertainment. Especially now that he's focused on spreading further on social media. I hope he does justice to the two scopes he recently received from Siglent.

Perform01's offering could become a textbook!

[H.O]

Have Siglent send a 3000X HD to Shariar over at The Signal Path. He certainly has the knowledge and equipment to do it justice and test to (and beyond) its limits, it's practically in the DC domain as far as he's concerned :-)
I'd most certainly watch that video even though I'm not in the market for one.

[temperance]

Don't get me wrong, I usually enjoy Dave's videos, but they really are just entertainment. Especially now that he's focused on spreading further on social media. I hope he does justice to the two scopes he recently received from Siglent.

He never did a proper review of the SDS2K HD. Only a teardown. I'm not expecting too much. But I'm sure a review done by Perform01 will outperform any other review.

Dave likes negative feedback. Maybe that's the problem.

[core]

A review and a teardown might convince.

That's not going to come from Dave, especially not for Siglent gear. He seems to have a problem with Siglent, and every time he does a video he has to say "wow, none of the famous Siglent rust!" He also doesn't tend to learn the scopes at all. Like spending at least 10 minutes figuring out 'what's wrong with the scope,' and why it was maxed out at 100MHz...and eventually figured out he was in 10 bit mode on the SDS2000X+. He didn't RTFM.

If you want in-depth reviews like Performa01's, then you need Performa01 to do it. Nobody has done anything on the level of what he did for the 800X HD.

Don't get me wrong, I usually enjoy Dave's videos, but they really are just entertainment. Especially now that he's focused on spreading further on social media. I hope he does justice to the two scopes he recently received from Siglent.

Perform01's offering could become a textbook!

A user manual written by Perform01 would be the best possible user manual. Any questions on the forum would be redirected to -> RTFM page no xx.
But discussions would be more boring without so many assumptions and contrary opinions 

[ebastler]

A user manual written by Perform01 would be the best possible user manual.

I have been wondering whether Performa01 might have had a hand in some parts of the SDS800X HD manual (and prior manuals for the same platform). There are some chapters which are a touch above the rest -- say the FFT chapter, and some paragraphs in the Math/Filter section.

Anybody able to offer insights? Just curious... 

[fourfathom]

I need to upgrade my scope, and the 3000X HD (500MHz or 1GHz) looks very attractive.  I don't want to buy used, and the list price for the 3000X is just around my pain point.  Are there any decent reviews out there?  Would anyone here suggest that I look elsewhere?  I am doing medium speed digital, and RF at 100 MHz and below, and I need to look at signal integrity.  Other analysis tools aren't critical , but you never know what future needs might be.  I've got plenty of other RF tools (SAs, sig gens, etc.)

Any guidance?

[Martin72]

Hi,

I've had the SDS3034X HD for 2 days, but haven't been able to use it yet because I'm too busy at the moment.
However, the competition for this series is no longer to be found at Rigol or other similar manufacturers.
12 bit and 1Ghz....If you look around at Tektronix and Lecroy, you can easily get rid of a lot more money.
At the moment, the only competition to siglent is siglent itself.

[tautech]

Same with the SDS3000. Unless it's significantly more powerful, faster than the SDS2000X HD, I have the same problem.

Double the memory, double the sample rate, double the bandwidth...
The 3000 series can then cost more.
Whereby the "significantly faster" would still have to be defined in terms of what is meant by this.
One second of acquisition time, for example, remains one second, even with the most expensive scopes in the world.

I don't need a lot of memory, bandwidth or sampling rate.

But I would like it to be fast when running math functions, FFT, Bode, etc.
How is the SDS3000 vs SDS2000X HD in this respect?

Performance in any of the modern fully configurable DSO's is directly proportional to how you drive it and the settings you use.
Take your pick, deep memory and all the advantages it can offer or wind it back some for the fastest possible performance.

The XY performance in this thread are fine examples of user settings for best performance:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/oscilloscope-music-on-dsos-post-your-results/

[Martin72]

Speaking of scope music, I tried it briefly earlier....With ERES 16bit it's pretty cool.
I have to work through next weekend, maybe I'll have more time for scope the following weekend.
But I took a few pictures earlier and tried out the scope music briefly.
What is noticeable so far is the very short reaction time when working through the menus.
Makes me want to try out more.

[Martin72]

Of course! But he just got the 3000X HD, so you gotta let him play with it for a year before he gets bored, and the 8GHz will be out by then. 😉

I would have to lie if I said I wasn't interested in the SDS7000A.
At work, I'm used to working with larger scopes, so a PC-based scope naturally has its appeal for private use.
But you have to be realistic.
Around 20000€ for a 3Ghz scope, if I bought that, nobody in my immediate environment would love me anymore.
Or make sure that I was admitted to a psychiatric ward.
5000 is my absolute limit, as long as I'm just a normal working person.
For a scope, mind you, the threshold is much lower for other measuring devices.
It may seem from the outside that I'm hopping from scope.
I do, but never without a reason.
I made the biggest jump in price when I switched from the SDS2000Xplus to the SDS2000X HD.
But it was worth it to me - later.
When I got to know the advantages better, you don't see them at first glance, except for the 12 bits.
You can be happy with the 2000X HD for the rest of your hobby life, without question.
With the 2000Xplus almost...but not quite, believe me.
Ergo the HD.
If the 3000 hadn't been introduced, it would have stayed that way, because a 6000A would be over my set budget.
But then came the SDS3000X HD.
1Ghz, 4 GSa/s... No, I couldn't resist.
I was still able to sell the SDS2000X HD, and I got a very good deal on the 3000X HD, so I only had to spend €500 on it - I would have been stupid not to take advantage of that.
So I had to strike again.
And this really could be the final scope, within my budget.
Sure, I'd like a bigger screen and a slightly higher resolution, 12” and 1280x800 for example, but then we'd be back to the 6000 and that costs €7700 at least.
No chance, I don't want to spend that much.
And it wouldn't be a 12 bit scope, “only” 8.

[KungFuJosh]

I would have to lie if I said I wasn't interested in the SDS7000A.
At work, I'm used to working with larger scopes, so a PC-based scope naturally has its appeal for private use.
But you have to be realistic.
Around 20000€ for a 3Ghz scope, if I bought that, nobody in my immediate environment would love me anymore.

It's settled then! Somebody in your immediate environment is going to win the lottery and buy it for you. In the end, it will only cost you a high five. 😉

[Martin72]

I would only be interested in the performance, the bandwidth less so.
And I like multi-grid, you don't get that with SoC systems either...

[DaneLaw]

24h later.....
Unpacked, more pictures will follow in the days to come.
The fact that the display foil is not present and neither are the front dust caps is not a problem, but it was different with the 2104XHD.

As it turned out today, I wouldn't have been able to get one either, despite ordering over 3 months ago.
They sent me their own demonstration device by mistake (hence the missing display foil and dust caps), but I can keep it until a new one is actually sent out.

This Batronix "mistake" where they seem to ship you their own demo-unit as your new retail unit..
Was it you, that asked Batronix why your SDS3000X HD were missing certain new clothing factors, like screen-foil etc, and then they explained you, that "ups we made a mistake  and shipped you our demo unit" or was it Batronix that gave that info without any inquiry and we made a mistake and its only a temporary and you will get a brand new model when its in stock?

[Martin72]

Hi,
The latter.
If you only have one of them in the house and it's gone, you'll probably notice it sooner.

[hpw]

Hi,
The latter.
If you only have one of them in the house and it's gone, you'll probably notice it sooner.

So happy with today's ISO9001 company's so be prepared

[Performa01]

I have been wondering whether Performa01 might have had a hand in some parts of the SDS800X HD manual (and prior manuals for the same platform). There are some chapters which are a touch above the rest -- say the FFT chapter, and some paragraphs in the Math/Filter section.

Anybody able to offer insights? Just curious... 

I think I'm the best person to answer this: no, I've never consciously contributed to any Siglent manual, I've not even ever reviewed one.

I've always tried to use the instruments intuitively, and only if that failed took a look at the manual - which were very rare cases. Of course, if I found the information there to be incorrect or missing, then I've reported it.

Why did I write "consciously" in the paragraph above? No, I'm not a somnambulist, but I've published a lot of things in this forum, including a deep review of the SDS1004X-E, which might have had some influence one way or the other.