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#700 Reply
Posted by
Howardlong
on 01 Dec, 2015 21:58
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It is difficult to see why these features can't be solved in firmware, although Rigol have apparently previously stated that the 10MHz glitch is hardware related.
When and where did they state this? Do you have a link?
In case it would be an hardware issue, would it mean a new revision of the Rigol DSA815?
Maybe they have already fixed the hardware issue in the mean time in a newer revision?
Is Rigol support in America in the loop on this subject matter already?
I might have misunderstood but there was some suggestion here
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dsa815-tg-10-mhz-issue/msg724279/#msg724279 about that. Bearing in mind our own combined efforts, the symptoms still appear to me to be solvable in firmware.
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According to tests performed by other users, the bug is in the SA WHEN TG is activated. When the TG is OFF the SA works flawless.
So maybe they can fix this in the firmware code for the tracking generator.
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#702 Reply
Posted by
Howardlong
on 02 Dec, 2015 06:22
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According to tests performed by other users, the bug is in the SA WHEN TG is activated. When the TG is OFF the SA works flawless.
So maybe they can fix this in the firmware code for the tracking generator.
Yes, if you have time to read that whole thread, we identified that quite early on. There's also some strangeness in other settings that unexpectedly perform a weird frequency shift in some circumstances. Again, the TG appears correct, it's the SA that uses a different scheme when the TG is on.
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#703 Reply
Posted by
fqahmad66
on 02 Dec, 2015 10:02
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Hi,
This may seem a dumb question. I have following..
Model: DSA815-TG
Version of Main Board : 00.04
Version of Radio Frequency Board FPGA : 00.05
Version of Digital Board FPGA : 00.04
Version of Firmware : 00.01.06
Version of Boot : 00.01.03
All options installed..
will upgrading to ver.0.14 delete the options?
Best Regards
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#704 Reply
Posted by
hammy
on 02 Dec, 2015 16:48
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will upgrading to ver.0.14 delete the options?
No, the options will stay if you already enabled them.
Cheers
hammy
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#705 Reply
Posted by
DD4DA
on 02 Dec, 2015 21:23
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I had testet the actually firmware V1.15 from 01.12.2015 for the DSA-815 (TG) and my device response with a continously beeping and an error message "
413 intermediate frequency signal out of range." just before the initializing are finished.
The firmweare is released at
]http://int.rigol.com/Support/SoftDownload/3] . I attached my version report of the DSA815-TG, who is about 3 Years old and not often used.
I have downgraded to the V1.14 and the Error Message does not occurs - the Spec weorks proper.
I also had testet the Hardcopy programm Bildschirmkopie x64 from 30.11.15 from Peter Dreisiebner also response very slow on the DSA815tg.
To proove the software, connectivity (eth) and Windows 10 (586.11) i had test them with the the scope DS2202 and that works fast as expected.
I had read about some extensions in the hardcopy part of firmware that maybe responsable for that missfunction.
So beware to use the 1.15 if you could'nt downgrade your SA.
vy 73 de DD4DA
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#706 Reply
Posted by
DD4DA
on 02 Dec, 2015 21:43
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I had do a photo of the error message - sorry for the bad quality.
vy 73 de DD4DA
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#707 Reply
Posted by
agronaught
on 02 Dec, 2015 23:31
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I occasionally get this depending on the input. I was surprised to see the message looking at the signal from my GPSDO, but it was there. Tweaking the attenuation under the amplitude menu is usually all it takes to fix the issue, a stronger signal will obviously need external attenuation of course.
J.
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#708 Reply
Posted by
DD4DA
on 03 Dec, 2015 08:07
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agronaught: I had open a ticket at rigol support an reportet the problem and they confirmed and extend my experiences with their own test results. I addidtion to my beeping and error message at init process of the DSA, Rigol germany had found out that the noiselevel is 30dB worse than before.
I also had found out that the SPI command response time is also quite delayed as in my older Firmware 1.09. This delay is also left in the used 1.14. I don't have all releases between 1.09 and 1.14 to check when this started. The software and hardware i used for capturing the screenshots is the same i use for the DS2202 i also own and this response in regular time. As example: í use the prefered program RigolBildschirmkopie v0.9.6 from Peter Dreisiebner to get screenshots and send SCI commands to the device. A device discovery on the ETH interface needs a rerun to get a resonse of the device.
An answer of just an SCI command IDN? needs abou 10sec. A hardcopy of the entire screen need about 10min.
I finaly use the 1.09 again and the DSA works properly and response regular.
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#709 Reply
Posted by
DD4DA
on 03 Dec, 2015 18:49
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Hi Peter,
i got major problems with the if-frequency range, descripted previously and opened a ticket and communicate with the support of Rigol germany. They had confirmed that something is wrong about this issue and their further test with 1.15 firmware offers that the dsa update results also in a poor noise-level - he wrote something about +30dB - thats sound like a problem with if processing part of the firmware. Well, that's their part - i had downgraded my dsa back to 1.14 whre this messages are not shown.
I had done further test a couple of minutes ago and found out that the capturing process of the firmware are more faster if you switch the printer output as "inverse" instead "normal". If i also switch the porgramm option "single-sweep" on, the dsa transfer the screenshot pretty fast. The printmode in "normal" position and "single-sweep" option is on, the capturing time is comparable by a print-putton using the regular USB-memory stick connected on the local device.
It seems that the DSA print process consumes much more cpu time and memory as previously releases of the Firmware.
I git an older DSA815-TG device and mybe they had changed the hardware for further expansions, that's not used in my device. I am not familar with the entire construction of the DSA, so this is just a speculation.
Well, the init failure an error messages at final init of the DSA and a 30dB higher noise level are confirmed in V1.15 by Rigol Germany and will reported to the developer in china.
Many thanks for the firmware collection - thats pretty nice to check out what's happend in the special releases.
In addition, your programm "Bildschirmkopie"works pretty nice and the best i have seen as now and use them with the DS2302 / DS2202 and DSA815-TG. It just do a pretty good job. Thanks for the public avalibility of your work.
vy 73 de Gerhard
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#710 Reply
Posted by
gm0otb
on 09 Dec, 2015 12:36
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Anyone made any progress on the software hack for the newer DSA815?.. Missing the 10Hz BW!
Ray.
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#711 Reply
Posted by
DD4DA
on 09 Dec, 2015 22:00
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Hi Ray,
you are kiddinghttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/Smileys/default/smiley_laughing.gif
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#712 Reply
Posted by
smgvbest
on 10 Dec, 2015 00:23
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I have not had the time to work on it, work and family around this time of year probably won't make any progress.
I'm also far from an expert on this so no promises
Anyone made any progress on the software hack for the newer DSA815?.. Missing the 10Hz BW!
Ray.
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#713 Reply
Posted by
gm0otb
on 10 Dec, 2015 14:03
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No harm in asking!.. Thanks for the replies.
Sandra you know 99.99% more than me!
All the members hard work is greatly appreciated.
Please PM me with any headway or if i can be of any help.
Regards Ray.
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#714 Reply
Posted by
DD4DA
on 10 Dec, 2015 22:40
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@Sandra:
Sandra (Yes, I am a Woman :p )
you kidding - the hell know what this means.
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#715 Reply
Posted by
smgvbest
on 10 Dec, 2015 22:49
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there's back history on it that i won't rehash. check the I2C thread if your curious
@Sandra:
Sandra (Yes, I am a Woman :p )
you kidding - the hell know what this means.
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#716 Reply
Posted by
DD4DA
on 10 Dec, 2015 23:23
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Sanda, that's sound boring anyway - i don't wanna know what some stupids wrote about female doing a technical job or hobby. If they reaches a midlife age, they had learned that there is much more between black and white - maybe :-)
Well, my DSA815-TG is an older one and i am unsure if 10hz bw is available or a possible option. I had never required them - i am a radio amateur on hf and use 100hz some times to see the mixing products close to the main carrier (IMD) of my used exiter and power amplifier.
It's a just for my hobby purposes, not more.
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#717 Reply
Posted by
smgvbest
on 10 Dec, 2015 23:37
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If you have an older one and haven't already I'd go ahead and use riglol and enable everything including the 10hz rbw. but that my opinion. just go here for the web version
http://gotroot.ca/rigol/riglol-103d/
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#718 Reply
Posted by
TheSteve
on 10 Dec, 2015 23:42
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If you have an older one and haven't already I'd go ahead and use riglol and enable everything including the 10hz rbw. but that my opinion. just go here for the web version http://gotroot.ca/rigol/riglol-103d/
I second this - I do believe he has to have older firmware for it to work though, after the keys are entered he can upgrade to the newest if he wishes.
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#719 Reply
Posted by
gm0otb
on 11 Dec, 2015 03:11
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I third it?.. LOL I had one of the early DSA815-TG's and unlocked all options including the 10Hz BW and you can still upgrade your firmware without losing all the options.
Sorry i sold the thing, stuck with the FRAM write protect pin grounded
Also Radio amateur QRV on HF,VHF,UHF, 1.2Ghz & 10Ghz ATV analogue and Digital (DVB-T) mostly homebrew.
Ray (GM0OTB)
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#720 Reply
Posted by
DD4DA
on 11 Dec, 2015 07:29
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...and yes, my DSA815-TG is about 2 years old, used an older version of boot-loader and maybe an older hw revison, who make it possible for me to downgrade again. I have paid for the both parts of vSWR-Option. All other are not required for me as now. I know that's able to unlock all option with the keygen and i also had read the hole thread around the decryption of the entire rigols 2k,4k Scope and older DSA8x anaylzer and was amazed about the knowledge of the programmer who has analyzed, identified and offer the used cipher algorythm. I don't was further surprised that he was later able to write the keygen for that. I had expect that the owner of this eevblog stop the thread if the details of internal cipher method was published because it's not allowed to do this in every country. Themost companies are very sensitive about this kind of issues, even it's a chinese one. That they had noticed, that a keygen is available and reduces their "option business", confirms the modification of the bootloader that stop the downgrade and the further usage of the keygen in later offered firmware releases and newer and higher priced scope and analyzer models that released in the near past.
I actually uses a DSA815TG with the hole VSWR-Option and the advanced messuring Kit that's helpful for th two-tone messurements. The EMI option is actually not required - even i homebrew and repair some of my rf equipments.
I am active on the HF-Bands (mostly doing morese code and using less the microphone), The Satellite operation and all multimode UHF and VHF and SHF radios are sold in the past because i don't use them. The last one is the D-Star radio ic2820h Icom is also boxed again like the homebrewed FM-ATV transmitter since a couple of years. All antennas expect the Diamond X30 are removed because i am not further interessed operate on frequencies upper that 50Mhz. I had done this in the late 80th to 2001 and there is nothing that i wanna do as now.
I had moved my homebrew activities from VHF and upper to HF and lower and do design and programming a modern rotor controller using a 5" TFT-Display and an ARM Cortex M4F. I am not sure if this will be ever published because i see the hole (time consuming) message traffice of K3NG's published one. Most of them had never seen a IDE and would build and customize them. The questions are very basic and could answered by just reading the fucking manual of the stupid arduino manual's. The IDE i use for the ARM-Cortex-M are quite more comlex and powerful - the manual are bigger and more detailed. To publish a source code of such project enters into a nightmare of questions like them from the arduino example of K3NG. I don't want to waste my less getting time to do such. I wanna do working on my radio instead. Actually i rebuild the kitchen with my wife - also a time consuming job that needs to be done quite fast and does'nt required any Rigol's but more tools from Bosch, Makita and Festool. I get retired if this is (ever) finished :-)
vy 73 de Gerhard, DD4DA
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#721 Reply
Posted by
Mosaic
on 07 Jan, 2016 17:29
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I had testet the actually firmware V1.15 from 01.12.2015 for the DSA-815 (TG) and my device response with a continously beeping and an error message "413 intermediate frequency signal out of range." just before the initializing are finished.
The firmweare is released at]http://int.rigol.com/Support/SoftDownload/3] . I attached my version report of the DSA815-TG, who is about 3 Years old and not often used.
I have downgraded to the V1.14 and the Error Message does not occurs - the Spec weorks proper.
I also had testet the Hardcopy programm Bildschirmkopie x64 from 30.11.15 from Peter Dreisiebner also response very slow on the DSA815tg.
To proove the software, connectivity (eth) and Windows 10 (586.11) i had test them with the the scope DS2202 and that works fast as expected.
I had read about some extensions in the hardcopy part of firmware that maybe responsable for that missfunction.
So beware to use the 1.15 if you could'nt downgrade your SA.
vy 73 de DD4DA
I requested an FW for the 815Tg last nite, and they sent me 1.14 not 1.15 as the latest.
BTW I have a genuine EMI and Quasi peak Det. license for sale if anyone is interested.
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#722 Reply
Posted by
mcinque
on 07 Jan, 2016 18:15
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license for sale if anyone is interested.
I guess is legitimate to hack the options for personal use, while it is not if you're reselling the hardware hacked. Am I wrong?
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#723 Reply
Posted by
DD4DA
on 07 Jan, 2016 20:18
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license for sale if anyone is interested.
I guess is legitimate to hack the options for personal use, while it is not if you're reselling the hardware hacked. Am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong - You use an option, a functionality that you have not payed. Software is inmaterial but this needs software and license fee to get them and a bunch of payed employers to build them. If you write a book and published them on a digital media like a cdrom - is it allowd that everybody copy them instead to pay for?
I had payed the option i use and about 400 bugs are cheap for one of them, compared by that from Keysight, R&S, TEK or others.
vy 73 de DD4DA
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#724 Reply
Posted by
mcinque
on 07 Jan, 2016 20:50
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This posts of mine are probably a little bit OT, but I generally agree with you about copying.
But in the example you said, comparing it with the DSA815, it's like you have purchased an e-book stored on a cd rom, that contains another hidden e-book inside, unlockable only by paying another sum of money.
If you can find the way to read the 2nd without paying for it just by hacking the code of the cd-rom and you read it, I doubt you can be sued, this is hacking, the cd-rom is mine and I can/should be free to do what I want with it.
The moment you distribute (even freely) the method you find to read the 2nd book, you are doing illegal activity.