Tariffs

[themadhippy]

My point is, you should have paid the seller to go across border and mail you from within United States.

great idea,until your pulled up at the border for a customs check  and end up still having  to pay the tariffs or worse get done  for smuggling.

[u666sa]

great idea,until your pulled up at the border for a customs check  and end up still having  to pay the tariffs or worse get done  for smuggling.

You don't have to pay anything for your personal item which has been used for a certain amount of time, 6 months or more I believe.

It would be ridiculous to pay duties for your personal items, correct. 

[Monkeh]

great idea,until your pulled up at the border for a customs check  and end up still having  to pay the tariffs or worse get done  for smuggling.

You don't have to pay anything for your personal item which has been used for a certain amount of time, 6 months or more I believe.

It would be ridiculous to pay duties for your personal items, correct. 

It's not your personal item - it's goods sold to another, crossing the border. To represent it otherwise is called fraud. Perhaps fraud is encouraged where you're from, or by those pulling your strings..

[themadhippy]

It would be ridiculous to pay duties for your personal items, correct.

correct,however how are you going to prove the item has returned to its country of origin at the end of its holiday across the border?

[tggzzz]

great idea,until your pulled up at the border for a customs check  and end up still having  to pay the tariffs or worse get done  for smuggling.

You don't have to pay anything for your personal item which has been used for a certain amount of time, 6 months or more I believe.

It would be ridiculous to pay duties for your personal items, correct. 

It's not your personal item - it's goods sold to another, crossing the border. To represent it otherwise is called fraud. Perhaps fraud is encouraged where you're from, or by those pulling your strings..

u666sa is from Sochi in Russia.

Yea I know. I have an appartment in Sochi, Russia, and there the walls are concrete and steel, 2.4 GHz WiFi still has longer range than 5 GHz.

He has apparently emigrated to the USA


It almost certainly is different in Russia, especially so if you are wearing a PMC (Private Military Company) Wagner badge.
https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/96821100?v=4

[zapta]

Beware of fake Russians.

For example, the one below is fake, American born Kyle Lamar Myers.

https://youtu.be/UoFikuoIwLw?si=UBDZNHJ-tFMcA6g7

[tggzzz]

Beware of fake Russians.

For example, the one below is fake, American born Kyle Lamar Myers.

https://youtu.be/UoFikuoIwLw?si=UBDZNHJ-tFMcA6g7

Beware of fake anything.

During the British Empire, people were wary of those who "went native" or "changed religion". Sure there was a degree of self-preservation in that sentiment, but also a recognition that there was probably a reason someone did not "fit in there", and the reason might also be relevant "here".

OTOH, the USA was the place where people went to improve their lot, and where people who had decided to live there were welcomed. That seems to have changed, but why? The best explanation I've seen is from Piketty, who notes the importance of obtaining money from owning things relative to doing things. Until recently the USA prided itself on being a nation of do-ers, but over the past couple of decades it has swapped so that the very rich become even richer simply because they own and "rent" things. Piketty points to what that has lead to in various places at various times in history; it isn't pretty.

[TimFox]

I was quite impressed by Piketty's work when it came out, especially the use of statistics over several centuries, when available.
I was hoping for a revised edition, that would update the data, but I don't believe his later publications provide that.
Original book:  Le Capital au XXIe siècle (2013), English translation by Arthur Goldhammer:  Capital in the 21st Century (2014)

[zapta]

OTOH, the USA was the place where people went to improve their lot, and where people who had decided to live there were welcomed.

People keep forgetting that the US is also a sovereign country with borders and the right to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

If you are for open borders, advocate for it in your own country.

[tggzzz]

OTOH, the USA was the place where people went to improve their lot, and where people who had decided to live there were welcomed.

People keep forgetting that the US is also a sovereign country with borders and the right to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

If you are for open borders, advocate for it in your own country.

True, but if you listen carefully you can hear the whooooosh the point makes as it whizzes past you.

There's none so deaf as thems won't hear.

[vad]

great idea,until your pulled up at the border for a customs check  and end up still having  to pay the tariffs or worse get done  for smuggling.

You don't have to pay anything for your personal item which has been used for a certain amount of time, 6 months or more I believe.

It would be ridiculous to pay duties for your personal items, correct. 

Your fellow countrywoman, a researcher from Harvard University, was recently detained at a border checkpoint for smuggling goods into the USA without declaring them. She faces a sentence of up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000, and has already spent 3 months in custody. Prosecutors allege that text messages on her phone indicated an intention to bypass customs declarations.

This should give you a rough idea of the potential consequences of your “smart” suggestion.

As they used to tell travelers entering Australia: “Declare or beware”.

[Monkeh]

u666sa is from Sochi in Russia.

Yes, I'm well aware. I've been on to him since just about his first post.

People keep forgetting that the US is also a sovereign country with borders and the right to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

No, nobody here is forgetting that or needs reminding. Your history, however, is something you seem keen on forgetting.

[AVGresponding]

u666sa is from Sochi in Russia.

Yes, I'm well aware. I've been on to him since just about his first post.

People keep forgetting that the US is also a sovereign country with borders and the right to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

No, nobody here is forgetting that or needs reminding. Your history, however, is something you seem keen on forgetting.

Indeed

[tszaboo]

u666sa is from Sochi in Russia.

Yes, I'm well aware. I've been on to him since just about his first post.

People keep forgetting that the US is also a sovereign country with borders and the right to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

No, nobody here is forgetting that or needs reminding. Your history, however, is something you seem keen on forgetting.

Must be nice living in a country where you had to never defend your border.
Please go ahead and tell the rest of us how we are lesser people than you...

[Zoli]

...
Must be nice living in a country where you had to never defend your border.
Please go ahead and tell the rest of us how we are lesser people than you...

To adapt a quote from my army commander:
The British empire left behind nothing but litter, feces and pregnant women. Now the word has to deal with kids(Mafia, Sykes-Picot agreement etc).

[TimFox]

At least the Romans left roads, bridges, and amphitheaters in their wake.

[themadhippy]

At least the Romans left roads, bridges, and amphitheaters in their wake.

And the aqueducts

[Monkeh]

u666sa is from Sochi in Russia.

Yes, I'm well aware. I've been on to him since just about his first post.

People keep forgetting that the US is also a sovereign country with borders and the right to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

No, nobody here is forgetting that or needs reminding. Your history, however, is something you seem keen on forgetting.

Must be nice living in a country where you had to never defend your border.
Please go ahead and tell the rest of us how we are lesser people than you...

Never had to defend our border?

What alternate universe are you from, exactly?

[tggzzz]

u666sa is from Sochi in Russia.

Yes, I'm well aware. I've been on to him since just about his first post.

People keep forgetting that the US is also a sovereign country with borders and the right to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

No, nobody here is forgetting that or needs reminding. Your history, however, is something you seem keen on forgetting.

Must be nice living in a country where you had to never defend your border.
Please go ahead and tell the rest of us how we are lesser people than you...

That's a remarkably revealing statement. It doesn't reflect well on your knowledge and judgement.

But it doesn't surprise me.

[tszaboo]

u666sa is from Sochi in Russia.

Yes, I'm well aware. I've been on to him since just about his first post.

People keep forgetting that the US is also a sovereign country with borders and the right to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

No, nobody here is forgetting that or needs reminding. Your history, however, is something you seem keen on forgetting.

Must be nice living in a country where you had to never defend your border.
Please go ahead and tell the rest of us how we are lesser people than you...

Never had to defend our border?

What alternate universe are you from, exactly?

Tell me when was the last time you had an occupying army, like the russian army, in your country. And then some crackhead online calling you racist because you didn't want to voluntarily invite those people back into your country as immigrants?
And then you guys are calling the fights done by your grandfathers as "your fight". Once again, which one of you, personally, had to face foreign solders within your country.

[tggzzz]

u666sa is from Sochi in Russia.

Yes, I'm well aware. I've been on to him since just about his first post.

People keep forgetting that the US is also a sovereign country with borders and the right to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

No, nobody here is forgetting that or needs reminding. Your history, however, is something you seem keen on forgetting.

Must be nice living in a country where you had to never defend your border.
Please go ahead and tell the rest of us how we are lesser people than you...

Never had to defend our border?

What alternate universe are you from, exactly?

Tell me when was the last time you had an occupying army, like the russian army, in your country. And then some crackhead online calling you racist because you didn't want to voluntarily invite those people back into your country as immigrants?
And then you guys are calling the fights done by your grandfathers as "your fight". Once again, which one of you, personally, had to face foreign solders within your country.

Well - after ignoring the rant - that's a significantly different question.

One simple answer to both questions is, of course, WW2.

[Analog Kid]

Well, in the case of the US, that country--my country--was always the aggressor, never the victim, when it came to expansionism and territorial acquisition. Just ask the Mexicans about that. (Hello, Texas!)

BTW, since we're on the topic of immigration, I always like to think of what our Latino neighbors to our south have to say about that:

"We didn't cross the border; the border crossed us."

[coppercone2]

its a little more complicated then that, sometimes there was some justification for those expansions, akin to fighting terrorists. At least that's what the official reason was for some Mexican incursions. To fight the banditos. Not much has changed in that regard, they are called Cartels now. And there was kind of a Cuba thing going on, with supposed foreign sponsored coups (kind of like Germany causing uprisings) and such.

i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition

But in the end it kind of has that 'special military operation' vibe to it. But its important to know how they were BSing in Washington about these kind of things

Same thing that seems to happen everywhere, some brave settlers settle where they probably should not have settled and then some force terrorizes them (some rape, pillage, threats, etc) and then there is a over blown response due to lack of police/justice systems in the area , and then it escalates because two groups of politicians get some kind of information about it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandit_War

I think it would be very hard to get accurate information due to the intense amounts of 'yellow journalism' that all the major powers had going on around that time, which probobly lead to the world wars


It is interesting how ugly borders can be. Another one that comes to mind is the border between Albania and Yugoslavia during the cold war (two communist states). They had state sponsored 'banditos' too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian%E2%80%93Yugoslav_border_conflict_(1948%E2%80%931954)


And of course you have the problems created by irregulars ,  i.e. 'bushwackers' in old terminology that were used to kind of like manage... not very populated or important territories during a time of war. The politicians officially settled a matter and then you had kind of extreme groups that had little communication and discipline who would keep doing whatever they were doing because it was profitable. During a time of war they got support and then when it ended you essentially had people with no skills that turned into a militarized mafia that ended up causing severe trouble and reigniting things... very similar to al quida or whatever other organizations you can think of but in the 1800's

[Monkeh]

Tell me when was the last time you had an occupying army, like the russian army, in your country. And then some crackhead online calling you racist because you didn't want to voluntarily invite those people back into your country as immigrants?
And then you guys are calling the fights done by your grandfathers as "your fight". Once again, which one of you, personally, had to face foreign solders within your country.

What the hell does that have to do with anything we were talking about?

[Sal Ammoniac]

The U.S. Court of International Trade ruled unanimously that Trump’s tariffs are unconstitutional. All of them.

It remains to be seen if this sticks and the tariffs go away.