and the pain in my side:
"One-year software maintenance that provides access to new firmware releases with updates"
"Maintenance for software: Maintenance license offers access to any software updates within the active period"
no firmware for you!Totally unacceptable, especially in a new product that will have firmware issues that need fixing. I assume at least the first year will be included ?
The power supply is probably external.
It would be idiotic to make it so thin that it requires an external power supply. This isn't a TV set that needs to appeal to aesthetically minded housewives, it's a tool for professional engineers.
Digital input channels (optional, available in future) < WTF is this future bit ?
and the pain in my side:
"One-year software maintenance that provides access to new firmware releases with updates"
"Maintenance for software: Maintenance license offers access to any software updates within the active period"
no firmware for you!Totally unacceptable, especially in a new product that will have firmware issues that need fixing. I assume at least the first year will be included ?
You generally wouldn't hand hold it, you'd take it with you somewhere and place it down. Being able to move your scope anywhere without dicking around with power, or simply disconnecting from the mains to prevent common mode noise pickup can be a big deal.
You generally wouldn't hand hold it, you'd take it with you somewhere and place it down. Being able to move your scope anywhere without dicking around with power, or simply disconnecting from the mains to prevent common mode noise pickup can be a big deal.
and the pain in my side:
"One-year software maintenance that provides access to new firmware releases with updates"
"Maintenance for software: Maintenance license offers access to any software updates within the active period"
no firmware for you!Totally unacceptable, especially in a new product that will have firmware issues that need fixing. I assume at least the first year will be included ?Its totally unacceptable that basic software fixes, like security fixes, are not provided free for the life of a product like this. Charging for functional improvements is up for debate, but companies who won't provide free fixes for basic flaws in the original shipping product that will affect its long term usability should be shunned.
So the screen is a membrane screen, not a touch screen?
Screen is capacitive touch. Buttons are membrane.
and the pain in my side:
"One-year software maintenance that provides access to new firmware releases with updates"
"Maintenance for software: Maintenance license offers access to any software updates within the active period"
no firmware for you!Totally unacceptable, especially in a new product that will have firmware issues that need fixing. I assume at least the first year will be included ?
You'd think so. Would be insane not to.
You generally wouldn't hand hold it, you'd take it with you somewhere and place it down. Being able to move your scope anywhere without dicking around with power, or simply disconnecting from the mains to prevent common mode noise pickup can be a big deal.More specifically, when you are out working on large systems, the ability to pop a compact instrument into some nook or cranny that's within a test lead's length of the point of interest is a huge boon.
and the pain in my side:
"One-year software maintenance that provides access to new firmware releases with updates"
"Maintenance for software: Maintenance license offers access to any software updates within the active period"
no firmware for you!Totally unacceptable, especially in a new product that will have firmware issues that need fixing. I assume at least the first year will be included ?
You'd think so. Would be insane not to.I find it weird that this oscilloscope has a 1 year warranty where other Tektronix equipment typically has 3 years of warranty. IMHO it is better to wait for the official announcement and see what turns up on Tektronix' website before jumping to conclusions.
QuoteI find it weird that this oscilloscope has a 1 year warranty where other Tektronix equipment typically has 3 years of warranty.Yet loud and clear in the datasheet is:
R3 Standard warranty extended to 3 years. Covers parts, labor cost, and 2-day shipping within country.
Guarantees faster repair time than without coverage. All repairs include calibration and updates. Hassle
free - a single call starts the process
R5 Standard warranty extended to 5 years. Covers parts, labor cost, and 2-day shipping within country.
Guarantees faster repair time than without coverage. All repairs include calibration and updates. Hassle
free - a single call starts the process
...
What's clearer than that...each one is an additional $ cost.
and the pain in my side:
"One-year software maintenance that provides access to new firmware releases with updates"
"Maintenance for software: Maintenance license offers access to any software updates within the active period"
no firmware for you!Totally unacceptable, especially in a new product that will have firmware issues that need fixing. I assume at least the first year will be included ?
Oh, how out of date can they get:
Digital pattern generator (optional)
Serial protocol triggering and analysis (optional)
Digital voltmeter and frequency counter (optional)
Digital channels (optional)
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Arbitrary function generator (optional)
Battery pack (optional)
Fair enough on those last two, but not really trying to compete with the opposition.Their entire scope business is built around this model. Absolutely no surprises there at all. All of their major competitors like Keysight, R&S, and Lecroy do the same thing.
It's smart not to get into a race to the bottom when you are a top shelf player. You can always have specials bundling options.Well, in last 3000G series Keysight gives away basic protocols trigger decode...Also in 1000 series...
So some do realize that ship has sailed...They have to because they are still milking a 12 year old ASIC with limited memory. Much harder to compete these days.
You can pull all the singular corner case negative examples you like that no-one would realistically consider as an alternative, but actually looking in this bracket the Tek isn't jumping out on anything.
and the pain in my side:
"One-year software maintenance that provides access to new firmware releases with updates"
"Maintenance for software: Maintenance license offers access to any software updates within the active period"
no firmware for you!Totally unacceptable, especially in a new product that will have firmware issues that need fixing. I assume at least the first year will be included ?
You'd think so. Would be insane not to.I find it weird that this oscilloscope has a 1 year warranty where other Tektronix equipment typically has 3 years of warranty. IMHO it is better to wait for the official announcement and see what turns up on Tektronix' website before jumping to conclusions.Yet loud and clear in the datasheet is:
So the screen is a membrane screen, not a touch screen?
Screen is capacitive touch. Buttons are membrane.
Yup, which begs the question as to how valid this point is :"You wouldn't want cap touch when hand holding it, you could quite easily accidently activate them."
If you had capacitive front panel buttons as suggested it would be a complete PIA if you hand hold or grab the side and move it around.
The cap touch screen can be turned off if needed, button on the front for that.
QuoteI'm unconvinced of the widescale benefit of it being handheld: one hand to hold it, one hand to hold the probe in place, one had to control it. Niche cases, yes, but not for most purposes.
You generally wouldn't hand hold it, you'd take it with you somewhere and place it down. Being able to move your scope anywhere without dicking around with power, or simply disconnecting from the mains to prevent common mode noise pickup can be a big deal.
You can pull all the singular corner case negative examples you like that no-one would realistically consider as an alternative, but actually looking in this bracket the Tek isn't jumping out on anything.
..... with VESA mount and rack mount option.
Those features are rather niche that I doubt these make good selling points. Also VNC is outdated; nowadays most DSOs have remote web operation that doesn't need specific client software other than a web browser. On top of that VNC has become a bit of a moving target as well; it isn't as standard as it used to be. I while ago I have implemented remote VNC operation for a project for one of my customers but it used to be much easier to use VNC than it is nowadays.
Those features are rather niche that I doubt these make good selling points.
The VESA mount is a feature I wish Siglent would employ, very handy for certain lab use.