Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD

[Antonio90]

Happy new year everyone.

I haven't seen the 3000X-HD chinese pricing posted yet. We were told by a forum member that siglent.com prices do include chinese VAT. ¿Could we have the chinese VAT rate posted? To compare net prices if anyone is interested.

                                                                                          assuming 15% made up VAT:

SDS3034X HD: ¥27,880 ~ €3,559.36 ~ $3,905.31            €3,095.09 Net
SDS2104X HD: ¥13,880 ~ €1,771.82 ~ $1,944.25            €1540,71  Net
SDS1104X HD: ¥6,680 ~ €852.62 ~ $935.71                    €740.87 Net.

The exchange rates are fluctuating quite a bit, they have actually changed while I was writing the post. The VAT is just made up, will correct it if someone points me to the correct number.

[Martin72]

Hi,

I haven't seen the 3000X-HD chinese pricing posted yet.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds3000x-hd-and-upgraded-sds1000x-hd/msg5141898/#msg5141898

 

[Antonio90]

Hi,

I haven't seen the 3000X-HD chinese pricing posted yet.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds3000x-hd-and-upgraded-sds1000x-hd/msg5141898/#msg5141898

 

Oh well. The rate is now more beneficial to EU buyers. Does that count as new, relevant info? 

[Martin72]

If I see it correctly, the prices for the 3000X HD have remained the same, the prices for the 2000X HD have almost halved, a bit of a shock for people like me who paid 3500€, but there's no sign of that here.
Not yet.

[Antonio90]

Yes, I meant the exchange rates. And an hypothetical european "outlaw" buying in China.
I actually had the oportunity to have a friend buy me one, as she was in China for some time, but came back already.

If I see it correctly, the prices for the 3000X HD have remained the same, the prices for the 2000X HD have almost halved, a bit of a shock for people like me who paid 3500€, but there's no sign of that here.
Not yet.

I'm afraid of falling into the trap of "for just a few bucks more I can have a 2000X-HD" if they were to reduce that ~40-45% in Europe too.
I'm kind of expectant now. These differences in price are starting to make attractive buying from China.

I won't, most likely, as I had a GWInstek scope from Tequipment fail on me the first day of using it, a few years ago. Thankfully they were really good with the return, but the shipping to Europe and back to USA ate my tiny savings back then (didn't have a job yet), and I spent the next 10 months without a scope.

[Martin72]

I'm afraid of falling into the trap of "for just a few bucks more I can have a 2000X-HD" if they were to reduce that ~40-45% in Europe too.

If the 3000X HD comes onto the domestic market and then at the same price, which is currently the same as the 2000X HD series here, there can only be two possibilities.
Either the 2000 series becomes drastically cheaper or it disappears from the market.
I think the former, as you can see from the price collapse in China.

[hpw]

SDS3034X HD: ¥27,880 ~ €3,559.36 ~ $3,905.31            €3,095.09 Net
SDS2104X HD: ¥13,880 ~ €1,771.82 ~ $1,944.25            €1540,71  Net
SDS1104X HD: ¥6,680 ~ €852.62 ~ $935.71                    €740.87 Net.

SDS2000X HD series as

ERES Enhanced bit: 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3 bits

SDS3000X HD series

as currently opened and it looks X series and A series any different.


SDS6000A series as

9-bit: 0.25*Sample rate, up to the analog bandwidth
10-bit: 0.115*Sample rate, up to 1.15 GHz, limited by the analog bandwidth
11-bit: 0.055*Sample rate, up to 550 MHz, limited by the analog bandwidth
12-bit: 0.028*Sample rate, up to 280 MHz
13-bit: 0.014*Sample rate, up to 140 MHz
14-bit: 0.007*Sample rate, up to 70 MHz
15-bit: 0.0035*Sample rate, up to 35 MHz
16-bit: 0.0017*Sample rate, up to 17 MHz

SDS7000A series

Enhanced bits:
0.5: 0.25*Sample rate, up to the analog bandwidth
1: 0.115*Sample rate, up to 2.3 GHz, limited by the analog bandwidth
1.5: 0.055*Sample rate, up to 1.1 GHz, limited by the analog bandwidth
2: 0.028*Sample rate, up to 560 MHz
2.5: 0.014*Sample rate, up to 280 MHz
3: 0.007*Sample rate, up to 140 MHz
3.5: 0.0035*Sample rate, up to 70 MHz
4: 0.0017*Sample rate, up to 34 MHz

So in some way not easy to compare, as noise floor and ERES... even from equal company.

hp

[tautech]

Happy New Year!

Q1...so some time in late March? 😉

Before then.
3 new 12bit model ranges.

Release date is already set, let’s see if it can be kept. 

[KungFuJosh]

Release date is already set, let’s see if it can be kept. 

Damn, and here I forgot my decoder ring, so I won't know until they're out. 😉

[points2]

hi hpw,
cool your post above (I don't quote it)
Exactly the figures that make me "!?"
Oscilloscope market is a spec jungle 

[Martin72]

Not really...
SDS6000 pro H12 +4 bits Eres
SDS6000A (8bits) + 8bits Eres...
How can that work, but only if...

@Tautech:
If so, then a new thread should be created, otherwise nobody will be able to see through it.

[tautech]

Not really...
SDS6000 pro H12 +4 bits Eres
SDS6000A (8bits) + 8bits Eres...
How can that work, but only if...

@Tautech:
If so, then a new thread should be created, otherwise nobody will be able to see through it.

Just a different SW configuration and which ever way you look at it the max is 16bit capability, is not your 2kX HD the same ?

[Martin72]

No, native 12 bit plus 3 bit Eres...

[tautech]

No, native 12 bit plus 3 bit Eres...

Close then, 15bits.

[Antonio90]

Q1...so some time in late March? 😉

Before then.
3 new 12bit model ranges.

Release date is already set, let’s see if it can be kept. 

Not before Chinese New Year, I'd guess, because they want all the bases manned when the new products go out. That would put it to late February or early March.

Unless the first batch is already on its way I guess. Didn't think of that.

[2N3055]

They have support in regional offices in  EU and NA.

[2N3055]

They have support in regional offices in  EU and NA.

Sure, but the products will be new to those guys too. I was thinking of second-level support back at base.

But who knows -- maybe Signlent is so confident in the new products, or has trained their EU and US staff so well, that they can pull the "Release!" trigger before CNY and go on holidays.

Like I said before..

These are not clean slate designs. They all use same software platform. All of these scopes are used same way. So support tech that has been supporting SDS2000X HD already knows everything on how scope is  used, trigger types, math, measurements, etc.
That is beauty of this new Siglent platform, you can teach people on SDS800X HD and they will know how to use 90% of 6000A, except eye diagrams and such. Everything is the same, Bode, Power analysis etc..
And that is majority of support requests. People new to the platform learning how to use it.

Unlike Rigol that went with clean slate design and needs time to establish whole support structure (which because of rushing to market they didn't do upfront).Every manufacturer faces same challenges. But it depends on manufacturer what strategy they choose to "attack" the problem. When you execute strategy right, synergies arise...

[2N3055]

I don't mean to argue whether Siglent are running their business well -- I am just curious about the release date. 

I'm not arguing either, just factually responded to your sentences..

Yeah, I'm curious too....

[Martin72]

Not me.
Joking aside, Q1 has already started, so the time has become foreseeable.

[mawyatt]

These are not clean slate designs. They all use same software platform. All of these scopes are used same way. So support tech that has been supporting SDS2000X HD already knows everything on how scope is  used, trigger types, math, measurements, etc.
That is beauty of this new Siglent platform, you can teach people on SDS800X HD and they will know how to use 90% of 6000A, except eye diagrams and such. Everything is the same, Bode, Power analysis etc..
And that is majority of support requests. People new to the platform learning how to use it.

They got that from way back with the old HP and Tektronix, everything just worked as expected and even new instruments didn't require a deep dive into the instruction manuals. One of the reasons we didn't consider any other TE OEMs back then, we didn't have the time to learn and understand the way different TE OEMS equipment behaved, so mostly stuck with HP and Tek.

Many folks that have never worked in the R&D electronics field, don't understand the implied cost of learning new equipment. The learning curve cost of a new instrument can easily consume a large fraction of the instrument cost in a high valued R&D lab. Sure for smaller operations and hobby types, one can "hide" this learning curve cost, or often have employees learn on their own time (old bean counter trick sold as Lunch & Learn where we once worked). This becomes difficult at larger facilities/labs where the equipment must stay "in place" and often forces one to stay "after hours" to learn how to use such, and often this required 2 people in many labs, especially with dangerous capability, and made things more difficult.

So having a buildable "platform" is a good approach for both the end user and the OEM

HP and Tek knew this way back, but somehow seemed to forget as time moved on

Best, 

[slugrustle]

I run a web search for the SDS3000X HD on occasion.  The latest such search turned up the attached English language datasheet.

This scope certainly has my interest piqued.  Right now, I've got an SDS2000X+, and it's great for everything I need to do (except small signal noise floor, but I have a pico 4262 for that).  The smartest thing is probably to be happy with the 2000X+, lol.

[Martin72]

The smartest thing is probably to be happy with the 2000X+, lol.

I was happy with my MSO5000, then I was happy with my SDS2504Xplus, then I was very happy with my SDS2504X HD....

[KungFuJosh]

I was happy with my MSO5000, then I was happy with my SDS2504Xplus, then I was very happy with my SDS2504X HD....

Hopefully you'll be happy with your SDS3000X HD for a couple years before you're happy with the next one... 😉

[Martin72]

A few more weeks and then we'll see how happy you can be with it.

[tautech]

A few more weeks and then we'll see how happy you can be with it.

Chatting with a beta tester recently and it is his new favourite box from Siglent.....and he has a good few. 
No it wasn't Performa01 either.