I didn't realise I should discount everything he says because of that though.I didn't say that, I was just wondering if this is a minority that has the power and wants to keep the power and that might be the reason for his opinion. If that is a good thing or not, i don't care. Just interested in someones agenda and then listen to him with that agenda in mind
But I believe the lists of candidates are decided on by the individual political parties, unless someone stands as an independent.
So how is this different from the EU where the members are (s)elected inside the parties ?
All I am saying is that by his own definition of lack of democracy he is part of the same practice. If you want to run tomorrow you are not getting on the list.
Most people do not realize how little democratic their democracy really is. BTW the same here in Holland, same crappy system.
QuoteOne thing really bothers me is that there were clearly few major-class false claims and promises in the pro-Brexit campain which could have had a profound effect on the result.
isn't that a good thing? Sounds like you are saying that the pro-Brexit camp won in spite of making fewer claims / promises.
or you think they should have lied more?
QuoteOne thing really bothers me is that there were clearly few major-class false claims and promises in the pro-Brexit campain which could have had a profound effect on the result.
isn't that a good thing? Sounds like you are saying that the pro-Brexit camp won in spite of making fewer claims / promises.
or you think they should have lied more?
Hah Sorry, language issue, my bad. Made the correction into my original posting.
QuoteOne thing really bothers me is that there were clearly few major-class false claims and promises in the pro-Brexit campain which could have had a profound effect on the result.
isn't that a good thing? Sounds like you are saying that the pro-Brexit camp won in spite of making fewer claims / promises.
or you think they should have lied more?
Hah Sorry, language issue, my bad. Made the correction into my original posting.
If you want to claim that the Brexit side lied that's fine. It's all a matter of scale.
The remain side claimed that Brexit would start WW III.
Both sides lied. I wonder if the result would be any different if both sides only told the truth?
Oh. Good. Grief.
Translation: I can't explain my idea, so my ideological opponents must do it for me.
Original: "Boris Johnson has accused the government of failing to explain how the vote to leave the EU can be made to work in the UK's interests."
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700468
Welcome to the 1930s, in the Weimar Republic.
Oh. Good. Grief.
Translation: I can't explain my idea, so my ideological opponents must do it for me.
Original: "Boris Johnson has accused the government of failing to explain how the vote to leave the EU can be made to work in the UK's interests."
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700468
You are quoting the BBC headline interpretation of what BJ said (or not said, as might be the case) and translate from it! Ouch!
Given the gravity of the situation, even if there is only 10% truth (whatever that might mean) to the reports, it is effing disgraceful and very worrying for the future. There should be zero need for any remotely similar headlines.
The positions (whether or not you agree with them) should be so self-evident that no explanation should be necessary.
The Brexit turnout was 72% which means that 28% didn't vote for a reason or another. Leave won with 52% while Remain lost with 48%, which means that 37% of all Britons wanted to Leave, 35% wanted to remain and 28% didn't state their opinions. We can of course speculate why the remaining 28% didn't vote: Either they didn't care, the status quo is just fine, or due to some other reason. Nevertheless, the Leave votes doesn't represent the majority of the Britons (only 37%), although the Leave votes represent the majority of the voters.
One thing really bothers me is that there were clearly some major-class false claims and promises in the pro-Brexit campaign which could have had a profound effect on the result.
The only proper way to handle elections is to REQUIRE people to vote.
QuoteOne thing really bothers me is that there were clearly some major-class false claims and promises in the pro-Brexit campaign which could have had a profound effect on the result.
That can be difficult to do.
Cameron exit
Johnson exit
Farage exit
Who is going to take it on her/his shoulders to bare the responsibility?
QuoteOne thing really bothers me is that there were clearly some major-class false claims and promises in the pro-Brexit campaign which could have had a profound effect on the result.
That can be difficult to do.
It took hours, not days, for several prominent pro-Brexiters to whine "I didn't say that" when presented with the claims made by Brexiteers. They knew they were lies, and they chose not to correct the lies being made by their own campaign.
And if you want to see deceitful squirming w.r.t. "black" propaganda before the vote, have a look at the questioning and (lack of) answers in this Parliamentary committee where Dominic Cummings is questioned by Andrew Tyrie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fJjShkGCa4c#t=661
I came across one of those leaflets a few months ago, and I was taken in by it for a few minutes.
Please don't bring up the lies told by the other side: two wrongs don't make a right. One side isn't responsible for the claims made by the other - but they damn well ought to be responsible for what their own side says.
QuoteOne thing really bothers me is that there were clearly some major-class false claims and promises in the pro-Brexit campaign which could have had a profound effect on the result.
That can be difficult to do.
It took hours, not days, for several prominent pro-Brexiters to whine "I didn't say that" when presented with the claims made by Brexiteers. They knew they were lies, and they chose not to correct the lies being made by their own campaign.
And if you want to see deceitful squirming w.r.t. "black" propaganda before the vote, have a look at the questioning and (lack of) answers in this Parliamentary committee where Dominic Cummings is questioned by Andrew Tyrie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fJjShkGCa4c#t=661
I came across one of those leaflets a few months ago, and I was taken in by it for a few minutes.
Please don't bring up the lies told by the other side: two wrongs don't make a right. One side isn't responsible for the claims made by the other - but they damn well ought to be responsible for what their own side says.
I'm disappointed that truthful/accurate information was generally NOT supplied to the electorate.
For a referendum, it would be much better (in my opinion), if (politically) independent bodies could be funded, who report to the electorate, with reliable/truthful/accurate/un-biased facts/opinions, as to the referendum situation.
As it was the politicians put their own slants on the information, and news sources want to (typically) gain as many views/publicity as possible, so they tend to exaggerate and leave out less popular stuff.
The Scottish (exit the UK) referendum was similar, and I was very disappointed in the apparent lies and/or exaggerations etc of the leave the UK campaign.
It appears that the western countries that have proportional representation tend to have higher voter turnouts than countries, like the UK and the US, that don't.
Precisely. The debate was a national disgrace and made me ashamed to be British.
I'm disappointed that truthful/accurate information was generally NOT supplied to the electorate (politically).
For a referendum, it would be much better (in my opinion), if (politically) independent bodies could be funded, who report to the electorate, with reliable/truthful/accurate/un-biased facts/opinions, as to the referendum situation.
Even if there were such a thing as independent organisation, that still would have been money flushed down the drain IMO, because the truth simply is, nobody knows what is going to happen now.
But thanks to the UK voters we are going to find out what happens next.
When I voted to join what was then the EEC I never voted for Political union.
because the truth simply is, nobody knows what is going to happen now.