You won't be surprised to know that V8 has been patched already, twice, one to remove registration and it's 14 day annoyance - still operating with freeware limitations. Another patch has been produced to unlock the limitations of the freeware edition.
You won't be surprised to know that V8 has been patched already, twice, one to remove registration and it's 14 day annoyance - still operating with freeware limitations. Another patch has been produced to unlock the limitations of the freeware edition.
Didn't take long!
Did they migrate the V8 to Qt? I noticed they included all the dll's and didn't do a static link, which would indicate they are using the GPL version of Qt.
Meaning the source of eagle can be requested?
You won't be surprised to know that V8 has been patched already, twice, one to remove registration and it's 14 day annoyance - still operating with freeware limitations. Another patch has been produced to unlock the limitations of the freeware edition.
Didn't take long!
Do you have a link to this?
You guys are funny. Microsoft, Adobe and many others have moved to a subscription model. I wonder why...
I'm pretty sure it wasn't because they were unable to afford to pay their developers to continually develop their software, as you assert is the issue above.
You won't be surprised to know that V8 has been patched already, twice, one to remove registration and it's 14 day annoyance - still operating with freeware limitations. Another patch has been produced to unlock the limitations of the freeware edition.
Didn't take long!
Do you have a link to this?
Are you willing to take the risks of running some cracked software, complete with some lovely bundled malware added to it as an extra income stream? LSGTFY and do some darknet queries. Dave is not going to allow this kind of link on the forum, it is outright piracy, and he really does not like DMCA take downs being served on him.
Don't forget the time and thus money it will take to go to another softwarepackage.
I personally think that people will stick with their old perpetual version till they really can not anymore, such as that the OS does not run it properly anymore.
One thing all Eagle users are already used to is that it does not have state of the art tech, there were not many valuable updates or significant improvements, so the current version can stil last a decade. Time enough to slowly transfer somewhere else, leaving Autodesk with no customers and no income.Another good point. PCB software has little need to be updated to be useable - PCBs today are no different to PCBs 10 years ago except possibly in scale. I still use a 10 year old package and there isn't much I find lacking, certainly not enough to invest time in learning a whole new package.
3D integration is about the only major thing that has happened in the PCB market in recent years, and many users can happily live without it.
It's hard to see what Autodesk could do in the way of new features on top of the baggage they've inherited to make it attractive enough to new users for them to invest in it.
- Most importantly: get rid of their new rights to siphon your data/files into their servers. Again, can't understand why this isn't what folks are screaming about the loudest
Probably because all the folks are not even considering accepting that EULA. I wouldn't
Who reads an EULA? Almost no-one.
You won't be surprised to know that V8 has been patched already, twice, one to remove registration and it's 14 day annoyance - still operating with freeware limitations. Another patch has been produced to unlock the limitations of the freeware edition.
Didn't take long!
Do you have a link to this?
Are you willing to take the risks of running some cracked software, complete with some lovely bundled malware added to it as an extra income stream? LSGTFY and do some darknet queries. Dave is not going to allow this kind of link on the forum, it is outright piracy, and he really does not like DMCA take downs being served on him.
He said patched, not hacked/cracked, so I assumed he was talking about legit patches.
The other part of my assertion is that the boom/bust financial cycle of the old-school update system is just miserable for those on the development side. Wanting a stable source of revenue is not evil. It is what good people want for their employees.
"It is what good people want for their employees"
That is one seriously generous interpretation to put on these changes.
Me. I'm not nearly so charitable. I won't go so far as condemning them as greedy scumbags. Yet.
We have always provided support for major releases. We provided support for version 6 until version 7 came out. We provide support for version 7 until version 8 comes out. This doesn’t prevent you from using the user forums (all of which we host) and receiving replies either from the support teams or fellow users as necessary.
This is completely inaccurate but I appreciate you bringing it up, so we can tease out just what this means. When you purchased a previous license, you did so under a Cadsoft license agreement. We have no authority or interest in doing anything to that license as it was a different legal framework by which you made that agreement. Under subscription, there is no “major” release and thus that clause would never apply ...i.e. version 8.0 of EAGLE is only a version number for convenience...as we move forward, this is just EAGLE and there is no major “Upgrade” like there was in the past, thus nothing to force anyone to stop using an older license.
The other part of my assertion is that the boom/bust financial cycle of the old-school update system is just miserable for those on the development side. Wanting a stable source of revenue is not evil. It is what good people want for their employees.
"It is what good people want for their employees"
That is one seriously generous interpretation to put on these changes.
Me. I'm not nearly so charitable. I won't go so far as condemning them as greedy scumbags. Yet.
Ever picked people to lay off during one of tech's all too regular bust cycles? I have. It's miserable and leaves most decent people guilt-ridden afterwards. We hope to never do it again. Leveling out the revenue cycle has major benefits to employee job stability, and the employer and/or shareholder, as you correctly point out.
There are problems with software as a service. I don't think many of the problems are as dire as what is presented here.
I'm going to disagree with you on this one.
As a *regular* user (and I'm talking nearly daily here even though I don't do PCB layout for a living per-se), there is a *huge* amount of usability improvements that Eagle can most definitely use which would improve the experience in it for both new *and* existing users.
So ... ongoing development of PCB software is something that *is* needed. Take the most obvious example ... Auto-routers - there is not a single vendor on the planet that has got that one even close to right (some are considerably better than others, but when you get down to it ... pretty much all of them are "meh").
... and this is for *all* packages, not just Eagle (I'm talking Altium, KiCAD and so on).
I don't think we can depend on info about this from any blogs or forums anymore. The story coming out via online discussion with Eagle reps is not consistent, it changes depending on how convenient the story is. Don't believe any promises that aren't backed up by changes in the license or other official announcements from Autodesk.
The flaw with this reasoning is that Eagle is not currently a class-leading tool. Its niche has been the maker/small business space, and its customers have neither the need nor the financial means to afford a best-in-class tool.I think this is the key problem. I've not used Eagle but my understanding is its main attractive feature is being free, and people only buy the non-free version because it's what they know.
So where 's the ongoing future market ?
Anyone starting out from scratch (or deciding how to transition form Free Eagle) is probably going to take a very hard look at Kicad and alternatives like Designspark, Diptrace etc. I've not used Kicad but seeing what people have done with it, it must be pretty useable and it can only get better.
Many existing paying Eagle users will probably subscribe.
Unless they do some very major improvements to make it much more attractive to new users than Kicad, I think they have a rather stagnant and diminishing user base.
Question for people who have used a reasonable number of PCB packages - given a choice based purely on UI and features, not price, how many would choose Eagle?
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Hello Everyone,
Just wanted to inform everyone of some good news. The standard will be receiving 4 layers starting with the next update. Read more about it here:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/a-path-forward-for-the-make-license-a-step-up-for-standard/td-p/6823182
Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.
Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
Autodesk Support
Jorge, since Eagle 8 is now considered a brand new product, does this mean that Eagle 7 will continue to receive customer support and bugfix releases as promised?