Is somebody actively working on this hack for the DS2072A?
Is somebody actively working on this hack for the DS2072A?
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anyone got the datasheet for the LCD ? ;-)
BTW, I've heard Rigol is working on new security measures for all the devices which have been hacked - so if anyone has been on the fence about purchasing one of them (and you want to be certain you can run the current versions of keygens), it might be best to act soon.
That's great news. Perhaps they can manage to kill off their sales to hobbyists and students. It would be nice though if they spent that priority manpower in fixing bugs in their units, first. Rather than letting them languish for half a year or more without being addressed.
And one thing to keep in mind about buying the current (hackable) products: they have numerous known software problems (and likely others not yet known, or less visible... such as broken/missing SCPI). Naturally most will want to take advantage of the fixes, but it won't be surprising if there's a price to pay for that.
That's great news. Perhaps they can manage to kill off their sales to hobbyists and students. It would be nice though if they spent that priority manpower in fixing bugs in their units, first. Rather than letting them languish for half a year or more without being addressed.
Really, you think they should not worry about people stealing their products?
I'm a big fan of altering the function of hardware myself but to act like Rigol should embrace theft because it increases volume on their lowest margin sales and to justify this behavior kinda irritates me. . Rigol likely depends on the adders beyond base to add profit above likely thin margins. In addition, in a low volume business they have a LOT of non-recurring engineering costs to amortize over the life of the product.
The question for Rigol is whether those "bottom feeders" are a valuable enough resource to tolerate their antics, even if they cannibalize the professional market a bit. My bet is it's only a little lost lucre versus containerloads of scopes sold as a direct result of threads like this one. Rigol would be best to grin and bear it all the way to the bank.
That's great news. Perhaps they can manage to kill off their sales to hobbyists and students. It would be nice though if they spent that priority manpower in fixing bugs in their units, first. Rather than letting them languish for half a year or more without being addressed.
Really, you think they should not worry about people stealing their products?
Rigol is a business, they have to make some money.
I'm a big fan of altering the function of hardware myself but...
...to act like Rigol should embrace theft because it increases volume on their lowest margin sales and to justify this behavior kinda irritates me. .
Don't get me wrong. I read this thread every day (and have read every message in every page), and love the work, ingenuity and features that have been unlocked.
The primary (if not exclusive) impact of locking things down will be reduced sales to folks that have very limited funds to start with. Meaning hobbyists, beginners, students, etc. Do you really think that pro's (spending company funds) and engineering firms with $$$ resources are buying Rigol's for cheap and unlocking features w/o paying for them? I don't. If they need a 300 MHz scope, they buy one. Not buy a 70 MHz-rated one, and cross their fingers it will work at 300. That would be foolish indeed.
But the result of having a pool of hobbyists [or even pro's, with limited funds for a home lab] with access to the technology, and experience with Rigols, will mean that if they're in a position to recommend something, it's that much more likely to be something they're familiar with. Like... a Rigol. Or if they bring their Rigol into work one day, or to a client site, Rigol gets exposure they would not have otherwise. And as a result, increased sales. So in a very real sense, Rigol could consider these hobbyist sales as "seeds" being planted. That will bear enhanced fruit later. And as low-cost promotion and 'advertising' for their brand.
It wouldn't surprise me if a discussion similar to the one we have here happens between some people in the upper echelons at Rigol. They must consider, at least to some degree, the pros and cons of fighting the hacks.
But when hacks are easy and foolproof (like keygens) and begin to get widely published - even owners that would normally buy extra options over time don't. If you spent $2800 or more for one of the DS4000s, you very well might have spent more money later on for one or more of the options - but with a online keygen available, it's not as likely.
I'm afraid, from Rigol's point of view, this has gotten out of hand - spreading between the product lines - and they have to at least make an effort to fight it.
That's great news. Perhaps they can manage to kill off their sales to hobbyists and students.
Many of us purchased Rigol equipment solely or primarily because we could hack them.
Many of us purchased Rigol equipment solely or primarily because we could hack them.
It would be very wise for us if we did not bite the hand that feeds us by making the hacks too easy to use. There needs to be a minimum amount of skill required to accomplish the hacks.
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Me too. I bought a scope and a spectrum analyzer precisely because there are option hacks. And then I bought a signal generator (without the hack option) because I like their products now.
cybernet: what are you trying to achive?
The website with this generator is far to easy to use. Maybe Rigol can ignore some source code to compile somewhere in a ee-forum. But a website with a keygen generator for the masses? Seriously?
Bottom line: is the DS2072A hackable to 300 MHz with all options or not?
I don't mind running a script or compiling a Linux program.
Still it would convince me to buy the unit.
The old unit DS2072 is still available, but I guess it is wise to buy the newer unit from a support perspective, or is there no concern here?
How long does it typically take to come up with a new hack? =)
I need to buy my scope latest next week