I think we got lost in the details, but the big picture of what I was trying to say was that someone suing Mu for fraud would be able to involve IGG, because IGG profited from the fraud.
Of course any case could involve IGG. But until such time as someone does sue, IGG don't have to do squat, and they know it.
I suspect IGG are not entirely stupid, they would have lawyers advising them on this stuff in general. And in the case of Mu, hey, Mu are giving refunds, that's a pretty darn good defense for IGG I suspect. How could IGG be reasonably expected to suspect there is any fraud happening in any campaign when a company gives refunds when requested?
A question was asked earlier regarding the expensive parts of a thermal camera. Traditionally it was Optics, Imaging sensor and the Mechanical Stirling Cooler (where required). The expensive diamond turned Germanium optics have been replaced by moulded Chalcogenide glass optics in budget cameras and this has enabled lower retail prices. Such lens materials are used in the FLIR Ex series and VT-02 as well as many other sub $5000 cameras.
Historically it was not unusual for the Germanium lens of a thermal camera to cost several thousands, or tens of thousands, of Dollars depending upon complexity and lens element sizes !
ld say the Chinese will definitely be making devices priced like the Mu the day after it launches. :-)
hello all, would you like to join a group like yourselves pursuing a lawsuit against John? I have 82 prospective joiners. we may also have a pro bono law firm as john has money and we would like to have it as he looks to be a liar and a cheat.
If you are interested in joining us email me at johnhdavis AT gmail DOT com
we are also looking into a criminal charge for him and his, defrauding all of us
Someone in the comments section claims to have a 82 people interested in a lawsuit:Quotehello all, would you like to join a group like yourselves pursuing a lawsuit against John? I have 82 prospective joiners. we may also have a pro bono law firm as john has money and we would like to have it as he looks to be a liar and a cheat.
If you are interested in joining us email me at johnhdavis AT gmail DOT com
we are also looking into a criminal charge for him and his, defrauding all of us
And someone figured out where the money might really went: http://sqipptheline.com/
For info, the VT02 uses a British designed and manufactured 31x31 pixel IRISYS Redeye Pyro-electric detector array. In the VT02 the resolution is hobbled to 15x15 where as the full resolution is available on the VT04.
AFAIK all requested refunds were issued in due course. This helps Mu's case greatly in IGG's eyes I'm sure.
AFAIK all requested refunds were issued in due course. This helps Mu's case greatly in IGG's eyes I'm sure.
Really? I have sent emails to marcus@muoptics.com twice, and have yet to receive a reply. Could you tell me how others were able to obtain a refund?
Hello Everyone,
Two weeks from today we'll have the first public showing of the camera at an event where we expect to receive significant feedback and publicity. Shortly after that weeklong event, we'll be working towards announcing our production schedule.
Thank you all for your patience.
John McGrath
Two weeks from today we'll have the first public showing of the camera at an event where we expect to receive significant feedback and publicity. Shortly after that weeklong event, we'll be working towards announcing our production schedule.
Amazing (coincidence?). I bombarded all of the members of their team with complaints about the lack of updates and requests for a refund a few hours ago. If they do finally ship, I hope it's not another disaster like Kreyos.
Either way, it's the usual grease the wheels when the backers get too irate in public. I'm not going to hold my breath, but it should make for an interesting 2 weeks, with what I suspect will be an anti-climactic end.
Two weeks from today
we'll have the first public showing of the camera at an event
where we expect to receive significant feedback and publicity.
Shortly after that weeklong event,
we'll be working towards announcing our production schedule.
Quotewhere we expect to receive significant feedback and publicity.
Feedback = an opportunity to go back to the drawing board.