So now CadSoft is gone and Autodesk drops all support and considers the v8 a totally seperate sw package, is the "non-commercial" use only clause from v6 and v7 now also off the table?
To say it differently is it now legal to use the old non commercial version for commercial purposes?
So now CadSoft is gone and Autodesk drops all support and considers the v8 a totally seperate sw package, is the "non-commercial" use only clause from v6 and v7 now also off the table?
To say it differently is it now legal to use the old non commercial version for commercial purposes?
So now CadSoft is gone and Autodesk drops all support and considers the v8 a totally seperate sw package, is the "non-commercial" use only clause from v6 and v7 now also off the table?
To say it differently is it now legal to use the old non commercial version for commercial purposes?
Why would that be the case? If Autodesk were to claim that your Eagle V7 license is no longer valid at all since they now have a brand-new, different product, you would be outraged (rightfully). If you were to claim that your V7 license now suddenly covers a wider scope, I assume Autodesk would not be amused. Pacta sunt servanda...
The new subscription model offers one opportunity here, I believe: If you want to commercialize a design which you have developed in your V7 hobbyist version, I would say that all you need is one month of commercial subscription to give your design the commercial-license-blessings. There had to be something good about the subscription model!
Altium should capitalise on this publicity by offering a half price deal to existing Eagle license holders or something and push that they have a perpetual license.
Opportunity going begging...
The new subscription model offers one opportunity here, I believe: If you want to commercialize a design which you have developed in your V7 hobbyist version, I would say that all you need is one month of commercial subscription to give your design the commercial-license-blessings. There had to be something good about the subscription model!
Whoa! Do you mean for $65, one no longer need be tempted to violate their license agreement to turn out the odd commercial design? That's just crazy!
Take me back, Autodesk! Take me back to the Teutonic-ally halcyon days of, "$1700 or piss off, little prole."
"Kicad people" is a pretty meaningless phrase anyway, it's not like KiCad has a marketing division!
Gerber X2 Support
2016-11-18
The KiCad project is pleased to announce that it is the first electronic development application to fully support the Gerber X2 extensions. See the article on the PCB Design website. Thanks to the efforts of project founder Jean-Pierre Charras, KiCad can provide full Gerber X2 extension support before any proprietary or open source electronic development applications. The Gerber X2 support is currently available in the nightly builds of KiCad and will ship when the stable 5 version of KiCad is released.
Gerber X2 support is currently available in the nightly builds of KiCad and will ship when the stable 5 version of KiCad is released.
Whoa! Do you mean for $65, one no longer need be tempted to violate their license agreement to turn out the odd commercial design? That's just crazy!
Take me back, Autodesk! Take me back to the Teutonic-ally halcyon days of, "$1700 or piss off, little prole."
Hi Kjelt,
1) Autodesk has not dropped all support.
2) The non-commercial clause is not off the table
Whoa! Do you mean for $65, one no longer need be tempted to violate their license agreement to turn out the odd commercial design? That's just crazy!
Take me back, Autodesk! Take me back to the Teutonic-ally halcyon days of, "$1700 or piss off, little prole."
Whoa! Do you mean for $65, one no longer need be tempted to violate their license agreement to turn out the odd commercial design? That's just crazy!
Take me back, Autodesk! Take me back to the Teutonic-ally halcyon days of, "$1700 or piss off, little prole."
Autodesk may have a hostile clause in their license agreement -- or may eventually feel the need to add one -- to the effect that noncommercial licenses cannot be upgraded at the last minute, or upgraded only temporarily, for the purpose of commercial distribution.
Whoa! Do you mean for $65, one no longer need be tempted to violate their license agreement to turn out the odd commercial design? That's just crazy!
Take me back, Autodesk! Take me back to the Teutonic-ally halcyon days of, "$1700 or piss off, little prole."I'm starting to look forward to your posts Lab, I get a good chuckle out of them.
I absolutely agree that if you're just starting out, $65 (or $15) is a fantastic deal! I think I've alluded to the idea of the old market vs the new market for EAGLE. This is great for the new market.
But, I can also see why so many from the old market are upset.
Honestly, I think Autodesk will do a good job of bringing Eagle up to modern standards. When that happens, there's going to be a lot of people looking at Altium and wondering if they *really* need that one whizzbang feature that only gets used 1% of the time, versus a far less expensive package that gets the job done well, with the minor consequence of some extra fussing with corner case designs.
[...] I don't think I'm alone when I say I've been waiting a long time for EAGLE to mature into the product I think it could be. If it gets closer to the Altium level while providing integration with the other Autodesk products, I think it'll be a winner.
For sure, if I was a brand new user without any Cadsoft baggage, I'd be all over it. Of course, with my luck, I chose TurboCAD and Lightwave along with EAGLE, so I might have some adapting to do...
Seriously, why kill a hobbyist level product to create a professional level one
So essentially existing users will most likely be upset because their work-flow becomes more complicated and legacy tools will break; new professional users will be highly skeptical, since Eagle doesn't have a reputation as a high-end tool and Autodesk has little ECAD experience, and new hobbyist/SME users will not be able to pay the kind of money Autodesk is used to charge for their products. So the big question is, who is the target audience for this new solution that justifies development costs? Especially as they are trying hard to get rid of most of their existing users/community, which always was the strong point of Eagle.
Seriously, why kill a hobbyist level product to create a professional level one
Because in-between $100 CAD and $10,000+ CAD, there is no dominant product, but there is certainly a market demand for a product. If Autodesk can create an attractive platform out of Eagle, there's likely more than a few high-end amateurs and professionals that would jump on board for an annual cost that's close to 1/4th of Altium's annual maintenance fee.
Eagle is so far behind a product like Altium that I don't see it catching up within a reasonable period.
Eagle is so far behind a product like Altium that I don't see it catching up within a reasonable period.
You'd be surprised how fast money can erase that gap. All you need is enough of it.
Aah. The age old question of economics. What is the price elasticity curve for a given product, and how does it change with features.
For some reason software vendors seem to have no clue about this whole concept. When complaining about piracy they state their losses as the number of pirated copies times the retail price. Not realizing that the market is far larger for an item at zero perceived cost than it is for something with a real cost. Open source software is also vulnerable to this trap when comparing market penetration. Some open source software is actually excellent and has achieved its market share through merit. Others are used for ideological reasons or because it is free.
Because in-between $100 CAD and $10,000+ CAD, there is no dominant product, but there is certainly a market demand for a product. If Autodesk can create an attractive platform out of Eagle, there's likely more than a few high-end amateurs and professionals that would jump on board for an annual cost that's close to 1/4th of Altium's annual maintenance fee.
Sure, and as someone else pointed out already, you'd pretty much have to throw it all out and start over, so why bother buying an existing product?