Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD

[Zondar]

One possibility: I've heard that some companies are raising prices mildly, world-wide, to partially avoid truly insane price hikes in the U.S. The alternative in many cases would be to pull out of the U.S. market entirely.

In addition, and possibly more important, they may feel that it's necessary to keep world-wide prices at semi-comparable levels. Otherwise, people will find ways to take advantage of large price differences via arbitrage shenanigans. 

Would I have bought that oscilloscope if it really did cost 175% more (or whatever it would have worked out to be)? Probably not. Even the recent increase would have bummed me out, but it's probably still less than what would be necessary to fully cover the tariffs on Chinese goods.

[mawyatt]

One of the interesting aspects of when a DSO has built-in 50Ω capability, is why the significant additional cost as the DSOs without this capability seem to be in lower cost regions. Believe the built-in 50Ω capability is quite a bit more involved than just slapping a 50Ω shunt resistor in parallel with the nominal 1MegΩ input as is done with an external 50Ω Terminator on the lower end DSOs, and usually the DSOs with this built-in capability have a higher BW which makes them more expensive and internal termination more involved.

Might be interesting to investigate the details of the added 50Ω termination as too what's involved and how this is implemented. Vaguely recall some of this was discussed by someone that had "inside info" on the inner workings of modern DSOs (might have been Dan Paul at R&S) but can't find such.

Anyway, anyone truly knowledgable about this with "inside info" on the DSO internals?

Best

[Ulrich.G]

The SDS1000X HD/SDS3000X HD have these nice coloured labels for the digital channels. Is this somehow configurable? I couldn't find anything in the manuals.




Thanks and best regards

[KungFuJosh]

I dunno if they're configurable, but I think they're supposed to match the SPL2016?

[Ulrich.G]

I dunno if they're configurable, but I think they're supposed to match the SPL2016?

Makes sense, just asking because on my SDS2000X HD the labels of the digital channels are not coloured at all.

[KungFuJosh]

I dunno if they're configurable, but I think they're supposed to match the SPL2016?

Makes sense, just asking because on my SDS2000X HD the labels of the digital channels are not coloured at all.

I haven't checked on mine yet. I have the real SPL2016 now, so I'll be trying it out soon enough. Maybe they'll give the fancy colors to us in the next firmware update.

[Martin72]

Since all new HD models have this color marking, I find it hard to imagine that it wouldn't work on the 2000 model.

[tautech]

The SDS1000X HD/SDS3000X HD have these nice coloured labels for the digital channels. Is this somehow configurable? I couldn't find anything in the manuals.

No.

I dunno if they're configurable, but I think they're supposed to match the SPL2016?

This, yes LA channel label colors match the SPL2016 breakout lead identifier colored rings.

Something Siglent had overlooked until I brought to their attention....bit by bit this is being rolled out in new firmware across the DSO product range.

[tautech]

I dunno if they're configurable, but I think they're supposed to match the SPL2016?

Makes sense, just asking because on my SDS2000X HD the labels of the digital channels are not coloured at all.

Please confirm the firmware version installed.

I haven't checked on mine yet.

Please do and as above confirm FW version.

[KungFuJosh]

I dunno if they're configurable, but I think they're supposed to match the SPL2016?

Makes sense, just asking because on my SDS2000X HD the labels of the digital channels are not coloured at all.

Please confirm the firmware version installed.

I haven't checked on mine yet.

Please do and as above confirm FW version.

It's... Ugly!

[tautech]

I dunno if they're configurable, but I think they're supposed to match the SPL2016?

Makes sense, just asking because on my SDS2000X HD the labels of the digital channels are not coloured at all.

Please confirm the firmware version installed.

I haven't checked on mine yet.

Please do and as above confirm FW version.

It's... Ugly!

Yes/No. It's what all models used to show in Digital mode.
Presuming you have Version： V1.2.2.9 installed ? 

And what does your SDS5054X display ?

[Martin72]

Presuming you have Version： V1.2.2.9 installed ?

Look at the title of  his picture.

I believe that SDS2000Xplus, SDS2000X HD, and SDS5000X do not yet have this update.

[KungFuJosh]

It's... Ugly!

Yes/No. It's what all models used to show in Digital mode.
Presuming you have Version： V1.2.2.9 installed ? 

And what does your SDS5054X display ?

The extra ugliness I was referring to is the way it looks on either model with axis labels active. Clearly not taken into consideration in the UI design; the axis labels or the channel labels should be shifted over.

Firmware versions noted in the filenames...yes, latest versions on both.

Thanks,
Josh

[KungFuJosh]

Presuming you have Version： V1.2.2.9 installed ?

Look at the title of  his picture.

I believe that SDS2000Xplus, SDS2000X HD, and SDS5000X do not yet have this update.

SDS5000X most recent firmware was from January of this year, and has the change.

[Martin72]

Nice !

Edit:

I find it “interesting” that such a visually significant change is not mentioned in the release notes.
I will also check this on our new SDS2000Xplus models.

[tautech]

Nice !

Edit:

I find it “interesting” that such a visually significant change is not mentioned in the release notes.
I will also check this on our new SDS2000Xplus models.

Done for you:
Version： V1.6.2R5

[KungFuJosh]

Looks like it's just the lonely SDS2000X HD left behind again. 🎻

[tautech]

Looks like it's just the lonely SDS2000X HD left behind again. 🎻

Yep, overlooked and now reported.

[Ulrich.G]

Please confirm the firmware version installed.

Currently the latest official available for the SDS2000X HD - V1.2.2.9

[KungFuJosh]

This oscilloscope is quite good. If anyone encounters quality issues, feel free to contact me.

Oh, look mods, a new scammer! 👎

[tautech]

Looks like it's just the lonely SDS2000X HD left behind again. 🎻

Yep, overlooked and now reported.

The coloured digital channel tabs improvement is coming in the next firmware….no date for it given or offered.

[Ulrich.G]

The coloured digital channel tabs improvement is coming in the next firmware….no date for it given or offered.

Firmware 1.2.2.20 for the SDS2000X HD is available - containing just one fix concerning a possible unresponsive touch screen. Never heard of that issue...

[Oldman]

Hi,

I will order sds3000x hd and I am afraid that it will be the same hardware as sds1000x hd

400Mpt maximum memory, 4GSa/s maximum sample rate (at least 2GSa/s), 350Mhz-1Ghz bandwidth, active probe interface, 1GBit LAN, USB3.0, integrated LA, 200000/890000wfms/s updaterate rate, more decoder, etc, etc...
No, the worry is unfounded.

The sds3000xhd is advertised as max. 200.000Wfrm/s.
But this is only achieved when you use DOT-mode and not vector-mode.
Plus you must activate e.g. channel 1 and 2 (you can then hide one channel if you want).
If you do not do this you do not get over max 25.000Wfrm/s. On the plus side:
you can add measurements , math , fft etc. and speed stays at 22-25.000Wfrm/s.
When your signal is not too dynamic the overlaying dots create a nice trace in DOT-mode.
In an FFT is more difficult to connect the dots if there is lot happening in the frequency-sidebands.

What about the sds800xhd. Advertised as 120.000Wfrm/s. Is this also just in DOT-mode?
And the sds1000xhd. Advertised as 120.000Wfrm/s?
And the sds2000xhd. Advertised as 100.000Wfrm/s?

Can anyone please tell me if the latter 3 scopes also need DOT-mode to achieve their advertised max. acquisition speeds?

[KungFuJosh]

The sds3000xhd is advertised as max. 200.000Wfrm/s.
But this is only achieved when you use DOT-mode and not vector-mode.
Plus you must activate e.g. channel 1 and 2 (you can then hide one channel if you want).
If you do not do this you do not get over max 25.000Wfrm/s.

Where are you getting this "information" from? It sounds like nonsense. There's nothing in the datasheet specifying any of that. It simply says 200k in Normal mode.

[Martin72]

Can anyone please tell me if the latter 3 scopes also need DOT-mode to achieve their advertised max. acquisition speeds?

As the specification indicates, this is the maximum achievable rate, which is a sweet spot under very specific conditions.
This is the case with every scope; it is not an anomaly.
It is also obvious that this rate is achieved in dot mode because it is faster than vector mode.
So, at the moment, I do not know exactly where the problem lies.