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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #175 on: February 08, 2023, 03:43:43 am »
Yes, but it is still confidential -  Draft Rev 0.
 

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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #176 on: February 08, 2023, 08:15:57 am »
The DS is still confidential, but my myADR1001#1 10V reference box is 1100hours in the burn-in today :)
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #177 on: February 08, 2023, 03:01:00 pm »
Thanks Noopy's bonding wires measurements from his ADR1000 shots I made a simulation with ADR1001, T from 20C to 50C, with two REF_GND Al bonding wires (estimated 1.5mm x 50um), several 50mm x 1mm pcb traces around the critical parts (an example only) and Manganin RISET. You may see the voltage drops which contribute to the overall tempco due to large TC of the Al and Cu.
The 10V tempco is aprox 0.1ppm/C in the simulation.
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #178 on: February 10, 2023, 08:44:37 am »
An update..
Note:
7.1.23 powered off for 10minutes
24.1.23 powered off for 20minutes

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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #179 on: February 10, 2023, 09:47:04 am »
Thanks for sharing. I can observe few thinks
1. Tempco is still dominating the graph.
2. Tempco is on the higher side >-1..2ppm/K
Did you do an initial temperature sweep to determine the TC?
 

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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #180 on: February 10, 2023, 10:17:54 am »
The test of reference drift is always a comparision to a 2nd reference in the case of IMOs data this seems to be an 34401 DMM. I am afraid the data can also be seen as a test on the stability of the DMM.
Beeing well aged the DMM may not have that much drift over time, it can still have quite some TC. Chances are the temperature effect is more on the DMM than on the reference. 1-2 ppm/K is not that bad for a 34401.

To check if the reference has significan TC one would have to intentionally change the temperature of the reference circuit and keep the DMM temperature constant for that test.
 

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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #181 on: February 10, 2023, 11:02:43 am »
Here is a TC sweep I did 2 months back.
Note: the ref board was put into a different box as it is now, the board was not in the form of the "sandwich", no output buffer installed, the temp sensor was not soldered into the board as it is now (but in the same position).
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/adr1001-ovenized-voltage-reference-system/msg4572577/#msg4572577

I've been preparing some measurements for March (after ~2k hours of burn-in) with different and much better dmms, and I am well aware of the fact myADR1001#1 measurement is not a metrological grade as of today. But better to do something than nothing..  ;)

PS: my 34401A is temperature compensated as has been shown couple of times here (with the actual measurements as well).
See this thread https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/tempco-and-calibration-of-a-dmm-simple-data-post-processing/
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #182 on: February 18, 2023, 07:52:08 am »
An update..
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7.1.23 powered off for 10minutes
24.1.23 powered off for 20minutes
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #183 on: February 19, 2023, 08:17:46 am »
I powered off the box for 16 hours long in order to see how fast it returns back. Ambient 21.7C.
The 34401A powered on for 7 hours prior to the test.
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #184 on: February 19, 2023, 10:05:24 pm »
Hello,

what are the measurement parameters?
If I do a measurement with 100 NPLC in 10V range (so 1 measurement all 4 seconds) I usually get a much more noisier looking display for values below 10V (there I get 0.1 uV resolution numbers over the interface).

Or: are the raw values above 10V (there the resolution is 1uV) and only due to the T.C. correction the values are lower than 10V.
Or: do you do some rounding to 1uV steps?

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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #185 on: February 20, 2023, 08:50:02 am »
@Andreas: The raw data I get off the 34401A are above 10V (like 10.000.031) with 1uV resolution (100NPLC). Then I do TC and gain/offset correction and median_5 (rolling over last 5 samples, the "median" made upon odd number of samples does not change the resolution as it does not make any math calculation with the data). All in double precision. Thus the process translates the results below 10V, and the "1uV" resolution remains, afaik.

PS: to be exact - the "1uV" is the "resolution you see" on the graph. When you will zoom into my graph you will see very small steps in the "flat" portions of the graph as well - that is the "TC compensation" acting based on the internal DMM temperature values..
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #186 on: February 24, 2023, 08:10:00 am »
An update..
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34401A, 100NPLC, 10M
7.1.23 powered off for 10minutes
24.1.23 powered off for 20minutes
18.2.23 powered off for 16 hours
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #187 on: March 07, 2023, 06:05:32 pm »
Release unfortunately has been pushed back to the end of the year....to pre-age these further maybe?
 

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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #188 on: March 08, 2023, 09:32:54 am »
its more than likely to get more long term data for the drift and to refine the process and possibly even increase the yield. That and pre-aging as you said quite likely
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #189 on: March 09, 2023, 10:19:36 pm »
An update..
Note:
34401A, 100NPLC, 10M inp
7.1.23 powered off for 10minutes
24.1.23 powered off for 20minutes
18.2.23 powered off for 16 hours
5.3.23 powered off for 20minutes
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #190 on: March 17, 2023, 02:53:05 pm »
An update..
Note:
34401A, 100NPLC, 10M input
7.1.23 powered off for 10minutes
24.1.23 powered off for 20minutes
18.2.23 powered off for 16 hours
5.3.23 powered off for 20minutes
17.3.23 - the first "metrological LAB measurement" in the new setup - Fluke 8588A, certified.
Tambient = 23.2C, humidity 47%
Tboard = 37.63C
Vref = 9.999.895Volt (10Meg input, several 10x2secs measurements averaged after 90 minutes sitting in the lab, powered off for aprox 3hours).
Next LAB measurement in the summer this year, hopefully.. :)
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #191 on: March 17, 2023, 03:18:52 pm »
Very soon I have some news too...  ^-^

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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #192 on: March 17, 2023, 03:33:41 pm »
Very soon I have some news too...  ^-^
I cross my fingers for you - do you plan the "zener light show" as well?
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #193 on: March 17, 2023, 03:48:50 pm »
Very soon I have some news too...  ^-^
I cross my fingers for you - do you plan the "zener light show" as well?

Thanks but finger crossing is not even necessary even more.  8)

Up to now I haven´t light the zener. The other parts are much more interesting I think...  ;D
But we will see...  ;D
 
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #194 on: March 18, 2023, 07:44:03 am »
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Up to now I haven´t light the zener. The other parts are much more interesting I think...  ;D

First teaser images?

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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #195 on: March 18, 2023, 11:19:47 am »
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Up to now I haven´t light the zener. The other parts are much more interesting I think...  ;D

First teaser images?

-branadic-


I can´t think of an area that doesn´t reveal too much. It has to stay a surprise.  ;)

Just give me a few more days.

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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #196 on: March 19, 2023, 09:42:22 pm »
One more night shift and I think I can show you tomorrow some nice pictures.

Very interesting...  ;)
 
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #197 on: March 20, 2023, 07:00:52 am »
A few day ago e61_phil had sent me a ADR1001. Special thanks to him!   :-+ :clap: :-+
I have put everything aside and worked every free hour on the ADR1001 (beside the semiconductors I have a "normal" life  ;D).
I found a lot of interesting things but didn´t manage to draw a complete schematic. Since the ADR1001 took the fast lane it´s possible that the explanation is not completely correct. Every input is highly welcome.

I will start with the basics so that newcomers get a complete picture of the ADR1001.






With the ADR1000 (https://www.richis-lab.de/REF19.htm), Analog Devices has developed a successor to the extremely stable LTZ1000 voltage reference (https://www.richis-lab.de/REF03.htm). Both the LTZ1000 and the ADR1000 require a sensibly designed, very stable external circuit. With the ADR1001 shown here, Analog Devices offers an alternative that contains all necessary circuit parts and directly outputs a stable and precisely defined reference voltage without any special additional circuitry.

The ADR1001 is not yet officially distributed. The release date has meanwhile been postponed to the end of 2023. As the letter sequence XEZ shows, this is an early sample that was produced at the beginning of 2022.

The SMD ceramic housing simplifies integration into modern circuits, but also brings disadvantages when high demands are placed on stability. Distortions of the PCB are transferred more strongly to the reference than with a TO package. The more solid connection itself can lead to mechanical stress. It is also more difficult to thermally isolate the component from the environment.




There is no publicly available datasheet for the ADR1001 yet. One can just find screenshots of a product presentation, which, however, already contain a block diagram.




LTspice already contains a model of the ADR1001, which also shows the internal circuitry. The reference voltage is therefore based on the same circuit as found in the LTZ1000 and the ADR1000. The different temperature coefficients of a Z-diode and the base-emitter junction of a transistor (blue) compensate each other. The opamp that supplies the reference is integrated into the ADR1001 (yellow).

A voltage divider scales the initial reference voltage to 5V (purple). This facilitates integration into a circuit. Although the initial reference voltage is very constant, its absolute value is subject to relatively strong production fluctuations. The ADR1001 also contains an output amplifier (green) which, with the resistors integrated there, makes it possible to buffer the 5V reference voltage or scale it up to 10V. Allegedly, the design allows an inversion to -5V too. A separate pin to the reference potential reduces the risk of feedback from the output opamp to the reference.

In addition to the reference section, the ADR1001 contains a heater that keeps the circuit at a constant temperature (red). This has the advantage that not only the temperature of the reference itself is constant, but also the temperature of the other integrated circuit parts. Whereas with an ADR1000, for example, you have to use external resistors with a very low temperature coefficient, the temperature coefficient of the resistors integrated in the ADR1001 is much less critical.

The heater consists of the actual heating elements and a controller. The opamp in the controller uses the temperature drift of a transistor to measure the temperature and compares its base-emitter voltage with the voltage of a voltage divider. The voltage divider and thus the set temperature can be influenced via the pin TSET.

Surprisingly, according to the circuit diagram, the voltage regulator is supplied by the non-buffered reference voltage. Although the temperature regulator should have a very constant current consumption in the steady state, there is a danger here that the reference voltage will be disturbed. Both the controller and the heater have their own connection to the reference potential.

The output PWRGD obviously indicates "Power Good". According to the designation, the pin TCHIP outputs the temperature of the die. However, this designation is only found in the LTspice model, not in the block diagram.




The search function on the Analog Devices website does not provide any information on the ADR1001. However, if you use an external search engine, you will find a page that advertises an Eval Board with the ADR1001.




A circuit diagram is shown for the Eval board, which shows what a typical application might look like.






The lid of the ADR1001 is soldered to the ceramic housing. Viewed from the side, one can clearly see the layered construction. The lid is soldered to a contact in the corner of the housing that does not lead to the underside and is thus normally not electrically connected.






In the housing, it becomes apparent that the ADR1001 has indeed been fully integrated onto one die. Considering the high demands and the special structure of the reference element, this is not a matter of course.

As you can already guess here, the die is not conductively connected to the metallised base. No other connection to the base has been created either. This means that the potential of lid and base is floating. The surfaces form a relatively large capacitance to the die, so that interference from outside can couple into the circuit.




As in the LT1088 (https://www.richis-lab.de/LT1088.htm) and the LTZ1000A, a special material was used to bond the die in the housing. It is a polymer with small glass beads. The glass beads provide a high thermal resistance between the integrated circuit and the housing. Since less heat is thus emitted to the environment, the ADR1001 reaches its set temperature more quickly and requires less heating power. This measure makes particular sense here, as the ceramic housing is connected to the circuit board over a large area. The polymer probably also helps to protect the die against mechanical stress. A polymer was also used in the ADR1000, but without an additional admixture.






The glass beads have a diameter of about 0,1mm. The layer under the die appears to consist of two layers of the beads, so should be slightly less than 0,2mm high.






The dimensions of the dies are 3,6mm x 3,3mm. Both the top and bottom images are available in higher resolution:
https://www.richis-lab.de/images/REF01/32x14x.jpg 6,59MB
https://www.richis-lab.de/images/REF01/32x15x.jpg 56,6MB

The ADR1001 is not yet extremely highly integrated, but like the ADR1000, it has two metal layers, making it difficult to analyze the circuit.




The design is obviously from 2020, and the pairs of letters are almost certainly initials of the developers involved.




In the upper left corner of the die there is a small test structure. Two transistors are connected in parallel. The emitters are connected to ground, base and collector can be contacted via testpads. Between them a resistor is integrated, which is visually hardly noticeable between the testpads.




The die has 20 bondpads, all of which are assigned to a pad on the housing. In addition to the two testpads of the test structure, there are four further testpads which are used for an adjustment of the circuit.

The reference potential REF6P6_S is tapped a little further inside the die. All other potentials contact their potentials in the outer area, where protective structures are located.




Two pads of the housing are used to transfer the ground potential. These are led to the die with two bondwires and are connected to each other there. The use of two pads and two bondwires reduces the resistance in the ground path. The relatively high temperature coefficient of the resistors is particularly problematic.

Among other ways the ground potential is transmitted in addition to the supply potential via the outer edge of the die. Particularly noticeable is the wide line, which is led diagonally downwards to the center of the die. A surprising number of large vias were used for the change from the lower to the upper metal layer.




A large part of the circuit can be identified on the die. In the center is the combination of Z-diode and transistor with its typical geometry known from the ADR1000 (blue). Unlike the block diagram, there is no resistor in the ISET path. Instead, there is an element in this path that could be a current sink.

To the right and left of the reference, large vertical strips are integrated, which consist of a series of resistors and transistors (red). These are the heaters for the temperature control of the ADR1001. The controller itself occupies a relatively large area above the reference. Large capacitors are integrated on the outside of the heaters and on the lower edge of the die. Some of the capacitors are accessed by the temperature controller. The temperature controller uses some tuned resistors. For this there are three testpads in the upper right corner. The output TCHIP is directly connected to the base-emitter junction of an otherwise isolated transistor (red/cyan).

The output buffer is clearly visible (green). The sensitive input stage is located between the reference and the right heater. The output stage, on the other hand, is on the edge, where there is less danger of it negatively affecting the reference. The opamp uses a considerable amount of the capacitors. The tuned resistors belonging to the output buffer are located near the center of the die, where the temperature is very constant.

The voltage divider, which is used to scale the reference voltage to 5V, is also tuned and is located in the center (purple). For the adjustment of these resistors a testpad is integrated at the right edge of the die.

The opamp supplying the reference (yellow) is also divided into two parts. The elements belonging to the input stage cannot be clearly identified, but they are located between the left heater and the reference, as one would expect. The output stage of the opamp is integrated between the left heater and the edge.






The two voltage dividers show the known traces of an alignment. In addition, there are two structures at the lower edge consisting of three and four elements, respectively, which are connected to the voltage dividers. The purpose of these structures remains unclear.






The structure in the center of the die strongly resembles the combination of Z-diode and transistor known from the LTZ1000 and the ADR1000. What seems absolutely logical at first glance raises questions when you recall the structure of this device.

As shown in the ADR1000, the base of the transistor contacts the substrate. The emitter potential is thus more negative than the substrate. In the LTZ1000 and in the ADR1000 this is not a problem, because there are no additional circuit parts on the die apart from a transistor for temperature measurement and a heater resistor.

In the ADR1001, however, a very extensive circuit is integrated on the same die. In addition, the emitter of the Z-diode/transistor combination is connected to further circuit parts. Either the reference structure in the ADR1001 is designed differently than in the ADR1000 or a process was used in which the active structures are completely isolated from the substrate.

The multiple collector connection known from the LTZ1000 and the ADR1000 is not found here. The only contact leading to the collector layer is found at the top right. Surprisingly, the collector is connected to the base of the transistor structure.




Around the combination of Z-diode and transistor there are four more transistors. Two of the transistors (T1/T2) are used for temperature control. The other two transistors (Q2/Q3) seem to have a functional part in the voltage reference and represent the branch that one would actually look for within the special structure.


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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #198 on: March 20, 2023, 08:01:30 am »
Those beads looks like fish eggs.  ;D
 
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Re: ADR1001 - Ovenized Voltage Reference System
« Reply #199 on: March 20, 2023, 09:29:48 am »
I wonder where that 1.7ohm resistor at the buffer's output comes from.. Could we see it on the die?
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