Magnova oscilloscope

[2N3055]

I use a NAS from QNAP to save data and it works flawlessly. You just need to specify an existing directory on the NAS and … no problem 😅

Actually, that is SAMBA to SAMBA and is going to work more seamlessly than SAMBA to Windows.

This is one of the reasons why I try to stay away from Windows anyway 😂

Because Linux emulation of Windows file share protocol sucks, you blame Windows ?
 

[Tomki]

I use a NAS from QNAP to save data and it works flawlessly. You just need to specify an existing directory on the NAS and … no problem 😅

Actually, that is SAMBA to SAMBA and is going to work more seamlessly than SAMBA to Windows.

This is one of the reasons why I try to stay away from Windows anyway 😂

Because Linux emulation of Windows file share protocol sucks, you blame Windows ?
 

What does smb have to do with Windows, other than that it was developed by IBM and then taken over by Microsoft, like many other things that were also taken over from others by Microsoft (e.g. Apple) 

[Xyphro]

I received a test-unit from Batronix today. Have to say, that it is an absolutely great device.

PPL can argue about the new approaches, like the connectors that go to the right side or the stand, but I love it. I can route cable underneath the scopes and don't have a cable mess from my 4 probes annoying me. The big screen is great for my eyes which slowly but surely get older :-D

The software is super snappy. Highly responsive, not like my older scopes. Even the touch screen feels like an improvement rather than being a workaround. I worked with a lot of Keysight scopes with touchscreens and there it was always very annoying due to high lag and very poorly thought through UI Design. Or any of the newer Tektronix scopes: Technically great devices with 6 or 8 channels and good noiseless datapath, but very laggy in UI response (well plus issues in e.g. trigger delay).

Could not see anything which I miss so far and I played for several hours continously with it. Will now stress it further during next days while working on my new generation GPIB adapter. And if it continues to go that well I'll certainly buy one with AWG and logic analyzer.

I hope they have good sales with the scopes and continue to develop such nice devices.

[KungFuJosh]

I hope they have good sales with the scopes and continue to develop such nice devices.

Don't worry, there's a LOT in development with this scope, including many more improvements to the UI, windowing, and eventually the web console.

I'm almost done with the driver for TestController which will give you a ton of options for remote control and automation...and they're going to be adding more features to SCPI for that too.

Their next firmware update will (I think) unlock most or all of the AWG functions. After that I should be ready to test the SCPI for that, and release the 1st version of the TestController driver. I'll release some new versions as requested features are added.

Thanks,
Josh

[Xyphro]

Btw: Do I see right that ethernet based scpi is supporting tcp raw only and no HiSLIP/VXI or so?

As I work on HiSLIP for my GPIB adapter I wonder if that is a limitation, e.g. will service requests be signalled over ethernet efficiently. Not really "Home" with my knowledge on ethernet based T&M here (mostly use USBTMC which I know in&out), so see that as honest question not criticism.
What is testcontroller? A Scope GUI u made?

[KungFuJosh]

Btw: Do I see right that ethernet based scpi is supporting tcp raw only and no HiSLIP/VXI or so?

As I work on HiSLIP for my GPIB adapter I wonder if that is a limitation, e.g. will service requests be signalled over ethernet efficiently. Not really "Home" with my knowledge on ethernet based T&M here (mostly use USBTMC which I know in&out), so see that as honest question not criticism.
What is testcontroller? A Scope GUI u made?

With TestController, yes, raw socket works, and VXI probably? (I know LXI I does for other devices). USBTMC and HiSLIP require universal (OS independent) libraries for Java to support them with TestController.

The GPIB adapters that work with TestController are based on the AR488 project (IIRC the Kofen version is also based on AR488 to some degree), Prologix compatible, or the NI version that works via serial ports.

USBTMC doesn't currently have a good library that works with that, so having serial or ethernet support similar to Prologix as a backup would be a good idea for your device.

Attached is a screenshot with two GPIB adapters I have setup in TestController, along with the list of currently supported GPIB flavors. You could potentially work with HKJ to add specific support for your new GPIB design, but you will still have limitations as stated above.

Back to the topic of the Magnova, there is potential for HiSLIP to be added in the future when the driver libraries become available. HKJ has expressed interest in adding that support as well, if/when it's possible.

Thanks,
Josh

[Xyphro]

Hmm, is there no visa interface existing for Java which would give you all interface types in one go with a common interface and portable?

[KungFuJosh]

Hmm, is there no visa interface existing for Java which would give you all interface types in one go with a common interface and portable?

I assume not, but you can ask here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/program-that-can-log-from-many-multimeters/

That's HKJ's thread for his project TestController.

Thanks,
Josh

[KungFuJosh]

Here are some more very practical use cases. 

[jusaca]

We now have a mangova in our lab as well, it's a nice unit and a joy to work with.

One aspect I think is not that great yet is labeling of the time base in zoom mode. In the attached screenshot it is quite annoying to find the timebase. Actually you can not really see it at all, but you have to calculate it from the weird time stamps on the grid.
I would prefer the "Zoom" mode button to not only show the magnification (20.0x), but also the actual time step per division (in this case 5ms). That would make it much more intuitive to see the time scales you are looking at.

[KungFuJosh]

A lot of labeling needs improvement for sure. Some has been discussed, but that's a good idea too.

[jusaca]

I found another thing that is bothering me, but I'm not sure whether this is typical behaviour or a magnova thing:
When using "normal" trigger mode to wait for a trigger event and keep that waveform displayed, the mangova seems to overlay several waveforms if the trigger condition is present for longer than can fit the screen. In the attached screenshot for example I'm now not able to tell the different blue waveforms from ch3 (larger and smaller peaks) apart. I have to explicitly use single shot to get only one single waveform (which can be annoying when wanting to do several single shots in series, you always have to rearm manually).

Is this the behaviour other scopes show as well? Or do other scopes only show a single waveform when using normal trigger mode?

[Sorama]

speaking about triggering...
it's maGnova, not maNgova 

[hotze]

When using "normal" trigger mode to wait for a trigger event and keep that waveform displayed, the mangova seems to overlay several waveforms if the trigger condition is present for longer than can fit the screen.

try to activate the history mode

[jusaca]

try to activate the history mode

Oh yeah, that helps. The history mode is awesome, nice!

[nctnico]

Is this the behaviour other scopes show as well? Or do other scopes only show a single waveform when using normal trigger mode?

Some other scopes do this as well; I've seen Tektronix scopes do this. Sometimes it is handy to see the previous trace (for comparison) and sometimes it is confusing.

[joeqsmith]

Here are some more very practical use cases. 

I take it they are now shipping to the USA and Canada

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Just checked

The Magnova oscilloscope is not yet available for sale in the United States and Canada.

 

[KungFuJosh]

Here are some more very practical use cases. 

I take it they are now shipping to the USA and Canada

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Just checked

The Magnova oscilloscope is not yet available for sale in the United States and Canada.

 

As a business customer I was able to purchase it without all the hoops they need to jump through for consumer sales. If you want to purchase it for your business as a business customer, you can contact them to inquire about it.

With the tariff situation and trade issues, I assume consumer sales will take longer.

Thanks,
Josh

[KungFuJosh]

I have to explicitly use single shot to get only one single waveform (which can be annoying when wanting to do several single shots in series, you always have to rearm manually).

The Magnova is quite sensitive and I see it pick up things my previous scopes couldn't see at all.

Besides History mode, you might also want to consider the footswitch accessory. It has some nice presets to help in these situations, and I'm sure they'd be open to suggestions for more if you can think of something else.

Thanks,
Josh

[rf-messkopf]

Just checked

The Magnova oscilloscope is not yet available for sale in the United States and Canada.

 

It took me a while to figure out where that notice was, as it's is only in the English version. Looks like a bug on the website to me.

[joeqsmith]

Just checked

The Magnova oscilloscope is not yet available for sale in the United States and Canada.

 

It took me a while to figure out where that notice was, as it's is only in the English version. Looks like a bug on the website to me.

Could be a bug I asked about that early on.   You would think if they were wanting to sell to the USA, they would have posted about it here and corrected the site long ago.   

[KungFuJosh]

It's not a website bug. They're not currently shipping to the US for non-commercial customers. They need additional certification for consumer sales in the US. See my previous reply.

Thanks,
Josh

[Martin72]

It took me a while to figure out where that notice was, as it's is only in the English version. Looks like a bug on the website to me.

For German-speaking countries, this information regarding the US/Canada is also rather uninteresting.

[rf-messkopf]

It's not a website bug. They're not currently shipping to the US for non-commercial customers. They need additional certification for consumer sales in the US. See my previous reply.

For German-speaking countries, this information regarding the US/Canada is also rather uninteresting.

Well, you can select shipping destination, business or private customer status and language all separately. So there is inconsistency between the language settings, which can be misleading. Also, when you select business customer the notification that it is unavailable in the US is still there.

I wonder what kind of certification for consumer sales that would be.

[voltsandjolts]

It took me a while to figure out where that notice was, as it's is only in the English version. Looks like a bug on the website to me.

For German-speaking countries, this information regarding the US/Canada is also rather uninteresting.

Maybe if you're a German living in the US, you can buy it