Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD

[KungFuJosh]

The prices for the 3000X HD in China.
If they remain the same here, I find them very humane.
And attractive.

I wish I had your toy budget. I'll give you $5.00 for your 2000X HD when you get your 3000X HD. 😉

[Martin72]

At 3600€, there can hardly be any talk of a "toy budget".
I don't have that much to spare, otherwise I would have kept every device I owned before-.

[KungFuJosh]

Fine fine, $6.00. 😉

[FlexibleMammoth]

I was hoping for that too, but if we go from the 2000x HD pricing, the EU pricing formula works out to about (chinese price converted to €) * 1.5 + tax.

[skander36]

I was hoping for that too, but if we go from the 2000x HD pricing, the EU pricing formula works out to about (chinese price converted to €) * 1.5 + tax.

I wouldn't take that as rule. For ex, SDS 2104 x Plus is 1476E on Chines site and 1426 at Batronix, while SDS1202X-E is 559E on Chinese but 383E at Batronix. 
Siglent said that we still have to wait but not too long ... 

[Martin72]

Q1/24...That's really not much longer.

Meanwhile, I have somewhat buried my hopes for the release of a 3000X HD, for various reasons.

[skander36]

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Meanwhile, I have somewhat buried my hopes for the release of a 3000X HD, for various reasons.

Why?

[Martin72]

This has 4GSa/s max instead of 5, but otherwise it makes the 5000X series superfluous.
And what leads me to believe that it won't come to the western market are the two wavesurfer models from Lecroy, which are built by Siglent.
The WS3000 would have lost out in comparison and the WS4000HD* has the screen size (12") and slightly more max sample rate (5GSa) than the 3000X HD, but costs much more.
That would be direct competition and I don't think that would be "allowed".
On the other hand, it's time for a 5000X successor, which will be on the market for 6 years next year.
Then there will be a direct competitor to the HDO series with the SDS7000A and that seems to be "allowed" after all....Ah crap, now you've confused me again with your question as to why.


*)Datasheet WS4000HD:
https://cdn.teledynelecroy.com/files/pdf/wavesurfer-4000hd-datasheet.pdf

Direct comparisons with the competition are still rather unusual here in Germany:
https://cdn.teledynelecroy.com/files/pdf/wavesurfer4000hd-v-tek.pdf
https://cdn.teledynelecroy.com/files/pdf/wavesurfer4000hd-v-rto.pdf
https://cdn.teledynelecroy.com/files/pdf/wavesurfer4000hd-v-keysight-s-series.pdf

[skander36]

You never know.
They can always find a stategy to put it on a difficult market and on the other hand I don't think they just come out with a new 1 GHz scope and miss the western market.
Time will tell.

[rf-loop]

You never know.
They can always find a stategy to put it on a difficult market and on the other hand I don't think they just come out with a new 1 GHz scope and miss the western market.
Time will tell.

There is also one (weird) question (- or is it weird). How important is the "western market" :/
The imagination of what China is, is in many cases constantly out of date in many westerners mind. It has changed and is changing faster than most people can update their thinking…
The demand for electronics testing equipment in China is (was) growing perhaps like a "to the moon" trend... how about western markets.

[skander36]

You never know.
They can always find a stategy to put it on a difficult market and on the other hand I don't think they just come out with a new 1 GHz scope and miss the western market.
Time will tell.

There is also one (weird) question (- or is it weird). How important is the "western market" :/
The imagination of what China is, is in many cases constantly out of date in many westerners mind. It has changed and is changing faster than most people can update their thinking…
The demand for electronics testing equipment in China is (was) growing perhaps like a "to the moon" trend... how about western markets.

I know what you say but "China to China" concept maybe is not so future proof as it want to be. Even China is not sure about.
Maybe the corect term instead the "western market" which is indeed somewhat perished, would be "global market". And this is for sure a target for China and subsequently for Siglent. But time will tell.
Coming back to Martin concern, the internal Chinese market is not ermetic. I can order from grey market a scope in discussion. Asking Siglent about that, they don't forbid but they said that from service and support perpective is not advisable ...

[rf-loop]

Maybe the corect term instead the "western market" which is indeed somewhat perished, would be "global market".

This is one very important consideration.

[tautech]

Asking Siglent about that, they don't forbid but they said that from service and support perpective is not advisable ...

FYI, Siglent dealers in China are forbidden to sell China only models to the west.
Eg SDS2074X Plus.

If discovered they will face penalties from Siglent as the source of any unit can be traced by SN#.

[skander36]

...
FYI, Siglent dealers in China are forbidden to sell China only models to the west.
Eg SDS2074X Plus.

If discovered they will face penalties from Siglent.

I am sure about.
For you as an oficial reseler this statement is important, but for me as a hobbyst doesn't care at all how I will get it. There are private channels.

[tautech]

...
FYI, Siglent dealers in China are forbidden to sell China only models to the west.
Eg SDS2074X Plus.

If discovered they will face penalties from Siglent.

I am sure about.
For you as an oficial reseler this statement is important, but for me as a hobbyst doesn't care at all how I will get it. There are private channels.

Sure.
But consider China suppliers may not want to put their relationship with Siglent at risk for just one sale.

I have seen the outcome....... 

Still, it is very comforting to know Siglent give their official representatives support and protection from the grey market.

[Martin72]

There were no pictures here yet.
This logic channel colors....I want them too.

[Martin72]

What do we see here....
(From open source acknowledge document)

[tautech]

What do we see here....
(From open source acknowledge document)

You have a new research task ! 

[Martin72]

At least there is already a "placeholder" on the Chinese website.
Possibly an answer to Rigol's DHO800/900 after all... We don't know, maybe nothing will come at all.

[2N3055]

There were no pictures here yet.
This logic channel colors....I want them too.

You will...

[rf-loop]

This logic channel colors....I want them too.

Be patient... it is in some pipeline...but perhaps there is still some more urgent things...

[tautech]

At least there is already a "placeholder" on the Chinese website.
Possibly an answer to Rigol's DHO800/900 after all... We don't know, maybe nothing will come at all.

Today I discover otherwise.

We will see SDS800X HD quite soon.

[sebyon]

Today I discover otherwise.

We will see SDS800X HD quite soon.

..."soon".

So, some point between now and the end of time?

[Antonio90]

Ah... the SOON^TM of release dates. Better than unfinished product anyway.

[Warhawk]

Ah... the SOON^TM of release dates. Better than unfinished product anyway.

I need to save money for my 3rd scope anyways