Tariffs

[themadhippy]

Even if they leave the usa dont they still have to pay tax to uncle sam?

[zapta]

I have many friends in America and other countries facing serious financial disruption as a result. Because you're here demanding other nations harm themselves to benefit you.

1. Every change causes disruption with winner and losers, including rebalancing international trade.

2. Nothing is demanded from your country. If you want to trade with the US then do, and if you don't, then don't.

Nobody owe you a thing, even the US.

[Monkeh]

2. Nothing is demanded from your country.

I expect them to understand and to cooperate

Pick a line and stick to it.

Nobody owe you a thing, even the US.

Nobody owes the US anything. You, or at least, the government you chose, are demanding things from other countries. You are behaving as if they owe you the purchase of goods they do not want in exchange for selling you things you do.

Did you miss how Canada is the target of tariffs as a punitive^[1] measure until they respond to a demand that they secure their outgoing border against purported drug trade? Never mind that inbound border security is your job, you demand others do it for you..

_{[1] Against your own citizens who actually pay}

[TimFox]

I have many friends in America and other countries facing serious financial disruption as a result. Because you're here demanding other nations harm themselves to benefit you.

1. Every change causes disruption with winner and losers, including rebalancing international trade.

2. Nothing is demanded from your country. If you want to trade with the US then do, and if you don't, then don't.

Nobody owe you a thing, even the US.

But if you are too good at trading with the US, you must be punished.

[bte]

Even if they leave the usa dont they still have to pay tax to uncle sam?

Anecdotal info: I was a US green card holder a long time ago. After I returned, I learnt that the privileges of the card expired one year after I returned. However, I was still required to report income and pay taxes if needed. So I made the effort of turning the card in at the embassy (which was in another city) and I was granted a 10-year tourist visa. I used that once (four years after I got it) to visit old friends and say hi.

Anecdotal info 2: Before I left US, I also visited the Social Security office. I was told that I had enough credits for retirement benefits according to current law but since it wasn't an acquired right at that point, it wasn't certain if I would be entitled when my age comes. The officer said that it's no problem for them to send payments to any country even if you are not a citizen but the rules could change anytime. If I live long enough (10+ more years), I would like to see how that will turn out. With the recent changes to the Social Security like needing to show up personally for inquiries and applications, I am not sure if I can even apply anymore (nearest visa appointment from US embassy is more than a year away for tourist visas).

[zapta]

But if you are too good at trading with the US, you must be punished.

"Punished" suggests entitlement.

The US is not interested in imbalanced trade with your country and will buy less. Nobody owe you a thing.

[Sorama]

But if you are too good at trading with the US, you must be punished.

"Punished" suggests entitlement.

The US is not interested in imbalanced trade with your country and will buy less. Nobody owe you a thing.

Can’t wait until you have to pay much more for all the stuff you buy from other countries.
Or start complaining you can’t buy the items at all.

The people of the US are the ones that will be most f*cked.

[zapta]

Can’t wait until you have to pay much more for all the stuff you buy from other countries.
Or start complaining you can’t buy the items at all.

The people of the US are the ones that will be most f*cked.

That's an internal matter to the US and none of your business.

The US is a black box that chose to buy less from your country as it's entitled to do.

[Monkeh]

But if you are too good at trading with the US, you must be punished.

"Punished" suggests entitlement.

The US is not interested in imbalanced trade with your country and will buy less. Nobody owe you a thing.

You must surely just be trolling at this point.

[zapta]

You must surely just be trolling at this point.

Not at all.

The US chose to buy less from your country, deal with it. Nobody owe you a thing.

[Monkeh]

You must surely just be trolling at this point.

Not at all.

The US chose to buy less from your country, deal with it. Nobody owe you a thing.

No, the government chosen by some of the US chose to charge extreme tariffs under false pretenses and then lie to the people paying them, but apart from that.. you were addressing an American. So either you're trolling or that's just how little attention you pay.

[zapta]

So either you're trolling or that's just how little attention you pay.

If you say so. Have a nice day.

[tggzzz]

So either you're trolling or that's just how little attention you pay.

If you say so. Have a nice day.

Trolling.

I've been wondering that for a few days. Today that became clear.

[Sorama]

that's exactly our business!

the US is imposing other countries how to run their business, so the same goes for the US:
stay out of others business and don't interfere with their markets.

[tggzzz]

But if you are too good at trading with the US, you must be punished.

"Punished" suggests entitlement.

The US is not interested in imbalanced trade with your country and will buy less. Nobody owe you a thing.

Can’t wait until you have to pay much more for all the stuff you buy from other countries.
Or start complaining you can’t buy the items at all.

The people of the US are the ones that will be most f*cked.

Currently many of the people who voted for Trump have no regrets, even if they are being hurt a little. There's no sign of buyers remorse. Why not? Because they see the people they hate being hurt more, e.g. elite institutions, scapegoats and bogeymen that the Republican party has spent years blaming for the state of the US.

Most of his supporters don't care about (temporary) falls in the stock market, because they don't have shares and know they are at the bottom end of vast inequality. When that happens, people are happy to burn the (i.e. someone else's) house down.

The only thing that has caused Trump to pause and roll back on his tariffs is the shock he caused to the Treasury bond market.

[TimFox]

But if you are too good at trading with the US, you must be punished.

"Punished" suggests entitlement.

The US is not interested in imbalanced trade with your country and will buy less. Nobody owe you a thing.

If the US were not interested in imbalanced trade, how did it occur?
Did an expeditionary force from other countries land here and force us to accept goods and services?

[Njk]

BTW, it' not of my business, but it seems with the current US administration they have a perfect chance to resolve the long overdue problem of measurement units. To nominate a metric tzar so everyone wishing to get a government contract must use the SI system in the project documentation. Cheap, simple and effective way to finally get rid of MPH, PSI, etc.

[themadhippy]

MPH

You are aware the usa aint the only place to use MPH?

[TimFox]

BTW, it' not of my business, but it seems with the current US administration they have a perfect chance to resolve the long overdue problem of measurement units. To nominate a metric tzar so everyone wishing to get a government contract must use the SI system in the project documentation. Cheap, simple and effective way to finally get rid of MPH, PSI, etc.

Perhaps if there were a substantial popular opinion amongst the citizenry to do this, it might happen.
The United States has been on the metric system, and thereafter on SI, since 1959.
In normal commerce, US labels show both "conventional units" (NOT "imperial") and metric.
How would reducing imports of foreign goods, usually labeled in metric, by tariff policy facilitate your idea?

[Wallace Gasiewicz]

We should have been more serious about going metric years ago. then I could have complained bitterly years ago and gotten over it by now,.

[TimFox]

We should have been more serious about going metric years ago. then I could have complained bitterly years ago and gotten over it by now,.

I usually say that the US went metric in 1959, but forgot to tell anyone about it.
(There was a small change in the definition of the US yard, producing a new value for the US inch and mile, to agree with the UK definition.
However, the conventional unit for gasoline and milk, the US gallon, remained at a quite different definition than the Imperial gallon, used in the UK and Canada at that time.)

[floobydust]

BTW, it' not of my business, but it seems with the current US administration they have a perfect chance to resolve the long overdue problem of measurement units. To nominate a metric tzar so everyone wishing to get a government contract must use the SI system in the project documentation. Cheap, simple and effective way to finally get rid of MPH, PSI, etc.

Trolling about the Metric system? This can be a barb but the West has bigger fish to fry.
Being next door to the USA, Canadians are accustomed to using either measurement system. Simple math, no problem, we know both as well as the British measurement units.
Some industries are Imperial measurement only, others Metric. Not a trading or economic concern at all.

[Zero999]

BTW, it' not of my business, but it seems with the current US administration they have a perfect chance to resolve the long overdue problem of measurement units. To nominate a metric tzar so everyone wishing to get a government contract must use the SI system in the project documentation. Cheap, simple and effective way to finally get rid of MPH, PSI, etc.

Trolling about the Metric system? This can be a barb but the West has bigger fish to fry.
Being next door to the USA, Canadians are accustomed to using either measurement system. Simple math, no problem, we know both as well as the British measurement units.
Some industries are Imperial measurement only, others Metric. Not a trading or economic concern at all.

It makes no difference, since anyone with basic arithmetic can convert between units and nowadays computers can do it in the blink of an eye.  Anyway, it's off-topic and will get this thread locked.

But if you are too good at trading with the US, you must be punished.

"Punished" suggests entitlement.

The US is not interested in imbalanced trade with your country and will buy less. Nobody owe you a thing.

Can’t wait until you have to pay much more for all the stuff you buy from other countries.
Or start complaining you can’t buy the items at all.

The people of the US are the ones that will be most f*cked.

Currently many of the people who voted for Trump have no regrets, even if they are being hurt a little. There's no sign of buyers remorse. Why not? Because they see the people they hate being hurt more, e.g. elite institutions, scapegoats and bogeymen that the Republican party has spent years blaming for the state of the US.

Most of his supporters don't care about (temporary) falls in the stock market, because they don't have shares and know they are at the bottom end of vast inequality. When that happens, people are happy to burn the (i.e. someone else's) house down.

The only thing that has caused Trump to pause and roll back on his tariffs is the shock he caused to the Treasury bond market.

Money isn't everything. Many people will vote for something even if it makes them financially worse off.

And what if there's some truth that elite institutions are causing everyday people harm? I can think of many instances when that's been the case, but it's off topic and not something we should debate here.

[Andy Chee]

It targets countries with imbalanced trade, and I expect them to understand and to cooperate in balancing the trade.

Wrong

Trump’s tariffs ALSO targets countries with pre-existing balanced trade.

The only reason why you didn’t know that is because you refuse to listen.

[zapta]

It targets countries with imbalanced trade, and I expect them to understand and to cooperate in balancing the trade.

Wrong

Trump’s tariffs ALSO targets countries with pre-existing balanced trade.

The only reason why you didn’t know that is because you refuse to listen.

Yes, countries like Australia, got the minimal global tariff of 10%.

Nobody owe you a thing.