Tariffs

[PlainName]

Calling politicians and monarchs and generals by a nickname is a time honoured tradition, and is in no way confined to the schoolyard. Some expressions of them are worth large sums of money.

Spitting Image for instance, or Dead Ringers, two classic British comedies, who pull no punches on either side of the political spectrum.

Indeed, but those are intended to be wholly silly and aren't have a notionally serious (or at least non-stupid) discussion.

Political satire is not “wholly silly”.

Political satire is intended to take the piss, and is not appropriate in a non-silly discussion.

[TimFox]

Political satire has been important in history since before Aristophanes (q.v.).
“The Birds” is still humorous, but not silly.

[tggzzz]

Calling politicians and monarchs and generals by a nickname is a time honoured tradition, and is in no way confined to the schoolyard. Some expressions of them are worth large sums of money.

Spitting Image for instance, or Dead Ringers, two classic British comedies, who pull no punches on either side of the political spectrum.

Indeed, but those are intended to be wholly silly and aren't have a notionally serious (or at least non-stupid) discussion.

Political satire is not “wholly silly”.

Political satire is intended to take the piss, and is not appropriate in a non-silly discussion.

Completely false.

The definition of satire is easily found at the links below. If you want it to mean something else, please state the definition you are using.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/satire
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/satire
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/satire_n
https://www.britannica.com/art/satire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

[Analog Kid]

Calling politicians and monarchs and generals by a nickname is a time honoured tradition, and is in no way confined to the schoolyard. Some expressions of them are worth large sums of money.

Spitting Image for instance, or Dead Ringers, two classic British comedies, who pull no punches on either side of the political spectrum.

Indeed, but those are intended to be wholly silly and aren't have a notionally serious (or at least non-stupid) discussion.

Completely wrong.

Jesters have held a valued and privileged position throughout history, for very good reasons.

As the old proverb puts it "many a truth is spoken in jest".

So how does this square with your preference for suppression of "free speech"?
Doesn't this veer dangerously close to "misinformation"?

(To me, it doesn't. But I'm querying your views on this, and the consistency of those views.)

[tggzzz]

Calling politicians and monarchs and generals by a nickname is a time honoured tradition, and is in no way confined to the schoolyard. Some expressions of them are worth large sums of money.

Spitting Image for instance, or Dead Ringers, two classic British comedies, who pull no punches on either side of the political spectrum.

Indeed, but those are intended to be wholly silly and aren't have a notionally serious (or at least non-stupid) discussion.

Completely wrong.

Jesters have held a valued and privileged position throughout history, for very good reasons.

As the old proverb puts it "many a truth is spoken in jest".

So how does this square with your preference for suppression of "free speech"?
Doesn't this veer dangerously close to "misinformation"?

(To me, it doesn't. But I'm querying your views on this, and the consistency of those views.)

Firstly, what on earth are you on about?

Secondly, limits, intentions, and foreseeable consequences, dear boy.

[MT]

Speaking of Trump derangement syndrome, whatever that is , on the question of Trumps tariffs Trump says Americans maybe should have just 5 pens instead of 250. Perhaps part of his previous 3D chess.

MODERATOR EDIT: Video removed.

[EEVblog]

Speaking of Trump derangement syndrome, whatever that is , on the question of Trumps tariffs Trump says Americans maybe should have just 5 pens instead of 250. Perhaps part of his previous 3D chess.

I have removed your video, please do not post political videos like this on this forum.

[EEVblog]

Email from Sendle (my local shipper that uses a whole host of other services to ship cheaper than direct courier).

Hi Sendler

Just a quick heads-up about important changes that may affect your shipments from Australia to the United States.

From 2 May, new U.S. customs regulations mean that all goods made in China or Hong Kong will be subject to tariffs—regardless of their value. These changes are part of a broader update to US trade policy, which includes higher duties and stricter checks on parcels from these regions. That could mean longer customs clearance times and extra fees if parcel information isn’t accurate.

We want to keep international shipping as smooth and predictable as possible for you. That’s why we’re building a Delivered Duty Paid (DDP) shipping option. It will let you calculate and pay all costs—including tariffs—upfront, so there are no sneaky surprises at delivery. It should also help your parcels clear customs faster and reach your customers sooner.

In the meantime, here’s what you’ll need to do for all US-bound shipments:

Include a 10-digit HS code for each item (some items can't be sent via Sendle. See the full list of ineligible HS codes here)
Declare the correct country of manufacture and item value
Double-check your details—a penalty fee (plus any tariff differences) may apply if parcels are misdeclared
Still have questions? We’ve put together this resource to walk you through what’s changing and how to ship confidently under the new rules.

As always, we’ll keep you updated as things progress.

The Sendle Team

[1audio]

Without computers this would be borderline impossible. Anyone shipping to the US will need a separate involved calculation for any shipment. Somehow impossible to hide the impact (Amazon got burned proposing to show the tarrifs separatly by Trump) so this will all get more interesting. If a product has components from different countries how are the tariffs calculated? Could shipping China products to the Phillipines and adding a lable  "Made in Phillipines" change the tax rate?

[Kean]

Thanks, I noticed the link given in that thread appears to be quite old, from 2020.

Yeah, I gather it takes quite a while to set up an FTZ.  So it is good they got started on it some time ago, but agree the rules have changed and unfortunately are probably still in a state of flux.

In a more recent article it appears there might still be some doubt about the degree of tariff mitigation possible,

I've not yet read the article in full, but that bit seems to be talking about duty drawbacks.  These apply when Digikey has bought certain product lines from a local supplier who already imported the goods and paid the duty.  When DK then exported some of the items they can (try to) claw back the relevant duties paid, but with the new rules that may not be possible anymore.

The solution to this is presumably for DK to import directly from the COO into their FTZ, but I imagine the local supplier would not like that due to the risk of missing targets and being cut out of future sales commission.  It probably has other drawbacks, so they would need to weigh it up against the losing international sales on those lines.  I don't know if the US government is also trying to screw around with the FTZ rules, which would presumably just cause more chaos.

I agree that the only answer is shopping around to check pricing.  I have been using DK as my primary supplier for a few years now due to discounted pricing and quick shipping.  Before that it was element14 and sometimes Mouser, but element14 account managers became less responsive and quotes no longer offered the same bulk discounts - often quoted prices worked out more expensive than general website discounts.  Then e14 went and shut down the local Sydney warehouse, so all stock has to come from overseas.

I also regularly check stock and prices at TME in Poland, and while they don't offer free shipping deals, their pricing on some items I previously bought from e14 can easily offset that.  I imagine that TME will get more business due to the US tariffs.  Same with other non-US disties Ive used, like Chip1Stop in Japan.  It seems like the shortages during Covid helped prepare us for alternative sourcing options we may need for the next few years.

[Simmed]

now its on movies 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr7e2z1rxyo

US President Donald Trump says he will hit movies made in foreign countries with 100% tariffs, as he ramps up trade disputes with nations around the world.

so what will happen to netflix ? increase subs ? 

[Gyro]

now its on movies 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr7e2z1rxyo

US President Donald Trump says he will hit movies made in foreign countries with 100% tariffs, as he ramps up trade disputes with nations around the world.

so what will happen to netflix ? increase subs ? 

I doubt  his assertion that 'America's movie industry is dying "a very fast death"' has anything to do with the rest of the world, and rather more to do with the very limited imagination of Hollywood producers as to what will sell. At a 100% tariff on non US made films, I suspect that the domestic audience will be subject to their very limited view understanding of history and world events.

On the up side it looks as if films featuring daring escapes from Alcatraz will soon have a new lease of life!
( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze17n02gego )

[iMo]

Every Chauncey Gardiner, wherever he may be in the world, longs for his beloved garden to flourish in full bloom..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_There

PS: a great movie, I recommend to watch..

[MT]

Speaking of Trump derangement syndrome, whatever that is , on the question of Trumps tariffs Trump says Americans maybe should have just 5 pens instead of 250. Perhaps part of his previous 3D chess.

I have removed your video, please do not post political videos like this on this forum.

Ok , but isnt this thread political in it self and every second post a comment on a political based decisions of sort?  Personally i dont see the Trump clown show as particularly political , surprising for some perhaps, more a geo strategic banker mafia finance movements of some sort. Tariffs viewed as a political act it makes no sense at all as excessive tariffs dont work in a global context evidently so. That buying components and designing electronic devices "around" tariffs in it self then a political act and a self punishment.   Clearly tariffing non existing exports from penguins an polar bears is not political but something else.

[NE666]

so what will happen to netflix ?

I highly doubt that the details and complexities on how tariffs might apply to services 'imports' have crossed his mind for an instant.

AFAIK, the US and most other countries do not and have not historically levied tariffs for services.

[themadhippy]

so what will happen to netflix ?

share price will drop,certain partys will buy em up just before a u turn is  announced ,making them a nice profit

[tom66]

I don't even know how you'd go about valuing a movie for Netflix or other streaming services.  Say Netflix produces a film in the UK, and for the US market they're the only consumers, so it is "imported" into the US.  They produce the film because it either encourages new subscribers to join or keeps existing ones, but ultimately there isn't a dollar amount being transferred for the rights to that film: they directly hire the screenwriters, producers, actors, pay for the sets and so on, hoping for a return on their investment - I'm sure you could add that up, but it wouldn't be trivial, you'd have to dig into the minutia of the accounts of Netflix which I don't think has ever been done outside of cases involving fraud or embezzlement since it involves corporate secrets.  In many cases, only the filming would take place in the UK; the screenwriters and executive producers may well be based in the USA, so determining the balance could be challenging.  It's quite insane, but then who would expect anything less from this president.

[MK14]

I just deleted a post.  If you have seen it, sorry.  It was produced in error.

The search had led to some confusion (of the written new tariff rules).

There is possibly going to be further charges, but not anywhere nearly as high as I originally thought.

Edit:
I'm still confused as to the exact meaning.

The tariffs, seem to say, something like plus 120% of value or a flat fee of $100 (increasing to $200 on 1st June 2025).

Do they mean, the fee is the lesser of 120% of the value or $100/$200?

Or do they mean it is the highest of (120% of value and $100/$200)?

Example (but I think there are other sources):

special tariff on international postal parcels from China and Hong Kong effective May 2, 2025, to either 120% ad valorem or $100 per postal item (to be increased to $200 per postal item beginning June 1, 2025).

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/trump-administration-modifies-tariff-5069563/

[Monkeh]

I'm still confused as to the exact meaning.

Postal carriers must either charge a duty of 120% of the value, or a fixed fee of $100 (or soon, $200) per package. They must pick one method for all packages. The fixed fee offers an easier mechanism for the carriers, as they don't have to worry about any sort of calculation or verifying the details - and it's so high, they'll never ever choose that method, resulting in a total freeze on importing packages while they get a system in place to handle charges on the immense volume of packages which previously didn't require any.

All part of the theatrics.

[vk6zgo]

Calling politicians and monarchs and generals by a nickname is a time honoured tradition, and is in no way confined to the schoolyard. Some expressions of them are worth large sums of money.

Spitting Image for instance, or Dead Ringers, two classic British comedies, who pull no punches on either side of the political spectrum.

Indeed, but those are intended to be wholly silly and aren't have a notionally serious (or at least non-stupid) discussion.

Political satire is not “wholly silly”.

Political satire is intended to take the piss, and is not appropriate in a non-silly discussion.

Completely false.

The definition of satire is easily found at the links below. If you want it to mean something else, please state the definition you are using.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/satire
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/satire
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/satire_n
https://www.britannica.com/art/satire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

The humorous content may be blatant or subtle, but is detectable in true satire.
Unfortunately, various people/organisations churn out barefaced propaganda with not a trace of humour, then weasel out when challenged on it by claiming that it is "satire".

[tggzzz]

Calling politicians and monarchs and generals by a nickname is a time honoured tradition, and is in no way confined to the schoolyard. Some expressions of them are worth large sums of money.

Spitting Image for instance, or Dead Ringers, two classic British comedies, who pull no punches on either side of the political spectrum.

Indeed, but those are intended to be wholly silly and aren't have a notionally serious (or at least non-stupid) discussion.

Political satire is not “wholly silly”.

Political satire is intended to take the piss, and is not appropriate in a non-silly discussion.

Completely false.

The definition of satire is easily found at the links below. If you want it to mean something else, please state the definition you are using.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/satire
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/satire
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/satire_n
https://www.britannica.com/art/satire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

The humorous content may be blatant or subtle, but is detectable in true satire.
Unfortunately, various people/organisations churn out barefaced propaganda with not a trace of humour, then weasel out when challenged on it by claiming that it is "satire".

That definitely happens, but the point remains valid. Variants: "only joking", "can't you take a joke".

[tggzzz]

Stay focused. 

Stay honest.

Where exactly do you live? Sochi?

[pope]

As far as I'm concerned the only Trump's ally is Russia and perhaps Belarus.

Both have dropped the west, not just United States but also Europe, Australia, and everything western. Russian Federation is turned towards East and BRICS -- South America, Africa, India, Asia. Russia is not going to be partners with Europe again, there won't be gas sales (Turkish stream is going to be closed eventually), there won't be any trade. Frankly if Europe wants to deal with China, Russia is not going to be transit country for it.

Frankly, I don't see any reason to argue with someone who proudly poses with a PMC Wagner flag on their forehead.

[u666sa]

So the OP was about strategies to deal with the new US tariffs (which, btw, are likely to not be definitive and many of you probably realize this).

Where are we at with this topic 39 pages later?

Just looking at this topic, two pages back, you have same trolls, war mongers from britain and denmark, constantly derailing this thread.
Correct answer is NOWHERE, this is some political offtopic at this point in time.
This thread should be locked and forgotten. 


By the way, I remember reading DAVE on page 1 or 2, he warned us about locking this thread if it becomes Trump name calling. It has become Trump name calling at this point in time.
So it should be locked. I mean, unless you expect to see something interesting in here. I personally don't.

[u666sa]

There is another tariff related thread, it's about aliexpress. I have ordered stuff from aliexpress during this de-minimus thing and it should be arriving soon. So that would be interesting and productive to follow.