Tariffs

[krish2487]

Yeah... no...
@Zero999 and @Cyclotron...
I have nothing against you guys... and I have tried to be objective and prove reasonable, fact driven links and arguments..
but I dont see that being reciprocated.. so you guys do you... and I ll stick to tech topic even in tariffs.
Id rather not lose my peace of mind on a fucking weekend on an internet forum discussing some dumb cunt running another country...
You guys vote how you want.. say, speak, write what you want.. I m not going to engage with you folks anymore..

Peace out folks...

[Cyclotron]

Of course I'm elitist. The myth that everybody is equal is a pernicious destructive force. You will never be my equal.

We know what happens when arts graduates and MBAs dictate how software is developed, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe you think a lawyer should determine that your prostate cancer (the most common male camcer) needs to be treated, and how. Personally I'd prefer an oncologist to offer me suitable alternatives and let me choose.

Thank you so much for outing yourself so eloquently. You are 100% correct, I believe. I will not, and I will never wish to be, your equal.

[tggzzz]

Oh, the usual left-leaning sites and Ministry of Truth, eh "fact checkers", so a grain of salt is warranted. . .

We realise you would find a way to distrust such sources if they told you that 1+2*3=9, and that only Faux News and Pravda Social "say it as it is".

You're the one blindly believing the likes of Communist National News. i'm not saying it's definitely false. I have my doubts about the accuracy of websites which contain TDS.

So you think I might believe communist propaganda?! You really are clueless about what you don't know.

How many times did you go through the Iron Curtain into communist countries? I have personal experience of what was on the other side.

How many friends do you have whose job was to travel around Soviet bloc countries to determine how well BBC radio broadcasts were being received?

How many friends do you have who got divorced in order that the husband could crawl under the Iron Curtain, then remarried when reunited with his wife and children?

Numbers please.

In case it isn't bleeding obvious to you, I have been recognising propaganda a.k.a. "alternative facts" for a long time. Hence it isn't difficult for me to see through T'rump's bluster, bullying, and behaving like a mobster.

CNN = Communist National News. You like to use silly names for Fox News. Don't get annoyed when others do the same. All I say is I'm sceptical of both

So, what personal experience of communist states do you have? Numbers please.


Faux News is appropriate according to their own lawyers arguments in court! ...

"For instance, in a 2020 case involving a defamation suit against host Laura Ingraham, Fox’s lawyers reiterated that their programming is not held to the same standards of factual accuracy as traditional news outlets, reinforcing the network’s entertainment identity."
https://publicstance.com/fox-news-entertainment-not-news-by-its-own-admission/

Too damn right it isn't!

[tggzzz]

Of course I'm elitist. The myth that everybody is equal is a pernicious destructive force. You will never be my equal.

We know what happens when arts graduates and MBAs dictate how software is developed, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe you think a lawyer should determine that your prostate cancer (the most common male camcer) needs to be treated, and how. Personally I'd prefer an oncologist to offer me suitable alternatives and let me choose.

Thank you so much for outing yourself so eloquently. You are 100% correct, I believe. I will not, and I will never wish to be, your equal.

Precisely!

Now, would you be content if a lawyer chose your prostate cancer treatment?

Because that's the consequence of being rabidly anti elitist as per

I read it, in much disbelief, I must say. I can't believe anyone in this day and age would suggest an elitist system of "Qualified people make the decisions."

[Cyclotron]

Yeah... no...
@Zero999 and @Cyclotron...
I have nothing against you guys... and I have tried to be objective and prove reasonable, fact driven links and arguments..
but I dont see that being reciprocated.. so you guys do you... and I ll stick to tech topic even in tariffs.
Id rather not lose my peace of mind on a fucking weekend on an internet forum discussing some dumb cunt running another country...
You guys vote how you want.. say, speak, write what you want.. I m not going to engage with you folks anymore..

Peace out folks...

You called a leader of a country a bunch of things which are either half-truths or outright lies, claimed this thread was to give it a go about the USA and Trump, and accused me of not being objective and reasonable?  That's rich.

Peace out indeed.

[Cyclotron]

Of course I'm elitist. The myth that everybody is equal is a pernicious destructive force. You will never be my equal.

We know what happens when arts graduates and MBAs dictate how software is developed, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe you think a lawyer should determine that your prostate cancer (the most common male camcer) needs to be treated, and how. Personally I'd prefer an oncologist to offer me suitable alternatives and let me choose.

Thank you so much for outing yourself so eloquently. You are 100% correct, I believe. I will not, and I will never wish to be, your equal.

Precisely!

Now, would you be content if a lawyer chose your prostate cancer treatment? Because that's the consequence of being rabidly anti elitist.

Precisely what? You know what they call the doctor who barely passed medical school and the lawyer who barely passed the bar on the 20th attempt?
You attribute blindness, but are blind to your own. On the contrary, I want to select my treatment. Thank you very much. You keep trusting your elite peeps.
Jones was elite, drink the kool-aid.

[Zero999]

Yeah... no...
@Zero999 and @Cyclotron...
I have nothing against you guys... and I have tried to be objective and prove reasonable, fact driven links and arguments..
but I dont see that being reciprocated.. so you guys do you... and I ll stick to tech topic even in tariffs.
Id rather not lose my peace of mind on a fucking weekend on an internet forum discussing some dumb cunt running another country...
You guys vote how you want.. say, speak, write what you want.. I m not going to engage with you folks anymore..

Peace out folks...

Looks like Cyclotron beat me to it. All I'll say is I have no ill-will towards you. Peace.

And as far as voting. I have no clue as who to vote for. I don't trust any of the parties in Westminster. They're all corrupt in some way. It will just pick the least worst one or maybe I'll spoil my paper.

Oh, the usual left-leaning sites and Ministry of Truth, eh "fact checkers", so a grain of salt is warranted. . .

We realise you would find a way to distrust such sources if they told you that 1+2*3=9, and that only Faux News and Pravda Social "say it as it is".

You're the one blindly believing the likes of Communist National News. i'm not saying it's definitely false. I have my doubts about the accuracy of websites which contain TDS.

So you think I might believe communist propaganda?! You really are clueless about what you don't know.

How many times did you go through the Iron Curtain into communist countries? I have personal experience of what was on the other side.

How many friends do you have whose job was to travel around Soviet bloc countries to determine how well BBC radio broadcasts were being received?

How many friends do you have who got divorced in order that the husband could crawl under the Iron Curtain, then remarried when reunited with his wife and children?

Numbers please.

In case it isn't bleeding obvious to you, I have been recognising propaganda a.k.a. "alternative facts" for a long time. Hence it isn't difficult for me to see through T'rump's bluster, bullying, and behaving like a mobster.

CNN = Communist National News. You like to use silly names for Fox News. Don't get annoyed when others do the same. All I say is I'm sceptical of both

So, what personal experience of communist states do you have? Numbers please.


Faux News is appropriate according to their own lawyers arguments in court! ...

"For instance, in a 2020 case involving a defamation suit against host Laura Ingraham, Fox’s lawyers reiterated that their programming is not held to the same standards of factual accuracy as traditional news outlets, reinforcing the network’s entertainment identity."
https://publicstance.com/fox-news-entertainment-not-news-by-its-own-admission/

Too damn right it isn't!

I meant Communist as in far-left. CNN are a lefty news organisation, just like Fox are right-wing.

And CNN have had their fair share of controversies. Yes I know it's Wikipedia, but I consider them to be slightly left-leaning, which is reflective of academia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies

[Analog Kid]

Faux News is appropriate according to their own lawyers arguments in court! ...

"For instance, in a 2020 case involving a defamation suit against host Laura Ingraham, Fox’s lawyers reiterated that their programming is not held to the same standards of factual accuracy as traditional news outlets, reinforcing the network’s entertainment identity."
https://publicstance.com/fox-news-entertainment-not-news-by-its-own-admission/

Too damn right it isn't!

Care to compare and contrast that to another very well known case of journalistic mendacity and outright fabrication?
Judith Miller's mostly made-up reporting in the run-up to the Iraq War (I), reportage that actually helped grease the wheels for that illegal, counterproductive, destructive, needless, etc., etc., attack.

This in the vaunted, oh-so-above-it-all New York Times.
Which never suffered a single lawsuit, demand for clarification or withdrawal of Pulitzer Prizes.
Not one single fucking retraction was ever printed about this egregious case of simply lying.
And her career didn't even suffer!

Which goes to show that "journalists" (i.e., stenographers to power) who do the bidding of the "deep state"/"blob"/whatever you want to call the actual functioning administration of the U.S. empire's actual, not stated, policies are always protected from any such consequences.

[Cyclotron]

Of course I'm elitist. The myth that everybody is equal is a pernicious destructive force. You will never be my equal.

We know what happens when arts graduates and MBAs dictate how software is developed, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe you think a lawyer should determine that your prostate cancer (the most common male camcer) needs to be treated, and how. Personally I'd prefer an oncologist to offer me suitable alternatives and let me choose.

Thank you so much for outing yourself so eloquently. You are 100% correct, I believe. I will not, and I will never wish to be, your equal.

I was curious about how much your statements indicate your views and their distinct alignment with Trump's. I haven't noted, are you a huge MAGA/Trump fan?

[PlainName]

I haven't noted, are you a huge MAGA/Trump fan?

ROFL!!!

Oh boy, that's got to be the fun post of the day, if not the week 

[Analog Kid]

Of course I'm elitist. The myth that everybody is equal is a pernicious destructive force. You will never be my equal.

We know what happens when arts graduates and MBAs dictate how software is developed, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe you think a lawyer should determine that your prostate cancer (the most common male camcer) needs to be treated, and how. Personally I'd prefer an oncologist to offer me suitable alternatives and let me choose.

Thank you so much for outing yourself so eloquently. You are 100% correct, I believe. I will not, and I will never wish to be, your equal.

I was curious about how much your statements indicate your views and their distinct alignment with Trump's. I haven't noted, are you a huge MAGA/Trump fan?

Whoa. Wait just a minute there.
The quote attribution for this post is all screwed up (you seem to be asking yourself if you're a MAGA/Trump fan).

If you're asking that of @tggzzz, that's a silly question. (Unless you're trying to be ironic.)

So what's the actual intent of your post there?

[Cyclotron]

Of course I'm elitist. The myth that everybody is equal is a pernicious destructive force. You will never be my equal.

We know what happens when arts graduates and MBAs dictate how software is developed, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe you think a lawyer should determine that your prostate cancer (the most common male camcer) needs to be treated, and how. Personally I'd prefer an oncologist to offer me suitable alternatives and let me choose.

Thank you so much for outing yourself so eloquently. You are 100% correct, I believe. I will not, and I will never wish to be, your equal.

I was curious about how much your statements indicate your views and their distinct alignment with Trump's. I haven't noted, are you a huge MAGA/Trump fan?

Whoa. Wait just a minute there.
The quote attribution for this post is all screwed up (you seem to be asking yourself if you're a MAGA/Trump fan).

If you're asking that of @tggzzz, that's a silly question. (Unless you're trying to be ironic.)

So what's the actual intent of your post there?

I'm not sure if the quotes imply a reply, but rather provide context. Without quoting, I could have modified my previous post, but the new one was another thought, and I believed it was worthy of its own post, but in the same context.

Trump has an elitist view, and that's pretty well documented. I can provide some documentation if that's what's missing. @tggzzz just made statements that I would wholeheartedly believe came from Trump's mouth if someone had said that were the case.

[Analog Kid]

I'm not sure if the quotes imply a reply, [...]

They do, but on second look, your reply is correctly attributed.
For some reason it looked wrong to me.

Continue.

[tggzzz]

Of course I'm elitist. The myth that everybody is equal is a pernicious destructive force. You will never be my equal.

We know what happens when arts graduates and MBAs dictate how software is developed, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe you think a lawyer should determine that your prostate cancer (the most common male camcer) needs to be treated, and how. Personally I'd prefer an oncologist to offer me suitable alternatives and let me choose.

Thank you so much for outing yourself so eloquently. You are 100% correct, I believe. I will not, and I will never wish to be, your equal.

Precisely!

Now, would you be content if a lawyer chose your prostate cancer treatment? Because that's the consequence of being rabidly anti elitist.

Precisely what? You know what they call the doctor who barely passed medical school and the lawyer who barely passed the bar on the 20th attempt?
You attribute blindness, but are blind to your own. On the contrary, I want to select my treatment. Thank you very much. You keep trusting your elite peeps.
Jones was elite, drink the kool-aid.

Precisely: we are not equals and never will be equals - even though lazy populist statements and HR-droids frequently state that everybody is equal.

You appear to be being perverse in deliberately ignoring what I wrote. Either that or your comprehension skills need honing. Re-read the highlighted statement.

[Cyclotron]

Of course I'm elitist. The myth that everybody is equal is a pernicious destructive force. You will never be my equal.

We know what happens when arts graduates and MBAs dictate how software is developed, etc, etc, etc.

Or maybe you think a lawyer should determine that your prostate cancer (the most common male camcer) needs to be treated, and how. Personally I'd prefer an oncologist to offer me suitable alternatives and let me choose.

Thank you so much for outing yourself so eloquently. You are 100% correct, I believe. I will not, and I will never wish to be, your equal.

Precisely!

Now, would you be content if a lawyer chose your prostate cancer treatment? Because that's the consequence of being rabidly anti elitist.

Precisely what? You know what they call the doctor who barely passed medical school and the lawyer who barely passed the bar on the 20th attempt?
You attribute blindness, but are blind to your own. On the contrary, I want to select my treatment. Thank you very much. You keep trusting your elite peeps.
Jones was elite, drink the kool-aid.

Precisely: we are not equals and never will be equals - even though lazy populist statements and HR-droids frequently state that everybody is equal.

You appear to be being perverse in deliberately ignoring what I wrote. Either that or your comprehension skills need honing. Re-read the highlighted statement.

I do ignore large chunks of information. What you have proposed makes people dumber, and they should ignore it.
So, yes, you caught me. I'm guilty and will remain guilty of ignoring drivel like that.

There's nothing wrong with Arts grads or MBAs dictating software development. The biggest problem in software is engineers who believe they know best.
Software people write code, which makes them coders, not experts on what the outcomes of the development process should be. If we follow your illogical flow, then AI should decide legal decisions (AI has passed the bar exam), AI should give you your treatment plan (It is more accurate in many cases than physicians). 
If you have ever watched the movie Idiocracy, that's precisely what you are trying to encourage. 

I'll give you a brief education. Humans are at least 99.9% identical. Claiming that some bit of paper, school, or anything makes one superior to the other is dumb.
Elitism is viewed negatively because it can undermine social equality, stifle innovation, reduce social mobility, and erode public trust. It is the belief that a small group of people, the elite, should have disproportionate power and influence because they are inherently superior in intellect, talent, or wealth. This attitude clashes with democratic and egalitarian values, which assert that all individuals have equal worth.

Obviously, you and Donald Trump agree, so I'm surprised by some of the other posts on here that claim otherwise.

Elitism prevents true meritocracy. Trust is earned through merit. You should investigate these two concepts in more depth and understand the differences.

[Cyclotron]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgj7jxkq58o

This is certainly an interesting turn, though there's a long way to go in the courts to finalize anything. It will be interesting to see how it all settles out.

[Andy Chee]

With two contributors posting the majority of words over the last two pages, yet nothing about tariffs, and venturing deeply into politics….

Should this thread be locked permanently? Or  the very least temporarily closed for a cool-down?

In tariff news though, the appeals court has ruled Trump’s global tariffs as unlawful. Expect it to be taken to the Supreme Court.

[Analog Kid]

No.

[vad]

Quick check on inflation:

1) Official inflation is slowly creeping up (PCE 2.9% vs. 2.8% in July) as tariffs start rippling through the economy.
2) Real inflation feels much higher. Beef is up 40%. Today I paid $35 per pound for USDA Prime strip steak from Nebraska, compared to $25 per pound in early spring. Seasonal fruits and vegetables are up 25-50% from last year.
3) Egg prices remain about double what they were before the avian disease outbreak.
4) Petrol prices have been stable for 1.5 years, holding steady at $2.99 per gallon where I fill up.
5) Gold is at an ATH, which suggests the real value of the dollar is at a historic low.

I like our president for many things, but he is economically illiterate.

[Cyclotron]

With two contributors posting the majority of words over the last two pages, yet nothing about tariffs, and venturing deeply into politics….

Should this thread be locked permanently? Or  the very least temporarily closed for a cool-down?

In tariff news though, the appeals court has ruled Trump’s global tariffs as unlawful. Expect it to be taken to the Supreme Court.

I've posted two links about tariffs on this page alone.  One about this latest court ruling. One was about the impacts of the tariffs on India.

[Cyclotron]

With two contributors posting the majority of words over the last two pages, yet nothing about tariffs, and venturing deeply into politics….

To be clear, tariffs can't be discussed without politics. The one is the tool of the other.

[tautech]

With two contributors posting the majority of words over the last two pages, yet nothing about tariffs, and venturing deeply into politics….

To be clear, tariffs can't be discussed without politics. The one is the tool of the other.

I quite disagree.

Tariffs are a protectionist tool to be used when warranted for industry and job security NOT thrown about willy nilly on all imports and used as a political tool with little real basis for its use.

A jewelers hammer is far more selective than the FBH currently being wielded.

[Cyclotron]

With two contributors posting the majority of words over the last two pages, yet nothing about tariffs, and venturing deeply into politics….

To be clear, tariffs can't be discussed without politics. The one is the tool of the other.

I quite disagree.

Tariffs are a protectionist tool to be used when warranted for industry and job security NOT thrown about willy nilly on all imports and used as a political tool with little real basis for its use.

A jewelers hammer is far more selective than the FBH currently being wielded.

I don't know of anyone who uses tariffs other than politicians. That's why I do not believe you can't separate politics from the topic of tariffs. 

[Analog Kid]

I don't know of anyone who uses tariffs other than politicians. That's why I do not believe you can't separate politics from the topic of tariffs.

On this I agree with you.
In theory--that purely intellectual construct more honored in the breach--tariffs are strictly economic measures, undertaken after sober and careful consideration of all their consequences and side effects.

Hah! What world would you have to live in to believe that bullshit?
Tariffs have just as much to do with politics--pure partisan politics, including payback and other non-economic motivators--as economics and actual trade. As we've seen in spades this year.

[tautech]

With two contributors posting the majority of words over the last two pages, yet nothing about tariffs, and venturing deeply into politics….

To be clear, tariffs can't be discussed without politics. The one is the tool of the other.

I quite disagree.

Tariffs are a protectionist tool to be used when warranted for industry and job security NOT thrown about willy nilly on all imports and used as a political tool with little real basis for its use.

A jewelers hammer is far more selective than the FBH currently being wielded.

I don't know of anyone who uses tariffs other than politicians. That's why I do not believe you can't separate politics from the topic of tariffs.

Sure but in the current US case, done by executive order whereas in other administrations enacted by majority consensus......aka democracy.