Just so.
I don't know of anything that can prevent people being led to their doom, especially if the leaders really do believe they are going in the right direction. Some of the Brexit leaders did believe that.
I had asked earlier if it is as bad as whats being shown in the UK and never got an answer. I haven't been to the UK in about 24 years so all I can go by is whats in the mainstream news and independents. Both sources don't seem to picture a cheery multicultural melting pot.
Newspaper Le Figaro says Mr Johnson "gives the impression of being guided by opportunism".
The newspaper says the UK's new foreign secretary's political career has seen him change his mind on gay marriage and on Turkey joining the EU.
Pierre Jova writes in the paper: "Although, he has a 'clown' image which delighted the tabloids with his antics and punchy statements, he was a comrade of David Cameron at Eton and Oxford and is a pure product of the British conservative aristocracy raised to govern."
Any other city will be noticeably more diverse than it was even 10 years ago.
Overall the UK is nothing like it was 30 years ago, back then it was clearly a homogeneous white culture, now the only place that still exists is in small rural villages.
You'll get used to it. If I enter a restaurant with onlywhiteCaucasian people I feel weird.
You'll get used to it. If I enter a restaurant with onlywhiteCaucasian people I feel weird.
What if I don't want to get used to it?
If I wanted to experience the curious customs of another culture then I'd get on a plane, take pictures and get diarrhoea.
One of the things I used to like about the UK was a shared sense of belonging, now I don't belong anywhere - and annoyingly this major lifestyle decision was made for me by a group of people that I despise.
Wow that just happened. I thought you were referring to the attack at the concert. They are getting so frequent over there I can't keep track any more.
I bet if I was French and living there, I'd be furious.
It's just craziness.
They want to live by the sword, and actually go round killing people. Instead of diplomacy/democracy.
It is totally unacceptable. If we let nonsense like that carry on, it would probably end the West, as we know it.
Have they identified the driver yet?
Assuming it is ISIS again. They definitely need to be stopped. Their goal is to try to create more hostility between religious groups in west, would be catastrophic if they succeed obviously. Which in turn would give them even more soldiers to their army in Syria. The solution is to crush ISIS as soon as possible!
'Pretty clear' incident was terror attack - expert
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Terrorism expert Claude Moniquet say it is "pretty clear" the incident in Nice was a terror attack. He says the idea was "clearly" to wait until the end of the Euro 2016 football tournament to launch the attack.
He says there has been no official confirmation of guns or grenades being found in the truck, but if those reports prove to be true, it would indicate a "more elaborate" and "more professional" plot.
He says that if the attacker was French, his identity will already be known to authorities.
Officials have yet to confirm whether the incident was a terror attack.
The solution is to crush ISIS as soon as possible!
Difficult to do while adhering to the rules of war anyway, considering they would just drop their uniforms and weapons and fade into the civilian population. The only way to stop or reduce events like this is to put another dictator in charge over there, at least they keep the killing mainily to themselves. The world is not ready for open borders yet, at least some of it isn't anyway.
I think the concern of events like this escalating is one of the reasons BREXIT was successful. Assuming this was yet another islamist chicken shit attack I guess maybe their concerns were justified.
Any other city will be noticeably more diverse than it was even 10 years ago.
Overall the UK is nothing like it was 30 years ago, back then it was clearly a homogeneous white culture, now the only place that still exists is in small rural villages.You'll get used to it. If I enter a restaurant with onlywhiteCaucasian people I feel weird.
So Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson as foreign secretary, that was a bit odd. Not so much that he has insulted people/countries, but will he have the respect of his peers? Seems to me that would be important for a top diplomat. Appears like he is being rewarded by PM May with this position. Can't really make heads or tails of this.
Western democracies aren't truly democracies anymore. The way parties can hold a majority in parliment while not getting anywhere near half the popular vote is not democracy. A prime example is the Ontario liberal crooks managed to get in with a majority of Provincial parliment seats while only getting 19% of the vote, thats absurd. They have no right to dictate policy with numbers like that.
Western democracies aren't truly democracies anymore.
Just so.
I don't know of anything that can prevent people being led to their doom, especially if the leaders really do believe they are going in the right direction. Some of the Brexit leaders did believe that.
Please, please, please ...
If it is ISIS they will claim responsibilty.
You'll get used to it. If I enter a restaurant with onlywhiteCaucasian people I feel weird.
What if I don't want to get used to it?
If I wanted to experience the curious customs of another culture then I'd get on a plane, take pictures and get diarrhoea.
One of the things I used to like about the UK was a shared sense of belonging, now I don't belong anywhere - and annoyingly this major lifestyle decision was made for me by a group of people that I despise.
We shouldn't need to have to put up with huge numbers of horrible attacks in the West, as if we were living in a time of war.
This nonsense is turning the EU into a giant Israel "like" situation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36800730
But I don't know what the perfect answer is.
I wonder to what extent, Brexit was a result of things like that ?
This thread was not meant for discussing recent attacks or ISIS, please can we stay broadly on topic and not get out of control.
Many in Market Place wept openly as those words were spoken, and it was difficult to imagine anyone who could have listened to that speech, and then voted to leave the European Union. But the next evening, as the polls closed, many told me they had done just that. At the Batley Conservative Club, a vast and formerly grand establishment at odds with its dwindling clientele of mostly old, white men, two members, named Darren and Stuart (they declined to offer their surnames), sat at the bar discussing how they had both voted Leave. Darren knew Jo Cox from school and said she was “a lovely lass.” But both men spoke repeatedly about how they had been let down by politicians, particularly on the issue of immigration. Their complaint did not just concern the recent migrants from the E.U. but the older Muslim residents of Batley. Darren put his wish to leave the E.U. partly down to “the change in the town and the feeling in the town. There are certain people who don’t integrate.” Stuart said that “it’s a sad thing what happened last week,” but added, “We just want our country back.” Both men expected the “Jo Cox thing” to have “skewed” the result toward Remain, but they still expected a majority in the district to have voted Leave.
This thread was not meant for discussing recent attacks or ISIS, please can we stay broadly on topic and not get out of control.
Good idea.
How about a new mini-poll:
When do you think Article 50 will be triggered?
This year?
Next Year?
2018?
Never?
I would like to see it done sooner rather than later, but not rushed...
This thread was not meant for discussing recent attacks or ISIS, please can we stay broadly on topic and not get out of control.
Good idea.
How about a new mini-poll:
When do you think Article 50 will be triggered?
This year?
Next Year?
2018?
Never?
I would like to see it done sooner rather than later, but not rushed...
Since it is part of a massive deal, for the UK/EU. I would imagine that the "article 50" stage, is an important chance for them to begin to negotiate.
In other words, even while they trigger the "article 50", they can use its imminent initiation, to get some provisional agreement(s). If not, they wait until a better agreement has been made.
Analogy:
Let's say I was going to buy an expensive scope from you. But we needed to do the transaction, formally, with lots of documentation.
So stage one, might be that I express interest in buying it, and want to know the price.
If I was cheeky, I could pre-contact you or someone in your household, and ask about an agreement to get free postage, for whatever scope we agree that I'm buying.
So what I would really be doing, is discretely starting the bargaining process.
Then I only have to worry about the scope's price. I no longer would need to worry about excessive/greedy postage/delivery charges.
Even the length of time brexit will take, may need bargaining with, before hand, since the two years, would seem to be completely unrealistic, to at least me. If not others.
Simply, it can to happen that the EU don't want negociate more and the great bussiness and corporations get tired and they decide offshoring.