I'm from out of town and my opinion is irrelevant but why should the UK subsidize other countries? Why take money from UK taxpayers and donate it to non-producers?
Why be forced to accept uncontrolled immigration? Especially from groups who want to retain 7th century ideas and have no intention of assimilating? France is swamped by this issue.
The voters of the UK are the people whose opinions count. Do they think the UK gains more from membership than they lose? The opinions of members of government are bought and paid for. It's up to the voters to decide.
In a way, BREXIT is a disrupter in the same way Trump is a disrupter. Things won't be the same if Trump gets elected and it will be up to history to decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Same for BREXIT. Taking the disrupter path guarantees a change!
I agree that healthcare in the US is an abomination but it isn't anywhere near as bad as NHS.
I can often get an appointment with my primary care provider in a matter of hours, not weeks. If I am less concerned about seeing my individual PCP, I can get an appointment in less than an hour. For urgent care I can go to any hospital.
Quote"If the qualified politicians, economists etc. elected to run the country full-time can't agree on what's best, then how am I supposed to decide objectively in my spare-time using soundbite propaganda uttered by both sides and delivered through biased media?
Doesn't sound you have a lot of confidence in your own ability to decide for yourself.
There are a lot of research to suggest that the "uneducated" mass is pretty good at finding a good outcome for themselves without the "elites".
As a "stronger" economy the UK should be supporting others in Europe - it benefits us all in the long term. Remember our gross contribution to Europe is only about 1% of GDP so it is not costing us a lot in relative terms.
I'm from out of town and my opinion is irrelevant but why should the UK subsidize other countries? Why take money from UK taxpayers and donate it to non-producers?
Why be forced to accept uncontrolled immigration? Especially from groups who want to retain 7th century ideas and have no intention of assimilating? France is swamped by this issue.
What I disagree with is when the EU starts interfering with things which have nothing to do with trade, such as the colours of the wires used in fixed electrical installations.
I'm from out of town and my opinion is irrelevant but why should the UK subsidize other countries?And such thinking is the reason why US has completely screwed up healthcare. It's not about health but about money it can suck out of you.
I agree that healthcare in the US is an abomination but it isn't anywhere near as bad as NHS. I can often get an appointment with my primary care provider in a matter of hours, not weeks. If I am less concerned about seeing my individual PCP, I can get an appointment in less than an hour. For urgent care I can go to any hospital. Right now! I have had non-governmental healthcare for nearly 50 years, most often as an employee benefit. In other words, I worked for it!
I don't see the correlation between US healthcare and the UK subsidizing Europe. Isn't there something better to do with 8bn pounds? But it's up to the voters of the UK. I'm just a bystander and waiting anxiously to see how it comes out! Other than the US election, BREXIT is the best show in town.
It does backfire, of course, but the evidence is that immigrants to the UK currently contribute to the economy more than they take back.
The EU is *not* making us take refugees (although other EU countries with land borders may be sharing each other's refugee burden)
Quote"If the qualified politicians, economists etc. elected to run the country full-time can't agree on what's best, then how am I supposed to decide objectively in my spare-time using soundbite propaganda uttered by both sides and delivered through biased media?
Doesn't sound you have a lot of confidence in your own ability to decide for yourself.
To me it sounds like a proper reflection of his own limitations, which is actually commendable, but unfortunately very rare.QuoteThere are a lot of research to suggest that the "uneducated" mass is pretty good at finding a good outcome for themselves without the "elites".
Not really. In fact, there's quite a bit of research showing that masses tend to get more stupid than the average individuum in that crowd, and that in large groups humans pretty much behave like cattle:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/plus2sd/200809/the-stupidity-crowds
People vote against their interest all the time. Hitler was elected, Mussolini, too. For a more recent example, just look at the 2015 general elections in the UK, or the fellowship of Trump.
Considering how many Brits I meet every day that want "out" but know jack shit about the EU and how it works, I have complete confidence that the "great British public" will again vote against their best interest
I agree that healthcare in the US is an abomination but it isn't anywhere near as bad as NHS.It is truly astounding how many Americans parrot this nonsense as if it were an imperishable fact.
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I can often get an appointment with my primary care provider in a matter of hours, not weeks. If I am less concerned about seeing my individual PCP, I can get an appointment in less than an hour. For urgent care I can go to any hospital.And all of this is typically also the case in the UK. Where are you getting your information?
A recent study by a US-based organisation rated the healthcare provision of New Zealand, Australia, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, Britain and the US.
The NHS was rated as the best, and the US came last.
All such ranking exercises have an element of subjectivity, and the NHS certainly has its flaws, but try asking British people how they feel about the NHS, rather than relying on the distortions peddled by the US media.
Nice cartoon at Zerohedge.
As a "stronger" economy the UK should be supporting others in Europe - it benefits us all in the long term. Remember our gross contribution to Europe is only about 1% of GDP so it is not costing us a lot in relative terms.I'm from out of town and my opinion is irrelevant but why should the UK subsidize other countries? Why take money from UK taxpayers and donate it to non-producers?
But if you are ill with something serious, you are screwed. Those healthcare plans also have so many exceptions that it is just ridiculous. With NHS it's otherwise, you won't get free simple treatment blazing fast, but if you have something serious, you will have a decent treatment. In US, you'll die if you are out of money.
Nice cartoon at Zerohedge.
As a "stronger" economy the UK should be supporting others in Europe - it benefits us all in the long term. Remember our gross contribution to Europe is only about 1% of GDP so it is not costing us a lot in relative terms.I'm from out of town and my opinion is irrelevant but why should the UK subsidize other countries? Why take money from UK taxpayers and donate it to non-producers?Google 'Marshall plan'.
I agree that healthcare in the US is an abomination but it isn't anywhere near as bad as NHS.It is truly astounding how many Americans parrot this nonsense as if it were an imperishable fact.
Well as non-American who has experience with both healthcare systems plus the German one I can tell you it's not nonsense.
Dental care in the UK is probably the worst I've ever encountered in any first world country, a lot worse than in Germany and even more so than in the US.
The thing with asking a Brit about the NHS is that the answer quite often is tainted by an inappropriate amount of national pride, usually resulting in the "envy of the world" BS reply. Ask someone who actually has been treated under different healtcare systems, and you'll more likely get a more realistic assessment.
For me, sovereignty is extremely important.
... the lights go out (and they will go out) in a few years ...
For me, sovereignty is extremely important.
How important is sovereignty when we can't defend ourselves - we already borrow ASW aircraft from Canada when there's a Russian sub near Faslane, and if the Argies invade the Falklands we will have to beg the French to lend us their aircraft carrier.
The EU is *not* making us take refugees (although other EU countries with land borders may be sharing each other's refugee burden)
Sharing, that's a nice euphemism for being forced to take refugees or be fined. How long will the UK be allowed not to share?
... the lights go out (and they will go out) in a few years ...
Wow!