Similar thing with this Brexit-vote: Very few voters really understand the big picture, how the things are interrelated, how the decision is really going to affect the voter, his/her family, and how the complex society and economics work in general. The voters want to have a simple, quick-fix for the current problem like immigration, current-government-suck, NHS needs more funding, and do not see how their decision will affect their lives and the general economics tomorrow. And the voters may really genuinely think that they have all the information needed to make the right decision.
If you think the decision process involved in the Brexit-vote (whether vote for "Leave" or "Remain") for each and every voter, and compare it to the forum posts regarding designing a simple power supply "I need to build an adjustable lab power supply" or designing a simple active load "I want to build a simple active load using a MOSFET and op amp" there are quite a lot of similarities. People want quick and fast solutions without having to think too much.
You may say that the task of designing a simple power supply or active load seems pretty simple. But in reality it is actually pretty difficult and you need to have rather good knowledge about the electronics in order to get that right, not ending with a oscillating design or a design with the magic smoke coming out. The task will be very difficult when you need to have it right at first try, no second design allowed, similar to the Brexit-vote.
Typically the designs are based on the simplified application notes or the designs found floating in the Internet which are missing the needed circuit elements to make the design stable and robust. Butt the designer doesn't really really have the knowledge and understanding that is needed in order to make a judgment what is a good design. Actually the designer with limited knowledge and experience typically have a genuine feeling that they do know how to design it properly, and only at later stage find out that the are lacking the needed knowledge.
Similar thing with this Brexit-vote: Very few voters really understand the big picture, how the things are interrelated, how the decision is really going to affect the voter, his/her family, and how the complex society and economics work in general. The voters want to have a simple, quick-fix for the current problem like immigration, current-government-suck, NHS needs more funding, and do not see how their decision will affect their lives and the general economics tomorrow. And the voters may really genuinely think that they have all the information needed to make the right decision.
<PART 1 of Nigel Farage post-Brexit EU Parliament Speech> video.
If you think the decision process involved in the Brexit-vote (whether vote for "Leave" or "Remain") for each and every voter, and compare it to the forum posts regarding designing a simple power supply "I need to build an adjustable lab power supply" or designing a simple active load "I want to build a simple active load using a MOSFET and op amp" there are quite a lot of similarities. People want quick and fast solutions without having to think too much.
You may say that the task of designing a simple power supply or active load seems pretty simple. But in reality it is actually pretty difficult and you need to have rather good knowledge about the electronics in order to get that right, not ending with a oscillating design or a design with the magic smoke coming out. The task will be very difficult when you need to have it right at first try, no second design allowed, similar to the Brexit-vote.
Typically the designs are based on the simplified application notes or the designs found floating in the Internet which are missing the needed circuit elements to make the design stable and robust. Butt the designer doesn't really really have the knowledge and understanding that is needed in order to make a judgment what is a good design. Actually the designer with limited knowledge and experience typically have a genuine feeling that they do know how to design it properly, and only at later stage find out that the are lacking the needed knowledge.
Similar thing with this Brexit-vote: Very few voters really understand the big picture, how the things are interrelated, how the decision is really going to affect the voter, his/her family, and how the complex society and economics work in general. The voters want to have a simple, quick-fix for the current problem like immigration, current-government-suck, NHS needs more funding, and do not see how their decision will affect their lives and the general economics tomorrow. And the voters may really genuinely think that they have all the information needed to make the right decision.
Some days I'm ashamed to be British, any space in 'stralia?
Some days I'm ashamed to be British, any space in 'stralia?
Apply !!
I believe they will let you in if they think you will be useful to OZ.
Seems like a good way to do it.
UNLIKE the EU !!
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I didn't say the EU doesn't have its faults, it does, it has many, but the nasty racist undercurrents are becoming mainstream and after campaigns from both camps based on lies, I am not sure I want to bring up my children here any more.
<PART 1 of Nigel Farage post-Brexit EU Parliament Speech> video.
Number 20 tries to leave the village. Will he make it?
Some days I'm ashamed to be British, any space in 'stralia?
Apply !!
I believe they will let you in if they think you will be useful to OZ.
Seems like a good way to do it.
UNLIKE the EU !!
[/quote
I didn't say the EU doesn't have its faults, it does, it has many, but the nasty racist undercurrents are becoming mainstream and after campaigns from both camps based on lies, I am not sure I want to bring up my children here any more.+1.
I'd like to come too But the last time I investigated I was already 10 years over the age limit
Some days I'm ashamed to be British, any space in 'stralia?
Apply !!
I believe they will let you in if they think you will be useful to OZ.
Seems like a good way to do it.
UNLIKE the EU !!
[/quote
I didn't say the EU doesn't have its faults, it does, it has many, but the nasty racist undercurrents are becoming mainstream and after campaigns from both camps based on lies, I am not sure I want to bring up my children here any more.+1.
I'd like to come too But the last time I investigated I was already 10 years over the age limit
Not far away from it myself. Canada also seems an option.
https://youtu.be/woaS1b_seEM
the man is a fraud
Explain why.
the man is a fraud
Explain why.
he has lied and holds a post in the eu he does not even fullfill. his speach was intentionally divisive and he has been caught out no end telling lies and making statistics up. He must be the despair of his own advisers and party office who have had to admit they don't know where he got certain figures from and that was before the EU campaign.
the man is a fraud
Explain why.
he has lied and holds a post in the eu he does not even fullfill. his speach was intentionally divisive and he has been caught out no end telling lies and making statistics up. He must be the despair of his own advisers and party office who have had to admit they don't know where he got certain figures from and that was before the EU campaign.
Perhaps he got some of them from the official leave campaign,which he wasn't a member of.
Anyway, forget Farage WE are LEAVING the EU.
Let's see how devisive the EU are now that we're leaving.
the man is a fraud
Explain why.
he has lied and holds a post in the eu he does not even fullfill. his speach was intentionally divisive and he has been caught out no end telling lies and making statistics up. He must be the despair of his own advisers and party office who have had to admit they don't know where he got certain figures from and that was before the EU campaign.
Perhaps he got some of them from the official leave campaign,which he wasn't a member of.
Anyway, forget Farage WE are LEAVING the EU.
Let's see how devisive the EU are now that we're leaving.
Your first line indicates you did not hear what I said, I'm talking about over a year ago. I think it was during the scottish referendum.
I've just about had this thread.
People don't want to hear the truth.
Would you vote for someone who said you'll be worse off for 10 years.
Would you vote for someone who told you NOT to accrue lots of credit card debt.
etc etc.
Farage is no worse than than the rest of them.
He was at least clear and consistent on his views of the EU.
He will also be proven right on the EU's future unless they change their ways.
Do some research into the history of the EU.You might find it interesting.
I've just about had this thread.
People don't want to hear the truth.
Would you vote for someone who said you'll be worse off for 10 years.
Would you vote for someone who told you NOT to accrue lots of credit card debt.
etc etc.
Farage is no worse than than the rest of them.
He was at least clear and consistent on his views of the EU.
He will also be proven right on the EU's future unless they change their ways.
Do some research into the history of the EU.You might find it interesting.
Maybe consistent on his views of the EU but the man twists and turns in the wind whenever he's asked to substantiate a claim, he's been caught lying, on camera, many times and has denied statements that he was shown making on national television.
You may find it instructive to take a look on archive.org to see the lies fall away from the leave campaign's website as they were knocked down one by one, similarly from the UKIP website.
I'm sure a google search for Farage lies would be similarly instructive.
I agree, human nature is a terrible thing and yes, it's difficult for most humans to see beyond the end of their nose. Farage especially as the smoke from his pants and the fact that his nose is now probably two continents further away than it was three months ago...
the man is a fraud
Explain why.
he has lied and holds a post in the eu he does not even fullfill. his speach was intentionally divisive and he has been caught out no end telling lies and making statistics up. He must be the despair of his own advisers and party office who have had to admit they don't know where he got certain figures from and that was before the EU campaign.
Perhaps he got some of them from the official leave campaign,which he wasn't a member of.
Anyway, forget Farage WE are LEAVING the EU.
Let's see how devisive the EU are now that we're leaving.
Your first line indicates you did not hear what I said, I'm talking about over a year ago. I think it was during the scottish referendum.To be honest,like I said earlier I've had it with this whole thread.
I'm Scottish so I know all about fear campaigns and lies.
I voted for the SNP
Scotland voted to remain.
The SNP want to stay in the EU.
I like Europe I voted to join the EU.
I worked closely with Germans for years.
I've spent a lot of time in Germany and have lived and worked all over Europe and the rest of world.
I can't be arsed fully explaining my views on the EU
I believe the EU is unfit for the world we live in now.
The whole reason for it's inception relates to Nazi Germany and mainland Europe.
If they had half a brain they would have given Cameron more when he went to see them. Then perhaps the UK wouldn't have voted out.
I'm sure in the long term the UK will have a brighter future OUT of the EU.
I've just about had this thread.
People don't want to hear the truth.
Would you vote for someone who said you'll be worse off for 10 years.
Would you vote for someone who told you NOT to accrue lots of credit card debt.
etc etc.
Farage is no worse than than the rest of them.
He was at least clear and consistent on his views of the EU.
He will also be proven right on the EU's future unless they change their ways.
Do some research into the history of the EU.You might find it interesting.
Maybe consistent on his views of the EU but the man twists and turns in the wind whenever he's asked to substantiate a claim, he's been caught lying, on camera, many times and has denied statements that he was shown making on national television.
You may find it instructive to take a look on archive.org to see the lies fall away from the leave campaign's website as they were knocked down one by one, similarly from the UKIP website.
I'm sure a google search for Farage lies would be similarly instructive.
I agree, human nature is a terrible thing and yes, it's difficult for most humans to see beyond the end of their nose. Farage especially as the smoke from his pants and the fact that his nose is now probably two continents further away than it was three months ago...
Didn't you want more democracy? So now you don't cry
I've just about had this thread.
People don't want to hear the truth.
Would you vote for someone who said you'll be worse off for 10 years.
Would you vote for someone who told you NOT to accrue lots of credit card debt.
etc etc.
Farage is no worse than than the rest of them.
He was at least clear and consistent on his views of the EU.
He will also be proven right on the EU's future unless they change their ways.
Do some research into the history of the EU.You might find it interesting.
Maybe consistent on his views of the EU but the man twists and turns in the wind whenever he's asked to substantiate a claim, he's been caught lying, on camera, many times and has denied statements that he was shown making on national television.
You may find it instructive to take a look on archive.org to see the lies fall away from the leave campaign's website as they were knocked down one by one, similarly from the UKIP website.
I'm sure a google search for Farage lies would be similarly instructive.
I agree, human nature is a terrible thing and yes, it's difficult for most humans to see beyond the end of their nose. Farage especially as the smoke from his pants and the fact that his nose is now probably two continents further away than it was three months ago...
I've just about had this thread.
People don't want to hear the truth.
Would you vote for someone who said you'll be worse off for 10 years.
Would you vote for someone who told you NOT to accrue lots of credit card debt.
etc etc.
Farage is no worse than than the rest of them.
He was at least clear and consistent on his views of the EU.
He will also be proven right on the EU's future unless they change their ways.
Do some research into the history of the EU.You might find it interesting.
Maybe consistent on his views of the EU but the man twists and turns in the wind whenever he's asked to substantiate a claim, he's been caught lying, on camera, many times and has denied statements that he was shown making on national television.
You may find it instructive to take a look on archive.org to see the lies fall away from the leave campaign's website as they were knocked down one by one, similarly from the UKIP website.
I'm sure a google search for Farage lies would be similarly instructive.
I agree, human nature is a terrible thing and yes, it's difficult for most humans to see beyond the end of their nose. Farage especially as the smoke from his pants and the fact that his nose is now probably two continents further away than it was three months ago...
OMG a politician telling 'lies' to try and gain or remain in office and exercise influence with voters. Hope it never happens here in the States.
I see no reason any politician needs to be smarter or more honest then the average voter.
If we don't like out Gov we can get rid of them.
That cannot be done within the EU.
Let's not forget that Cameron tried to voice his concerns and got very little.
I'm sure there will be stormy waters ahead but we'll manage.
Will you now allow the Scottish to leave the UK? How about Gibraltar, Northern Ireland or Wales? Can the Scottish people get rid of the Gov in Westminster? How about brits under the age of 50? and so on...