QuoteNothing wrong with remaining 'loyal' to a trusted brand, but ignorance of the market is nothing to be proud of.
Some might say that spending time and effort to constantly re-evaluate the market to find the current best value meter is nothing to be proud of either. Just keep buying what works and spend your efforts on more important things.
QuoteNothing wrong with remaining 'loyal' to a trusted brand, but ignorance of the market is nothing to be proud of.
Some might say that spending time and effort to constantly re-evaluate the market to find the current best value meter is nothing to be proud of either. Just keep buying what works and spend your efforts on more important things.
One of the best arguments so far.
An increased range of options does not necessarily lead to higher satisfaction with the outcome of a decision. If anything, choice may in fact impede our ability to enjoy and appreciate what we have.
Constantly searching for the market's best option, even if you already have a decent tool, means you are a maximizer. Maximizers are prone to experiencing a sense of 'buyer's remorse' following a decision, doubting whether it was correct, and envisaging how life would have been had they made a different choice. Whether it's multimeters or the purchase of a chocolate bar, maximizers are prone to the fear that a better choice was, or is, available.
I don't know. Recently I do a bit a research on DMM and if I don't buy a Fluke (as they may be resting on their laurels) I would consider Hioki, Yokogawa, Gossen and even Keysight before Brymen.
I don't know. Recently I do a bit a research on DMM and if I don't buy a Fluke (as they may be resting on their laurels) I would consider Hioki, Yokogawa, Gossen and even Keysight before Brymen.
All very expensive brands, even more expensive than Fluke!
What do they do that Brymens (or Flukes) don't?
Track record. Apart from Keysight, these brands are tens of years ahead of Brymen.
Just by looking at them I don't like the Brymen.
What do they do that Brymens (or Flukes) don't?Track record. Apart from Keysight, these brands are tens of years ahead of Brymen.
Tried the bulky 289 at my job, damn this thing is huge on a desk, not impressed if you don't do logging, i always get the impression to start a computer.
no need to completly dismantle the dmm to change the fuses.
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Simply love the Fuses access for the 189.
Now i think Fluke is overdue and over hypped, they "sits on their lauriers" (french term). Tons of low end models for nothing.
Track record. Apart from Keysight, these brands are tens of years ahead of Brymen.
What do they do that Brymens (or Flukes) don't?Track record. Apart from Keysight, these brands are tens of years ahead of Brymen.They may have made multimeters for more years, that do not mean their meters are inherent better. Brymen meters have their strong sides, the other brands have theirs.
Track record. Apart from Keysight, these brands are tens of years ahead of Brymen.
Engineers come and go at these companies, and sometimes a lot of the smart ideas leave with the engineer.
Managers also come and go, and set different goals (perhaps financially rather than engineering oriented).
So - is a name really worth anything? Evaluate the product, don't just rely on the name.
Engineers come and go at these companies, and sometimes a lot of the smart ideas leave with the engineer.
Managers also come and go, and set different goals (perhaps financially rather than engineering oriented).
So - is a name really worth anything? Evaluate the product, don't just rely on the name.I agree with the two top statements, but the last one was debated many times around here. Features and specifications are one of the parameters to choose an equipment - other things usually come into play such as service, warranty, contracts, etc.
Good point. I should have said "Evaluate the complete package you are getting". But one thing to be wary of is promises. Buying stuff with promised improvements in later firmware releases, stuff with a lifetime guarantee (= until the company shuts up shop), and so on can end up badly too. Even here the company's track record can mislead, under new management.
Fluke has changed hands a couple of times, most recently in 2016.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluke_Corporation#History
It's logical that management will have had changes during those transitions.
Has anybody seen any changes to their 87Vs after 2016?
I am not sure if you remember but there is a very long thread here where people talked about the minute changes in quality control of 87Vs. This is a thread that people hate when I bring it up due to the catfights in it (now, where was that link again?)
(edit) Found it!
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-87v-(2017)-lacking-quality-control/
Some might say that spending time and effort to constantly re-evaluate the market to find the current best value meter is nothing to be proud of either.
If I wanted a meter to take on the road, to unknown parts, that I wanted to be able to get repaired for free when it inevitably succumbed to the damage it got every day, I would get one with a lifetime warranty because that would have value.
(edit) Found it!
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-87v-(2017)-lacking-quality-control/
That wasn't it. That's only a single page and is mostly about a single defective meter.
Well personally, as someone who doesn't abuse their DMM, who will only use it on the bench (which is over a carpet on floorboards), and doesn't want to spend hundreds of pounds more to get essentially the same meter with a different brand on the front, I went with a Brymen 867s.
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It's not so all or nothing/black and white as 'never evaluate' vs 'constantly evaluate', IMO the sensible option is to evaluate when you need to. Also, as I say above, the best choice for work is not necessarily the best choice for a lab or at home. They have different criteria.
Correct! The Fluke lifetime warranty covers a lot less than I thought. So it's not the reason why I would buy a Fluke.
The link points to a 9 page thread..
There may be enough cases of a Fluke rep giving somebody a replacement meter (or cheap TL75 leads) to have created that myth but there's no way they could do it in real life. They'd make exponentially less money as time went by.
There may be enough cases of a Fluke rep giving somebody a replacement meter (or cheap TL75 leads) to have created that myth but there's no way they could do it in real life. They'd make exponentially less money as time went by.
So my experience with Fluke is both good and bad. Still I think I would buy a Fluke instead of a Brymen.