Let the UK become the 51st state!
For the EU to say the UK needs to leave immediately is foolish.
And to be honest: it would not surprise me if the UK is not going to leave the EU after all! The people have voted to leave so turn in the papers to the EU the next day. Why the wait?
Can this thread calm down before I lock it! sounds like the referendum campaign all over again - Bollocks
As I understand it, until Article 50 is activated, the UK is not under any legal obligation to exit the EU. From the BREXIT vote, however, the government is under a political obligation to do so.
These are two very different obligations with very different repercussions if they are are not followed through.
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I'm open to any thoughts where the current political obligation could get washed away before commitment to the legal obligation.
There was a referendum and the results are in. To now say, no, we're not going to do it is to say that the election was a fraud, that the opinions of the voters are irrelevant and government knows best.
Were that the case, why vote at all? Let government pick the leaders and everybody else can follow along. It would save so much time if there were no elections. Government knows best...
More important is that the underlying cause of the disenchantment with the EU won't go away. There will still be open borders, policy will still be dictated in Brussels and the continent still won't care much about the UK because the UK didn't adopt the Euro. Nothing changes...
The government can either follow through or admit that the UK really isn't a democracy where majority rule matters.
That it might take a couple of months to get the ducks in a row before filing paperwork isn't an unreasonable delay. What difference does it make how long it takes to file, the status quo exists until the UK is formally out of the EU and that is at least 24 months after a 2 month or so delay. Not a big deal!
This thread is becoming more and more cartoonish.
The German word for it is "Galgenhumor", gallows humour (?) don't know if that is making any sense in English
The stability of the political parties is such at the moment that new elections will add to the complexity, I think.
The stability of the political parties is such at the moment that new elections will add to the complexity, I think.So basically the people get to vote again for exit and leave but this time through new elections? I wonder how that works for all the other important economic issues at hand. Did the UK twist it's own arm behind it's back?
The stability of the political parties is such at the moment that new elections will add to the complexity, I think.So basically the people get to vote again for exit and leave but this time through new elections? I wonder how that works for all the other important economic issues at hand. Did the UK twist it's own arm behind it's back?
If it goes as far as becoming a general election (called early), then in theory (N.B. I'm NO expert in politics and could be wrong) one of the parties (e.g. the main opposition, usually Labour) could offer a second referendum or something. To avoid losing votes, most/all parties could then be forced to do likewise, to avoid losing votes, since about 48% of voters are probably upset by the result.
But I'm speculating, since I'm no expert on politics, and this situation (Brexit), is a fairly new concept, so there is not much past history of similar things here (UK), to go by.
I see BoJo is not standing - perhaps he decided it was too much of a poisoned chalice after all.
Theresa May might be the best candidate to win cross party support. I'm not keen on her record as Home Sec in terms of snooping regulation but she would be in a better position to try to negotiate with the EU. As she fought (some argue luke-warmly) for the Remain campaign but is known to be fairly Euroskeptic she should appeal to both sides of the argument and, most importantly, could negotiate some form of free movement without reneging on any personal promises.
I see BoJo is not standing - perhaps he decided it was too much of a poisoned chalice after all.
Theresa May might be the best candidate to win cross party support. I'm not keen on her record as Home Sec in terms of snooping regulation but she would be in a better position to try to negotiate with the EU. As she fought (some argue luke-warmly) for the Remain campaign but is known to be fairly Euroskeptic she should appeal to both sides of the argument and, most importantly, could negotiate some form of free movement without reneging on any personal promises.
Better than "I'm not fit to be prime minister' Gove but ugh!
I see BoJo is not standing
We are trying to leave the EU, because they have LOST the vote. They are now acting as if we have declared WAR against the EU (organisation and its countries), rather than just a simple VOTE, which they have lost.
Instead of blaming THEMSELVES and deciding how to improve and solve the issues which the voting public DON'T like.
Superficially it sounds as though it could work. The big danger is that in appeasing the remain voters the established parties may induce the outraged leave voters to defect to the fascists. This would be UKIP in the first instance, but they are merely a front for the more organised fascists.