I think other EU countries are also disappointed in the EU, for various reasons.
The USSR is a poor example since the other countries were conquered rather joined willingly.That's true. I can't think of another comparatively recent example. There are unlikely to be any Tanks in the streets during the breakup of the EU. It is only tangentially related to my main point that once a certain level of momentum is built up the subsequent events follow naturally. The fear of the unknown is diminished.
On the other hand, the USSR exit countries, have not necessarily done brilliantly. Depending on your viewpoint.
Yes they are relatively free, democratic and potentially capitalistic. But it is taking a very long time, for them to grow back into, "normal" countries.
E.g. The standard of life in Ukraine is not really as good as it would be in a middle of the road, EU country. From what I have heard. But if the population are happy, and enjoying things, with local produce available at affordable prices, then things are not that bad (depending on ones definition of "good").
My father, who was Latvian, only cared about getting the Russians out.
The economics of the EU, or the Eurozone in particular, are an unmitigated disaster. Brexit or no Brexit the there was always going to be a day of reckoning. You cannot have that much incestuous debt and expect anything else. Countries with completely different economies were politically shoehorned together unwisely. I can only imagine a generation of young people without a job or real hope of gaining steady employment will eventually have their voice heard.
I think some people who wanted to leave the EU, felt the same way as getting the Russians out. Although I fully accept that the "Russians" situation, was especially bad, and a completely different kettle of fish.
E.g. Not being able to easily leave the country, KGB, terrible hardships, etc etc.
I think other EU countries are also disappointed in the EU, for various reasons.People: definitely. Parliaments/governments: probably not so much.
My country also has a number of opt-outs, rather like the UK but not quite the same. The electorate has rejected opting out of some some of our opt-outs in a couple of referendums (the last time was in December). Yet, there is nothing that indicates that a majority could be found in the electorate for leaving. In the parliament it for sure isn't possible at the moment. A big difference to the UK is the press. The UK press seems to have been purveyors of a quite lopsided view of the EU for many many years. Something that can't have made it more difficult for the powers that be to blame all sorts of things on Brussels. If anything, it's more the other way around here.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/revealed-how-the-west-set-saddam-on-the-bloody-road-to-power-1258618.html
That was at the height of the cold war. What your article fails to mention is that the current leader was propped up by the Soviet Union. Karim was also no angel and was also communist. Even then he was making expansionist claims for Kuwait and other ME pieces of dirt. He started out fine then things rapidly detiorated as they always do there.
So at the time I’m willing to bet even your country was supportive of the CIAs mission to depose a communist ruler in the region propped up by the Soviets.Given who the PM in Apis's country was at the time (Olof Palme), this is doubtful in the extreme
I think other EU countries are also disappointed in the EU, for various reasons.People: definitely. Parliaments/governments: probably not so much.
My country also has a number of opt-outs, rather like the UK but not quite the same. The electorate has rejected opting out of some some of our opt-outs in a couple of referendums (the last time was in December). Yet, there is nothing that indicates that a majority could be found in the electorate for leaving. In the parliament it for sure isn't possible at the moment. A big difference to the UK is the press. The UK press seems to have been purveyors of a quite lopsided view of the EU for many many years. Something that can't have made it more difficult for the powers that be to blame all sorts of things on Brussels. If anything, it's more the other way around here.
I'm very annoyed that some European countries are rumored to be hiding the TRUTH, via control of the press (newspapers), TV and maybe other sources of "news" information.
E.g. Sweden. (I'm looking at you). Probably/maybe Germany as well, and others I guess.
It is rumored in some youtube video(s), that a particular city there, has been very badly ruined by immigration, turned into a terrible crime ridden ghetto, and there are terrible sex related crimes there.
It is CRAZY that in this day and age, modern western EU countries such as Sweden, are blocking information like that, which is much more like the former USSR, China, and even North Korea.
Given that we in the EU (West) are suppose to have free/open voting. Messing about with the "REAL" information/news like that, by hiding it, etc. Is potentially causing them to vote in a different way, to the way they would vote, if they had the correct information.
Anyway I hope that your own country exiting or not the EU, turns out for the best, for everyone.
I suspect (as others have said in this thread), we (UK) are probably starting a trend (domino effect), which may see the break up of the EU.
Given who the PM in Apis's country was at the time (Olof Palme), this is doubtful in the extremeI believe Tage Erlander was PM at the time actually. Jens Otto Krag was PM in Denmark.
I think other EU countries are also disappointed in the EU, for various reasons.People: definitely. Parliaments/governments: probably not so much.
My country also has a number of opt-outs, rather like the UK but not quite the same. The electorate has rejected opting out of some some of our opt-outs in a couple of referendums (the last time was in December). Yet, there is nothing that indicates that a majority could be found in the electorate for leaving. In the parliament it for sure isn't possible at the moment. A big difference to the UK is the press. The UK press seems to have been purveyors of a quite lopsided view of the EU for many many years. Something that can't have made it more difficult for the powers that be to blame all sorts of things on Brussels. If anything, it's more the other way around here.
I'm very annoyed that some European countries are rumored to be hiding the TRUTH, via control of the press (newspapers), TV and maybe other sources of "news" information.
E.g. Sweden. (I'm looking at you). Probably/maybe Germany as well, and others I guess.
It is rumored in some youtube video(s), that a particular city there, has been very badly ruined by immigration, turned into a terrible crime ridden ghetto, and there are terrible sex related crimes there.
It is CRAZY that in this day and age, modern western EU countries such as Sweden, are blocking information like that, which is much more like the former USSR, China, and even North Korea.
Given that we in the EU (West) are suppose to have free/open voting. Messing about with the "REAL" information/news like that, by hiding it, etc. Is potentially causing them to vote in a different way, to the way they would vote, if they had the correct information.
Anyway I hope that your own country exiting or not the EU, turns out for the best, for everyone.
I suspect (as others have said in this thread), we (UK) are probably starting a trend (domino effect), which may see the break up of the EU.
Can I suggest that when you SHOUT it is more effective if you use GREEN INK.
Can I suggest that when you SHOUT it is more effective if you use GREEN INK.
I'm very annoyed that some European countries are rumored to be hiding the TRUTH, via control of the press (newspapers), TV and maybe other sources of "news" information.
It's similar here. Our president for example keeps denying the link between Islam and the current wave of global terrorism, and when the French president once mentioned Islamic terrorists, it was censored on the White House's web site.
I think other EU countries are also disappointed in the EU, for various reasons.People: definitely. Parliaments/governments: probably not so much.
My country also has a number of opt-outs, rather like the UK but not quite the same. The electorate has rejected opting out of some some of our opt-outs in a couple of referendums (the last time was in December). Yet, there is nothing that indicates that a majority could be found in the electorate for leaving. In the parliament it for sure isn't possible at the moment. A big difference to the UK is the press. The UK press seems to have been purveyors of a quite lopsided view of the EU for many many years. Something that can't have made it more difficult for the powers that be to blame all sorts of things on Brussels. If anything, it's more the other way around here.
I'm very annoyed that some European countries are rumored to be hiding the TRUTH, via control of the press (newspapers), TV and maybe other sources of "news" information.
E.g. Sweden. (I'm looking at you). Probably/maybe Germany as well, and others I guess.
It is rumored in some youtube video(s), that a particular city there, has been very badly ruined by immigration, turned into a terrible crime ridden ghetto, and there are terrible sex related crimes there.
It is CRAZY that in this day and age, modern western EU countries such as Sweden, are blocking information like that, which is much more like the former USSR, China, and even North Korea.
Given that we in the EU (West) are suppose to have free/open voting. Messing about with the "REAL" information/news like that, by hiding it, etc. Is potentially causing them to vote in a different way, to the way they would vote, if they had the correct information.
Anyway I hope that your own country exiting or not the EU, turns out for the best, for everyone.
I suspect (as others have said in this thread), we (UK) are probably starting a trend (domino effect), which may see the break up of the EU.
Google for Husby, Tensta and Rinkeby. Warning this might be bad for your blood pressure.
I'm very annoyed that some European countries are rumored to be hiding the TRUTH, via control of the press (newspapers), TV and maybe other sources of "news" information.
It's similar here. Our president for example keeps denying the link between Islam and the current wave of global terrorism, and when the French president once mentioned Islamic terrorists, it was censored on the White House's web site.
I happen to live near that city (Malmö) and know people who live there and the above description is not true at all. There are many refugees that have settled there, from former Yugoslavia and now the middle east. Sweden have had the same problem internally as EU has: the refugees choose freely where they want to live when they come here. All the refugees prefer to live as far south as possible so most of them have ended up in the most southern big city. The rich parts of the country do whatever they can to prevent refugees to come to their municipalities. But crime rates are not higher in Malmö than other cities, sex related or otherwise. It's only xenophobes and racists that would say the city is ruined because they want a racially/ethnically pure country.
"What has happened to "freedom of speech" in the west ?"
Alive and well, as long as your speech is approved by those in charge of freedom of speech.
"What has happened to "freedom of speech" in the west ?"
Alive and well, as long as your speech is approved by those in charge of freedom of speech.
That's a good one!
Give a man a fish, and he is fed for a day. But teach him how to fish, and he will never be hungry for the rest of his life.
Give a man a fish, and he is fed for a day. But teach him how to fish, and he will never be hungry for the rest of his life.
Nahh - not in the EU - they will take his fishing quota and split it between countries with no access to the sea.
You couldn't make it up.
When our new foreign secretary sits down to negotiate with the rest of the world, everybody else in the room is going to be thinking of the image that sums up modern UK...