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Test Equipment / Re: Siglent SDS800X HD Review & Demonstration Thread
« Last post by markone on Today at 08:52:55 pm »
Interesting we see some signal "artifacts" on the Rigol #0 but not on the Siglent #52. Signal is from AWG (SDG2042X) at 2mvpp @ 50 ohms (-50dBm). Both have Flattop Windows, Signal has 4 average (not available on Rigol). BTW these artifacts originate within the Rigol and not from the AWG.

-snip

For what is worth, my DHO1000, same signal :





Here below what my SSA read :




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Beginners / Re: How Current Limitation is happening in the circuit???
« Last post by MrAl on Today at 08:44:27 pm »
Here are some charts that illustrate the effect of the capacitor value and the total input impedance Rs.



All of these are with an input sine wave peak of 30 volts and two diode drops 1.15 volts each,
frequency was 50Hz, Rload=3 Ohms.

Units: Volts, Ohms, Farads.


C=0.001000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=19.00  Vmin= 6.60  Vpp=12.398
Rs=0.10  Vmax=18.38  Vmin= 6.60  Vpp=11.782
Rs=0.20  Vmax=17.78  Vmin= 6.58  Vpp=11.200
Rs=0.30  Vmax=17.21  Vmin= 6.56  Vpp=10.651
Rs=0.40  Vmax=16.66  Vmin= 6.53  Vpp=10.134
Rs=0.50  Vmax=16.14  Vmin= 6.49  Vpp= 9.648
Rs=0.60  Vmax=15.64  Vmin= 6.45  Vpp= 9.191
Rs=0.70  Vmax=15.17  Vmin= 6.40  Vpp= 8.762
Rs=0.80  Vmax=14.71  Vmin= 6.35  Vpp= 8.358
Rs=0.90  Vmax=14.28  Vmin= 6.30  Vpp= 7.979
Rs=1.00  Vmax=13.87  Vmin= 6.25  Vpp= 7.623

C=0.005000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=27.10  Vmin=17.55  Vpp= 9.550
Rs=0.10  Vmax=25.92  Vmin=17.37  Vpp= 8.560
Rs=0.20  Vmax=24.37  Vmin=16.88  Vpp= 7.489
Rs=0.30  Vmax=22.64  Vmin=16.19  Vpp= 6.454
Rs=0.40  Vmax=20.91  Vmin=15.39  Vpp= 5.521
Rs=0.50  Vmax=19.27  Vmin=14.55  Vpp= 4.714
Rs=0.60  Vmax=17.76  Vmin=13.72  Vpp= 4.034
Rs=0.70  Vmax=16.40  Vmin=12.93  Vpp= 3.467
Rs=0.80  Vmax=15.19  Vmin=12.19  Vpp= 2.997
Rs=0.90  Vmax=14.11  Vmin=11.50  Vpp= 2.607
Rs=1.00  Vmax=13.15  Vmin=10.87  Vpp= 2.282

C=0.010000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=27.55  Vmin=21.46  Vpp= 6.082
Rs=0.10  Vmax=25.50  Vmin=20.61  Vpp= 4.896
Rs=0.20  Vmax=22.25  Vmin=18.64  Vpp= 3.614
Rs=0.30  Vmax=19.02  Vmin=16.41  Vpp= 2.609
Rs=0.40  Vmax=16.28  Vmin=14.37  Vpp= 1.906
Rs=0.50  Vmax=14.08  Vmin=12.65  Vpp= 1.427
Rs=0.60  Vmax=12.33  Vmin=11.23  Vpp= 1.097
Rs=0.70  Vmax=10.92  Vmin=10.06  Vpp= 0.865
Rs=0.80  Vmax= 9.79  Vmin= 9.09  Vpp= 0.696
Rs=0.90  Vmax= 8.85  Vmin= 8.28  Vpp= 0.571
Rs=1.00  Vmax= 8.07  Vmin= 7.59  Vpp= 0.476

C=0.015000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=27.63  Vmin=23.17  Vpp= 4.464
Rs=0.10  Vmax=24.33  Vmin=21.20  Vpp= 3.126
Rs=0.20  Vmax=19.41  Vmin=17.51  Vpp= 1.906
Rs=0.30  Vmax=15.43  Vmin=14.24  Vpp= 1.186
Rs=0.40  Vmax=12.56  Vmin=11.78  Vpp= 0.783
Rs=0.50  Vmax=10.51  Vmin= 9.96  Vpp= 0.548
Rs=0.60  Vmax= 9.00  Vmin= 8.59  Vpp= 0.402
Rs=0.70  Vmax= 7.85  Vmin= 7.54  Vpp= 0.306
Rs=0.80  Vmax= 6.95  Vmin= 6.71  Vpp= 0.241
Rs=0.90  Vmax= 6.23  Vmin= 6.04  Vpp= 0.194
Rs=1.00  Vmax= 5.64  Vmin= 5.48  Vpp= 0.159

C=0.020000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=27.66  Vmin=24.13  Vpp= 3.532
Rs=0.10  Vmax=22.87  Vmin=20.77  Vpp= 2.104
Rs=0.20  Vmax=16.78  Vmin=15.70  Vpp= 1.080
Rs=0.30  Vmax=12.67  Vmin=12.07  Vpp= 0.608
Rs=0.40  Vmax=10.03  Vmin= 9.65  Vpp= 0.379
Rs=0.50  Vmax= 8.25  Vmin= 8.00  Vpp= 0.257
Rs=0.60  Vmax= 6.99  Vmin= 6.81  Vpp= 0.184
Rs=0.70  Vmax= 6.06  Vmin= 5.92  Vpp= 0.138
Rs=0.80  Vmax= 5.34  Vmin= 5.23  Vpp= 0.108
Rs=0.90  Vmax= 4.77  Vmin= 4.68  Vpp= 0.086
Rs=1.00  Vmax= 4.31  Vmin= 4.24  Vpp= 0.070

C=0.025000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=27.68  Vmin=24.75  Vpp= 2.926
Rs=0.10  Vmax=21.32  Vmin=19.86  Vpp= 1.465
Rs=0.20  Vmax=14.58  Vmin=13.92  Vpp= 0.653
Rs=0.30  Vmax=10.64  Vmin=10.30  Vpp= 0.345
Rs=0.40  Vmax= 8.29  Vmin= 8.08  Vpp= 0.208
Rs=0.50  Vmax= 6.76  Vmin= 6.62  Vpp= 0.138
Rs=0.60  Vmax= 5.69  Vmin= 5.59  Vpp= 0.098
Rs=0.70  Vmax= 4.91  Vmin= 4.84  Vpp= 0.073
Rs=0.80  Vmax= 4.32  Vmin= 4.26  Vpp= 0.057
Rs=0.90  Vmax= 3.85  Vmin= 3.81  Vpp= 0.045
Rs=1.00  Vmax= 3.47  Vmin= 3.44  Vpp= 0.037

C=0.030000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=27.68  Vmin=25.18  Vpp= 2.500
Rs=0.10  Vmax=19.79  Vmin=18.74  Vpp= 1.049
Rs=0.20  Vmax=12.78  Vmin=12.36  Vpp= 0.419
Rs=0.30  Vmax= 9.12  Vmin= 8.91  Vpp= 0.212
Rs=0.40  Vmax= 7.03  Vmin= 6.91  Vpp= 0.125
Rs=0.50  Vmax= 5.70  Vmin= 5.62  Vpp= 0.082
Rs=0.60  Vmax= 4.79  Vmin= 4.73  Vpp= 0.058
Rs=0.70  Vmax= 4.12  Vmin= 4.08  Vpp= 0.043
Rs=0.80  Vmax= 3.62  Vmin= 3.59  Vpp= 0.033
Rs=0.90  Vmax= 3.23  Vmin= 3.20  Vpp= 0.026
Rs=1.00  Vmax= 2.91  Vmin= 2.89  Vpp= 0.021

C=0.050000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=27.69  Vmin=26.11  Vpp= 1.586
Rs=0.10  Vmax=14.73  Vmin=14.39  Vpp= 0.342
Rs=0.20  Vmax= 8.35  Vmin= 8.24  Vpp= 0.107
Rs=0.30  Vmax= 5.72  Vmin= 5.67  Vpp= 0.050
Rs=0.40  Vmax= 4.34  Vmin= 4.31  Vpp= 0.029
Rs=0.50  Vmax= 3.49  Vmin= 3.47  Vpp= 0.019
Rs=0.60  Vmax= 2.91  Vmin= 2.90  Vpp= 0.013
Rs=0.70  Vmax= 2.50  Vmin= 2.49  Vpp= 0.010
Rs=0.80  Vmax= 2.19  Vmin= 2.19  Vpp= 0.007
Rs=0.90  Vmax= 1.95  Vmin= 1.94  Vpp= 0.006
Rs=1.00  Vmax= 1.76  Vmin= 1.75  Vpp= 0.005

C=0.075000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=27.70  Vmin=26.60  Vpp= 1.093
Rs=0.10  Vmax=10.77  Vmin=10.65  Vpp= 0.120
Rs=0.20  Vmax= 5.73  Vmin= 5.70  Vpp= 0.034
Rs=0.30  Vmax= 3.87  Vmin= 3.86  Vpp= 0.015
Rs=0.40  Vmax= 2.92  Vmin= 2.91  Vpp= 0.009
Rs=0.50  Vmax= 2.34  Vmin= 2.33  Vpp= 0.006
Rs=0.60  Vmax= 1.95  Vmin= 1.95  Vpp= 0.004
Rs=0.70  Vmax= 1.67  Vmin= 1.67  Vpp= 0.003
Rs=0.80  Vmax= 1.47  Vmin= 1.46  Vpp= 0.002
Rs=0.90  Vmax= 1.30  Vmin= 1.30  Vpp= 0.002
Rs=1.00  Vmax= 1.17  Vmin= 1.17  Vpp= 0.001

C=0.100000
Rs=0.00  Vmax=27.70  Vmin=26.86  Vpp= 0.835
Rs=0.10  Vmax= 8.38  Vmin= 8.32  Vpp= 0.054
Rs=0.20  Vmax= 4.35  Vmin= 4.33  Vpp= 0.014
Rs=0.30  Vmax= 2.92  Vmin= 2.91  Vpp= 0.007
Rs=0.40  Vmax= 2.20  Vmin= 2.19  Vpp= 0.004
Rs=0.50  Vmax= 1.76  Vmin= 1.76  Vpp= 0.002
Rs=0.60  Vmax= 1.47  Vmin= 1.46  Vpp= 0.002
Rs=0.70  Vmax= 1.26  Vmin= 1.26  Vpp= 0.001
Rs=0.80  Vmax= 1.10  Vmin= 1.10  Vpp= 0.001
Rs=0.90  Vmax= 0.98  Vmin= 0.98  Vpp= 0.001
Rs=1.00  Vmax= 0.88  Vmin= 0.88  Vpp= 0.001





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Test Equipment / Re: Siglent SDS800X HD Review & Demonstration Thread
« Last post by 2N3055 on Today at 08:41:15 pm »
1MHz -125dBm 1kHz 99.9% AM modulation applied. 

You can see the center spur and side lobes but they are lower than the scope's internal noise.   Scope also will not readout this low. Turning off the 3D view does speed up the display but still a few seconds.  Guessing most modern scopes would blow the doors off it.   

My SA can easily measure down this low.  Note the -135dBm peak readout.   I normally keep a 10dB attenuator attached.   Using the right tool for the job can improve the measurements.

I agree this kind of work is absolutely job for the SA. But like you, I was curious where the limits are.
That is the first think you should know about your instruments, what they can't do...
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General Technical Chat / Re: Is there a meaning to colors on a transitor?
« Last post by Benta on Today at 08:41:13 pm »
MPSA06... I remember those.
You have two different things here:
1: the thin horizontal stripes are production codes for lot/year/week whatever. Done by Motorola.
2: the "colour blobs" can be anything, but certainly not OEM.
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J1 pin order is wrong on your post, isn't it? Can you try after removing D1 and D2?
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Have you actually tried selecting all the SPI devices at once to initialize them?  I would be surprised if that works.

Yes, it actually does initialize everything properly.
Thanks
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Test Equipment / Re: New Hantek DSO2X1X models?
« Last post by Aldo22 on Today at 08:31:55 pm »
As you can see on the screenshot. why is my scope not showing the frequency of the second channel ?

But that's only the case for DVM mode, isn't it?
The normal display (at the bottom) via “Type” always works for me.
I don't know exactly why, but in DVM mode a symbol for the second trigger is displayed.
Try moving it, then it also works for me in DVM mode.

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OK, to rule out other issues, is the device on the same bus as those two devices that you're seeing on the scan?
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Beginners / Re: uCurrent Gold Schematic
« Last post by uf29857 on Today at 08:22:55 pm »
I have designed four layer PCB. Top layer and Bottom layer are signal/PWR layers and inner two are gound layers.
I have used one LDO (RT9080) for ESP32 and one for ADS1115 and Current measurement circuitry.  U6 (in PCB) for ADS1115 and analog circuitry and U3 for ESP32.
U4 and U5 are MAX4239. U2 is ADS1115. U1 is CP2102. IC1 is TP4056. Q2, Q3 and Q4 are CSD16340Q3 N MOSFETS.
R21 is four terminal resistor and i want to confirm the connections. I shall be gratefull for the feedback.
Thanks in advance.
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FPGA / Re: Help on translate schematics to Verilog.
« Last post by BrianHG on Today at 08:22:28 pm »
Try shrinking the clk_0 phase by 2-5 ns.  The internal clock will be 8mhz either way.  Going to 10mhz might only affect the automatic 'PLL Bandwidth', changing it from 'low' to 'medium' as 5mhz and 10mhz may be a transition point for the pll's phase comparator and lying to quartus just makes quartus jump up that setting by 1 making the PLL more responsive to a noisy clock source.  You haven't actually changed the PLL's output clock frequency.  EG: make a spare IO pin equal to the PLL clock and check the 2 signals together on your scope, clkin and clkout, you will see they are the same.  (IE, if your source clock has some noise, then the PLL output needs to track that noise for your circuit to run good.)

In your design, you do not have any properly clocked ram.  All you have are 3 static rams.  The way they are written makes some things flaky as you have some posedge and negedge clocks as well surrounding their address controls, however, when copying someone else's hardwired logic or IC process, this may be the quickest route to success.

Using a clk_1 output running at 90 deg out of phase from clk_0 to latch/clock the ram data or address controls can help.  Or making clk_1 run at 4x where you clock the ram's address and controls running at this speed would also help.

Again, this design uses so many different clocks at so many little points that it would be hell to fiddle with it.  If you are re-writing your own code, then you might want to take things your own way.

The design appears to clock it's ram from 'different' multiple input source conditions, including the main clock.  Delaying the main clock with the phase probably allows all the the states of the multiple inputs to settle before any action takes place.  With multiple negedge and posedge triggers in the code, you would need to decide which things gets moved where.

When setting up the PLL did you try -45 deg, or 180+/-45deg to see if you get a larger sweet spot of operation?


Memory is simple in verilog.  However, the way data is being written with multiple write clock sources for 1 ram instead of what we are used to seeing, 1 clock source for the ram's write port, then multiple selectable states for the 'write-enable'.  Same for the read port.  It could be the same system ram clock, or, it's own clock, preferably with a latched read address, then latched data output for best FMAX performance.  Again, this design uses the ram in static read mode, though, at 8mhz, the max10 can do this with ease as having the read address and data latched would allow the max10 to run the ram at a whopping 250mhz.  But when you send a read address, that address data output is pipe delayed by 2 clocks.
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