Tariffs

[Analog Kid]

(ooh - providing your SSN to Chinese companies, so that they can do the prepaid tariff thing.  Sounds great!)

Shit, I wouldn't give my SSN to an American company!

[5U4GB]

Vatican City State has 20% VAT???

Peter's Pence are more like Peter's Pounds at today's rates.

That is, unless you regard the whole thing as just a pile of Papal Bull.

[EEVblog]

Kinda sorta tariff related, I tried to get some magnetic multimeter hanger stock for my store, and it turns out the supplier is in China and not Taiwan, so they are limiting exports of magnetic materials (presumably it use neodymium which is a rare earth), so I can only get stock dregs at the moment. They said this should be right come June.

[tautech]

They need keep plenty to support their local EV production which when we were there last August 50% of the cars we saw in Shenzhen were EV, easily identified by their green number plates whereas every ICE car had a blue plate.

It seemed 1 in 10 was a Telsa too ! 

[themadhippy]

Dont be telling your customers  how much the tarriffs  have added to the price  of your goods,that would be a  hostile and political act.

[TimFox]

Dont be telling your customers  how much the tarriffs  have added to the price  of your goods,that would be a  hostile and political act.

Facts are for losers.

[tggzzz]

Dont be telling your customers  how much the tarriffs  have added to the price  of your goods,that would be a  hostile and political act.

Facts are for losers.

Alternative facts are for winners.

[fzabkar]

Trump admin lashes out as Amazon considers displaying tariff costs on its sites:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2025/04/amazon-denies-it-will-start-listing-cost-of-tariffs-as-other-sites-start-doing-it/

This morning, Punchbowl News reported that Amazon was considering listing the cost of tariffs as a separate line item on its site, citing "a person familiar with the plan." Amazon later acknowledged that there had been internal discussions to that effect but only for its import-focused Amazon Haul sub-store and that the company didn't plan to actually list tariff prices for any items.

"This was never approved and is not going to happen," reads Amazon's two-sentence statement.

Amazon issued such a specific and forceful on-the-record denial in part because it had drawn the ire of the Trump administration. In a press briefing early this morning, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt was asked a question about the report, which the administration responded to as though Amazon had made a formal announcement about the policy.

"This is a hostile and political act by Amazon," Leavitt said, before blaming the Biden administration for high inflation and claiming that Amazon had "partnered with a Chinese propaganda arm."

This sh1t-fight makes me laugh. If Amazon were to tell their customers how much each item attracts in tariffs, they would be indirectly disclosing Amazon's purchase price and their profit margin. Of course it's not going to happen.

[vad]

Trump admin lashes out as Amazon considers displaying tariff costs on its sites:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2025/04/amazon-denies-it-will-start-listing-cost-of-tariffs-as-other-sites-start-doing-it/

This morning, Punchbowl News reported that Amazon was considering listing the cost of tariffs as a separate line item on its site, citing "a person familiar with the plan." Amazon later acknowledged that there had been internal discussions to that effect but only for its import-focused Amazon Haul sub-store and that the company didn't plan to actually list tariff prices for any items.

"This was never approved and is not going to happen," reads Amazon's two-sentence statement.

Amazon issued such a specific and forceful on-the-record denial in part because it had drawn the ire of the Trump administration. In a press briefing early this morning, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt was asked a question about the report, which the administration responded to as though Amazon had made a formal announcement about the policy.

"This is a hostile and political act by Amazon," Leavitt said, before blaming the Biden administration for high inflation and claiming that Amazon had "partnered with a Chinese propaganda arm."

This sh1t-fight makes me laugh. If Amazon were to tell their customers how much each item attracts in tariffs, they would be indirectly disclosing Amazon's purchase price and their profit margin. Of course it's not going to happen.

When I buy components that attract tariffs, DigiKey shows the tariff rate for each component on their invoice. This gives me no clue whatsoever about DigiKey’s profit margin.

[vad]

An anecdotal observation. Today we purchased a Bosch dishwasher to replace one that had recently started leaking. While Bosch dishwashers sold here are assembled in the US, the price of our model at Costco increased by $100 this week. A 9% jump magically correlates with the 10% tariff.

[fzabkar]

When I buy components that attract tariffs, DigiKey shows the tariff rate for each component on their invoice. This gives me no clue whatsoever about DigiKey’s profit margin.

The tariff is a known percentage of an importer's purchase price, assuming you know the country of origin. If you know the tariff and the country of origin, then you know the purchase price. You then subtract the importer's purchase price from their selling price ...

What am I missing?

[twospoons]

What am I missing?

Information.
Sale price = import price+ (import price * tariff%) + profit.
you only know sale price and tariff %, leaving two unknowns.

[fzabkar]

What am I missing?

Information.
Sale price = import price+ (import price * tariff%) + profit.
you only know sale price and tariff %, leaving two unknowns.

AIUI, Amazon was proposing to "list tariff prices". To me, tariff price = import price * tariff%. Ergo, if you know the tariff price and tariff %, then you know the import price.

[tautech]

What am I missing?

Information.
Sale price = import price+ (import price * tariff%) + profit.
you only know sale price and tariff %, leaving two unknowns.

AIUI, Amazon was proposing to "list tariff prices". To me, tariff price = import price * tariff%. Ergo, if you know the tariff price and tariff %, then you know the import price.

Yup exactly and then you can calculate the profit margin. 

[coppercone2]

does anyone know how or if these tariffs affected or will affect the UK street lamp industry (lower cost brands)?

[tszaboo]

This sh1t-fight makes me laugh. If Amazon were to tell their customers how much each item attracts in tariffs, they would be indirectly disclosing Amazon's purchase price and their profit margin. Of course it's not going to happen.

It would be one of those political stunts that is pointless, and only serves the purpose to alienate most of the people.
It's like back in 2017 when every hollywood political show was giving step by step instructions on how to impeach a president. We know exactly why they were doing that, and it's so pointless.

[alex843]

Just catching up with this thread, but didn't read every post.

Did anyone answer the question about Digikey and Mouser, if someone like myself in New Zealand is ordering from Digikey or Mouser, do I end up paying a tariff for someone to ship parts into a warehouse in the US, then export it again?

Same with Amazon, when I purchase from Amazon (US site) they show me how much New Zealand GST I will pay, so will I see the US import tariff or even know if there is one?

Will I even pay a tariff if the items are sourced from outside the United States?

Looking at the stock markets on trading economics, I notice that most of the time, the YTD value of stocks has fallen for traditional US allies like Japan, Australia and New Zealand, while Shanghai does not seem to be heavily affected and Hong Kong is up.

Was the goal to harm US allies?
This has certainly harmed my retirement savings.

I'm not sure about some of the other countries, but Australia and New Zealand have very low tariffs, in NZ it is zero on most big ticket items such as cars, computers, most electronics etc. Perhaps if the United States want to sell more products, they should start make quality products at a reasonable price.

[BravoV]

Was the goal to harm US allies?

You're delusional to think US really care for it's allies. 

The word "vassal" is the right word. 

[pope]

As far as I'm concerned the only Trump's ally is Russia and perhaps Belarus.

[tggzzz]

As far as I'm concerned the only Trump's ally is Russia and perhaps Belarus.

Add El Salvador.

Key point: the leaders are all strongman dictators, effectively kings by proclamation.

[Sorama]

So…while there was a yearly economic growth of 3% for the last two years (Q4 2024:2.4% growth), there is now a loss of 0.5% this first quarter of 2025.

[Kean]

Did anyone answer the question about Digikey and Mouser, if someone like myself in New Zealand is ordering from Digikey or Mouser, do I end up paying a tariff for someone to ship parts into a warehouse in the US, then export it again?

Same with Amazon, when I purchase from Amazon (US site) they show me how much New Zealand GST I will pay, so will I see the US import tariff or even know if there is one?

Will I even pay a tariff if the items are sourced from outside the United States?

This was discussed in another thread.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/manufacture/digikey-new-tariff-status-sorting/

Digikey operate a Foreign-Trade Zone within their warehouse, so imported parts can usually be reexported without tariffs applied.
Mouser apparently also operate a FTZ.

No idea about Amazon, but I don't imagine they do this yet.  Like most sellers the application of tariffs will depend on the origin of the item and where it is stocked, and items bought from Amazon US may ship directly from the COO (e.g. China).  The listing should indicate that, and a bit of shopping around should indicate if tariffs have been added to the price.

[tom66]

They need keep plenty to support their local EV production which when we were there last August 50% of the cars we saw in Shenzhen were EV, easily identified by their green number plates whereas every ICE car had a blue plate.

It seemed 1 in 10 was a Telsa too ! 

Tesla is really big in China, it has luxury appeal in the same way Mercedes/BMW have in the ICE car space.  They also have a good supercharging network.  But, they will lose that eventually to the homegrown competitors who are coming out with some very good products now.  Elon's political shenanigans will no doubt reduce demand in China too and Model S/X are still made in USA so will be subject to Chinese import tariffs.

[langwadt]

They need keep plenty to support their local EV production which when we were there last August 50% of the cars we saw in Shenzhen were EV, easily identified by their green number plates whereas every ICE car had a blue plate.

It seemed 1 in 10 was a Telsa too ! 

Tesla is really big in China, it has luxury appeal in the same way Mercedes/BMW have in the ICE car space.  They also have a good supercharging network.  But, they will lose that eventually to the homegrown competitors who are coming out with some very good products now.  Elon's political shenanigans will no doubt reduce demand in China too and Model S/X are still made in USA so will be subject to Chinese import tariffs.

and how are they going to make Teslas while China has stopped all export of magnets?

[5U4GB]

Looking at the stock markets on trading economics, I notice that most of the time, the YTD value of stocks has fallen for traditional US allies like Japan, Australia and New Zealand, while Shanghai does not seem to be heavily affected and Hong Kong is up.

Was chatting with an investment advisor yesterday and they said that some of the large (international) funds they dealt with were busy moving holdings across to China, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam from the US.  In that regard Shushu Donald has been real winner for Asian countries.

Another interesting point was that they track various risk factors for investors, e.g. "if thing X depreciates by Y% and stays there for Z months what action should we take".  He suggested that in the next investment update they needed to add a category "Trump" as a risk factor for investors to consider.