Just a thought - if the mask is virus-soaked then aren't those virii not in the person? Without the mask, they would have been breathed in, wouldn't they?
They did not do a thing until French president Macron got furious and threatened to shut down the border with them.
Additionally supermarkets are allowing NHS staff in early and greeting them with applause and flowers.
QuoteAn infected person tugging at a virus soaked mask sounds like a great idea.
Just a thought - if the mask is virus-soaked then aren't those virii not in the person? Without the mask, they would have been breathed in, wouldn't they?
I'm hoping the US follows suit. Then people like me can get off their arses and do something useful.
In every previous medical situation, the medical professionals have recommended using masks but now that the hospitals are short, suddenly they're telling everyone else NOT to use one and that suddenly they're ineffective. Seriously? Or are you just trying to keep all of the masks for yourself and your medical colleagues?
I'll be happy for the rest of you not to wear a mask since it will leave more for me but given the choice I will wear one.
...there are apparently a lot of people who test positive without symptoms.
About 20% isn't it? And an similarly small portion of those that will die even after treatment. If it were just those numbers one could be forgiven for considering the risk pretty low.
The trouble with this is that those 20% who would just have a bad time and recover only do so with the help of ICU. Once the hospitals run out of resources those 20% are going to be lucky to live. And they'll be taking non-CV patients with them that would ordinarily have survived whatever they're suffering from but now won't because there is no health service available to treat them.As far as I know the percentage is much smaller for people <60 and probably a bit bigger for those over 70. That's of the known cases. It appears the total number is between 0% and 5% but that number is still being assessed.
I'm hoping the US follows suit. Then people like me can get off their arses and do something useful.
Why do you need to wait for the Government? We didn't sit around waiting for the government here, last week some of my neighbours printed out some flyers with contact details asking if people needed help or if there were people who were prepared to offer help and posted them through everybody's letterboxes. One instant, self-organized community support group.
If you want to do something useful, do it now. Check whether you've got some vulnerable neighbours you could shop for. See if your local church/community groups are organising something and volunteer. Or copy my neighbours and start up a neighbourhood community support group if there isn't something already existing that you can join in. Just needs a phone number, email address, a computer printer and some shoe leather.
About 20% isn't it? And an similarly small portion of those that will die even after treatment. If it were just those numbers one could be forgiven for considering the risk pretty low.
The trouble with this is that those 20% who would just have a bad time and recover only do so with the help of ICU. Once the hospitals run out of resources those 20% are going to be lucky to live. And they'll be taking non-CV patients with them that would ordinarily have survived whatever they're suffering from but now won't because there is no health service available to treat them.As far as I know the percentage is much smaller for people <60 and probably a bit bigger for those over 70. That's of the known cases. It appears the total number is between 0% and 5% but that number is still being assessed.
NY gov Cuomo reported 3% of positive tested landed in ICU as of today [CNN: NY gov briefing].
NY gov Cuomo reported 3% of positive tested landed in ICU as of today [CNN: NY gov briefing].
It is believed he suffered mild symptoms over the weekend while at Highgrove House in Gloucester and flew privately to Scotland on Sunday night where he was tested on Monday.
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Charles most recently saw the Queen "briefly" on March 12.
Medical experts believe the earliest Charles would have been contagious was March 13.
Why do you need to wait for the Government?
About 20% isn't it? And an similarly small portion of those that will die even after treatment. If it were just those numbers one could be forgiven for considering the risk pretty low.
The trouble with this is that those 20% who would just have a bad time and recover only do so with the help of ICU. Once the hospitals run out of resources those 20% are going to be lucky to live. And they'll be taking non-CV patients with them that would ordinarily have survived whatever they're suffering from but now won't because there is no health service available to treat them.As far as I know the percentage is much smaller for people <60 and probably a bit bigger for those over 70. That's of the known cases. It appears the total number is between 0% and 5% but that number is still being assessed.
NY gov Cuomo reported 3% of positive tested landed in ICU as of today [CNN: NY gov briefing].
Isn't that consistent with what WHO has been posting all along in their daily Situation Updates? 3-4% of all confirmed cases end up in deaths?
In every previous medical situation, the medical professionals have recommended using masks but now that the hospitals are short, suddenly they're telling everyone else NOT to use one and that suddenly they're ineffective. Seriously? Or are you just trying to keep all of the masks for yourself and your medical colleagues?
If, IF, that is true, so what? Who better deserves a supply of protective equipment if it's in short supply? The people on the front line risking their lives to help others or the general public?
NY gov Cuomo reported 3% of positive tested landed in ICU as of today [CNN: NY gov briefing].
Isn't that consistent with what WHO has been posting all along in their daily Situation Updates? 3-4% of all confirmed cases end up in deaths?
NY gov Cuomo reported 3% of positive tested landed in ICU as of today [CNN: NY gov briefing].I've see a number of 16,000 ventilators for NY. If to assume each of the 3% critical patients in ICU will get one, an estimate of total cases will look like 500,000 or something?
NY gov Cuomo reported 3% of positive tested landed in ICU as of today [CNN: NY gov briefing].
Isn't that consistent with what WHO has been posting all along in their daily Situation Updates? 3-4% of all confirmed cases end up in deaths?
An inaccurate, naïve, crude CFR would currently be 19784/441187 = 4.48%
The upper bound (based on known actual outcomes worldwide thus far) is currently 19784/131717 = 15.0%
With the exponential growth, 3% of cases already being in ICU spells disaster for New York.
The WHO predicts that within days USA will be the global hotspot of the coronavirus disease.
I think all major TV channels should have prepared by now and start as soon as possible a strong educational effort to show and explain all aspects of how to DIY useful face masks and how to use them properly. Those programs should run all day instead of all the other nonsense. This way they should demonstrate their patriotism. Nodody should rely on some strange youtube video.
In every previous medical situation, the medical professionals have recommended using masks but now that the hospitals are short, suddenly they're telling everyone else NOT to use one and that suddenly they're ineffective. Seriously? Or are you just trying to keep all of the masks for yourself and your medical colleagues?
If, IF, that is true, so what? Who better deserves a supply of protective equipment if it's in short supply? The people on the front line risking their lives to help others or the general public?
Oh, as I said earlier, I can understand the resource management and the priorities.
The small issue I see is the lie. Even if it's a white lie for the greater good, it's still a lie, and it's obvious that especially engineers will tend to call people on that.
An inaccurate, naïve, crude CFR would currently be 19784/441187 = 4.48%
The upper bound (based on known actual outcomes worldwide thus far) is currently 19784/131717 = 15.0%
With the exponential growth, 3% of cases already being in ICU spells disaster for New York.
Oh yeah...the "knock 'em down a peg guy".
Note to self: "STOP FOLLOWING THE CHAT FORUM !!!"