A typical A-brand has a portfolio for which they designed most of the products themselves. Having all the intimate knowledge about the product means problems can be solved quickly. Lecroy has never done that. They design mostly high-end gear with very nice features and augment their portfolio with rebadges from other brands. The result is that they can't support all of their products in a way you'd expect from an A-brand.
I also don't get why LeCroy insists on rebadging stuff, their brand is worth more than their markup on Siglent, but it is common market trend unfortunately.
By your logic you cannot call Keithley (rebadges Itech and Picotest) or Keysight (rebadged Rigol or Preamble probes) A-brands as well.
The LeCroy equivalent, a Siglent SDS3000 screenshot suggests otherwise:
So Siglent made the HW and LeCroy gave the X-Stream software?
And Keithley isn't Keithley any more. Fluke, Tektronix and Keithley (and probably a few other T&M brands) are all owned by Danaher which is primarily an investment company with short term goals. There is a lot of rebranding going on at these companies.
Essentially correct however right from the get go it was a collaborative effort.
As there was already a relationship with Siglent products branded as LeCroy one can only suspect LeCroy went to Siglent with a 'product spec' in mind and that resulted in the collaboration that produced the SDS3k/WS3k.
Essentially correct however right from the get go it was a collaborative effort.
As there was already a relationship with Siglent products branded as LeCroy one can only suspect LeCroy went to Siglent with a 'product spec' in mind and that resulted in the collaboration that produced the SDS3k/WS3k.
SDS/WS3 is ARM based, right? So I guess LeCroy had to rewrite all their Windows DCOM crap that X-Stream is made of Probably a lot of work.
Edit: disclaimer - I have both LeCroy and Siglent (and some other). My point is that calling LeCroy B-brand is not right by a long shot. Actually, it might be a smart move, because they don't have to spend company resources on the low end stuff and can focus on the serious products.
who decides what is A brand and a B Brand. its only in your head.
I agree with nctnico that ownership by Danaher is a good indicator of a B brand. Given a choice, Fluke and Tektronix would not be my first choice for quality test equipment.
Keysight/Agilent/HP is still an A brand in most respects but even they outsource production of things like oscilloscope probes.
Dave's is the same hardware and firmware that is shipping with production models - so you can't call it pre-production or beta.
A typical A-brand has a portfolio for which they designed most of the products themselves. Having all the intimate knowledge about the product means problems can be solved quickly. Lecroy has never done that. They design mostly high-end gear with very nice features and augment their portfolio with rebadges from other brands. The result is that they can't support all of their products in a way you'd expect from an A-brand.I also don't get why LeCroy insists on rebadging stuff, their brand is worth more than their markup on Siglent, but it is common market trend unfortunately.
The result is that they can't support all of their products in a way you'd expect from an A-brand.
A typical A-brand has a portfolio for which they designed most of the products themselves. Having all the intimate knowledge about the product means problems can be solved quickly. Lecroy has never done that. They design mostly high-end gear with very nice features and augment their portfolio with rebadges from other brands. The result is that they can't support all of their products in a way you'd expect from an A-brand.I also don't get why LeCroy insists on rebadging stuff, their brand is worth more than their markup on Siglent, but it is common market trend unfortunately.
Rigol has been known to write firmware for Agilent/Keysight.
https://mightyohm.com/blog/2009/11/agilent-dso1000-firmware-update-confirms-rigol-connection/
My point is that calling LeCroy B-brand is not right by a long shot. Actually, it might be a smart move, because they don't have to spend company resources on the low end stuff and can focus on the serious products.
And yes, the WS 3000(z) line is the entry line but obviously Lecroy learned from that Wave Ace disaster which was the result of trying to rebrand a Siglent scope without too much effort.
The way of cooperation chosen for the WS3000 is probably the best possible soluton for Lecroy to produce an entry level scope that still is a "real" Lecroy as much as possible with the given price and HW limitations.
My point is that calling LeCroy B-brand is not right by a long shot. Actually, it might be a smart move, because they don't have to spend company resources on the low end stuff and can focus on the serious products.Indeed. Actually, Lecroy was and still is the A-brand for DSOs. After all, Walter Lecroy invented the DSO (ignoring Nicolet did some low speed DSO first) and Teledyne Lecroy still defines the bleeding edge of high speed DSOs. Even their upper midrange stuff features 12bit and multiple GHz. So putting them in the same league as Rigol or Siglent shows either a total lack of knowledge or ill will.
I think the wave ace was from Uni-T.
The WS3000 series is very slow - after a few weeks ago we bought our WS3024, the new WS3000Z was launched.
With more "horsepower"...thank you LeCroy ( for the 3000Z series a power analyzing option is avaible, for the 3000 not)
I don't think anyone would question that the current R&S scope range is in the same league as Keysight, and certainly way above the Rigols and Siglents of this world.
You seem to forget Lecroy is selling Siglent gear.
The mathfunction "Lowpass" irritates me...you can only set the frequency in Mhz ranges - trying to set it to e.g. 1Khz it displays "Over lower"....
And I ask again, what qualification do you need to join the AB police?
NAND corruption, PSU failures etc shouldn't happen in any equipment under 5 yrs old.
NAND corruption, PSU failures etc shouldn't happen in any equipment under 5 yrs old.The real world thinks it's much better to pay half price and accept a tiny chance of failure.
You seem to forget Lecroy is selling Siglent gear. So on one hand you have a company which builds really high-end oscilloscopes and on the other hand sells low end gearAgain, this lacks any dedication to the details discussed here...
Problem that comes with this is that a small failure rate tends to come with vocal customers. Look at all the shit Apple get.
Edit: I should say that the stuff is literally disposable pricing now. The whole scope comes in less than a decent vertical plugin for a Tek 7000 would cost today.