I tend to disagree. A good, reliable (as in 'works as expected') AWG sets you back several k€ and you'll still be below 30MHz.
Ah, ok, so this is the age old case of cheap rotary encoders used (button caps are placed at correct depth).
So, does the front panel come off without desoldering the input stage BNC jacks so the damn encoders can be changed for good ones?
(And does the 5000 series have same problem?)
Ah, ok, so this is the age old case of cheap rotary encoders used (button caps are placed at correct depth). So, does the front panel come off without desoldering the input stage BNC jacks so the damn encoders can be changed for good ones?
(And does the 5000 series have same problem?)
I tend to disagree. A good, reliable (as in 'works as expected') AWG sets you back several k€ and you'll still be below 30MHz.
By the same token, and by same logic, good scope starts at 20000€ and anything else is just toys and cheap crap.
I tend to disagree. A good, reliable (as in 'works as expected') AWG sets you back several k€ and you'll still be below 30MHz.
By the same token, and by same logic, good scope starts at 20000€ and anything else is just toys and cheap crap.Now you are spouting nonsense. Your claim is that 500 euro buys you a very good AWG. But from my experience I know that isn't true. I have tested (nearly) all of the function generators in this price class and they all have shortcomings one way or another. Basically the only advantage is a higher output level compared to the AWGs built into the R&S scopes. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
I disagree, you are doing just that, you just don't like that I think you're wrong. I also explained exactly why I'm advocating my stance..
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And you failed to respect that our Chinese colleagues don't work for free, and that they gave you siggen worth the price. It is much cheaper than RTB2000, so simpler AWG, and effort went to make great scope.
If you wanted to get same features on SDS2000X+ it would have to be more expensive. Developing features takes time and money, even in China.
BTW we even use the cheap Juntek Dual Channel DPA-1698 to bump the 2042X AWG outputs to 40VPP @1amp, although the BW is limited to 100KHz. It's noisy but can be a Poor Mans Programmable PS or higher power LF (noisy) AWG in a pinch (stepper motor drive).
I tend to disagree. A good, reliable (as in 'works as expected') AWG sets you back several k€ and you'll still be below 30MHz.
By the same token, and by same logic, good scope starts at 20000€ and anything else is just toys and cheap crap.Now you are spouting nonsense. Your claim is that 500 euro buys you a very good AWG. But from my experience I know that isn't true. I have tested (nearly) all of the function generators in this price class and they all have shortcomings one way or another. Basically the only advantage is a higher output level compared to the AWGs built into the R&S scopes. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
You are saying that siggen in RTB2000 is better than Siglent SDG1000X/SDG2000X,
I disagree.
Where did I tell people what they don't want?
You are putting words in my mouth. Your logic can extent to all features people wish for in these threads - but your wishes are apparently more respectful wishes...
You did. I don't put words in your mouth. I just untangle them so you can't play little word games.
"Where did I tell people what they don't want? "
And mine is bigger than the others...
For me, internal awgs are too weak what output amplitude concerns, in general.
It´s easy to say, well then use an additional amplifier - So I got a second, external unit on the bench - What is the difference having this in an external awg..
A few months ago, I´ve bought a siglent 2-ch awg with max 20Vpp and two channels and (now... ) 60Mhz bandwith.
It can do much more than other internal awgs and got better specs also - And costs appx around 300 bucks.
So I give a s*** on the int. awg and don´t care about the very rudimental (siglent internal awg) functions.
Big egos, small...
Yeah, the SDGs are great buys - and I can certainly see the value in 20Vpp and two channels! The funny thing is, that the HW specs for the SDGs otherwise match the spec for the SDS siggen pretty closely: 14-bit, 125/150 MSps, 50/60 MHz, -40dBc distortion, 16ks waveform...
But wishing for Siglent to port some of the software features from their 300 bucks full two channel generator unit to their 200 bucks single channel software option is apparently disrespectful...
AWG on SDS2000X+ is free...
2N3055, you are looking for face palm smiley,
hope it helps
AWG on SDS2000X+ is free...Uhm, no - not for us that have already bought the scope. Thats is a "simple and verifiable fact"
- I have to either pay 200 bucks to get it - and it seems we agree (I think) that is bad value compared to buying a standalone HW unit. Especially since it is so lacking in software features...
- Or, I will have to hack the scope - which would be "disrespectful and expecting the Chinese to work for free"
BTW we even use the cheap Juntek Dual Channel DPA-1698 to bump the 2042X AWG outputs to 40VPP @1amp, although the BW is limited to 100KHz. It's noisy but can be a Poor Mans Programmable PS or higher power LF (noisy) AWG in a pinch (stepper motor drive).Great tip What noise levels are we talking about?
I tend to disagree. A good, reliable (as in 'works as expected') AWG sets you back several k€ and you'll still be below 30MHz.
By the same token, and by same logic, good scope starts at 20000€ and anything else is just toys and cheap crap.Now you are spouting nonsense. Your claim is that 500 euro buys you a very good AWG. But from my experience I know that isn't true. I have tested (nearly) all of the function generators in this price class and they all have shortcomings one way or another. Basically the only advantage is a higher output level compared to the AWGs built into the R&S scopes. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
I tend to disagree. A good, reliable (as in 'works as expected') AWG sets you back several k€ and you'll still be below 30MHz.
By the same token, and by same logic, good scope starts at 20000€ and anything else is just toys and cheap crap.Now you are spouting nonsense. Your claim is that 500 euro buys you a very good AWG. But from my experience I know that isn't true. I have tested (nearly) all of the function generators in this price class and they all have shortcomings one way or another. Basically the only advantage is a higher output level compared to the AWGs built into the R&S scopes. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
Like Vestom said to me, you are putting words in my mouth.
Where did I say that 500€ buys you very good AWG ? I said that 1000 € (i added it for you, price of more expensive scope and license, it's actually more but let's say 1000€ )
@rf-loop: on R&S scopes the waveform generator is part of a very nicely priced option bundle so the price is much lower than 700 euro.
And then there is Siglent's Easywave software which I prefer to forget about.
@rf-loop: on R&S scopes the waveform generator is part of a very nicely priced option bundle so the price is much lower than 700 euro.
Bundle which cost 1250 €....
So your idea of saving is to pay even more....
@rf-loop: on R&S scopes the waveform generator is part of a very nicely priced option bundle so the price is much lower than 700 euro.
Bundle which cost 1250 €....
So your idea of saving is to pay even more....No. It just comes with the bundle for free from both R&S and Siglent.