Are there any soft carrying cases and front panel covers compatible with the new InfiniiVision 1000 X-Series?
Back then HP engineers were proud on the products they built. And they documented all their technological achievements in their own HP Journal. The engineers got names, and they got personal recognition within the company.
Keysight engineers should read back the old HP Journals! But they probably don't even know about their existence.
Did you really read the first and second paragraph from the provided HP Journal link?
Back in 1997 already (which is 20 years ago for the record), HP engineers wrote that a scope without a logic analyzer isn't doing the job anymore for testing electronic systems designed in the nineties.
It's a pity that Keysight did not include a 16 channel logic analyzer in this scope.
This would have made it a modern version of the HP54645D.
Really a missed opportunity IMO as everybody needs a logic analyzer these days.
Looks like we have to complement it with an Analog Discovery
HP engineers knew this already back in 1997. Where did they loose it?
http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/97apr/apr97.htm
This confirms again that newer is not always better!
Back then HP engineers were proud on the products they built. And they documented all their technological achievements in their own HP Journal. The engineers got names, and they got personal recognition within the company.
Keysight engineers should read back the old HP Journals! But they probably don't even know about their existence.
The 1000 X-Series should have been a modern version of the HP54645D.
Evolutionary approach? From 16 to 0 digital channels!
1997: HP54645D: 100 MHz, 2+16 channels
2011: MSOX2012A: 100 MHz, 2+8 channels
2017: DSOX1102G: 100 MHz, 2+0 channels
- Even been perfectly compensated, after some time probes not give me same fine picture after some time of using scope (probably 1-2 hour) and after checking probe compensation again it seems just slightly under compensated. I tried to do fine compensation for both probes after 20 min warm up my scope and repeat check it again after one hour of using scope, I seen just slight under compensation for my probes. Probably input chain is slightly unstable, I don't know exactly
Let's compare all the 100 MHz entry level scopes from HP/Agilent/Keysight over the years:
1997: HP54645D: 100 MHz, 2+16 channels
2011: MSOX2012A: 100 MHz, 2+8 channels
2017: DSOX1102G: 100 MHz, 2+0 channels
Evolutionary approach? From 16 to 0 digital channels!
HP engineers knew this already back in 1997. Where did they loose it?
http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/97apr/apr97.htm
Did you really read the first and second paragraph from the provided HP Journal link?
Back in 1997 already (which is 20 years ago for the record), HP engineers wrote that a scope without a logic analyzer isn't doing the job anymore for testing electronic systems designed in the nineties.
We are now 20 years later, so how could a scope without a logic analyzer do the job now in 2017 for testing electronic systems that have further evolved over a period of 20 years?
HP engineers knew this already back in 1997. Where did they loose it?
http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/97apr/apr97.htm
Please check the first and second paragraph of the link above.
The 1000 X-Series should have been a modern version of the HP54645D.
HP product released in 1997 (20 years ago):
The Keysight 54645D 100-MHz 200-MSa/s Mixed Signal Oscilloscope seamlessly integrates logic channels into an oscilloscope to offer new measurement capability for designers of combined analog and digital systems. Analog and digital on one display, aligned in time, to help you isolate cause and effect in complex circuits.
New measurement capability in 1997. Which now is not there anymore in 2017? Really?
So you now have to pay the same price as 20 years ago to get a 100 MHz scope with 2+16 channels? Really?
20 years ago a 2x CD burner costed 1000 USD.
These days a 20x DVD burner costs 50 USD.
20 times cheaper and 10x better specs on the writing speed.
Sampling rate for scope has obviously increased over the years.
But price should have reduced as well, as in the CD/DVD burner example above.
MSOX3012 100MHz, 16+2 channels. Same price as 54645D when it was released.
That was in the days where everything was designed around parallel buses. Things have changed and most buses have been consolidated into a serial bus of some sort which is why the wide bus logic analyser is superfluous in most cases and being replaced by protocol analysis in the scope itself.
Dear Keysight Product Management. Can you please comment on the below?
Thanks,
PascalSo you now have to pay the same price as 20 years ago to get a 100 MHz scope with 2+16 channels? Really?
20 years ago a 2x CD burner costed 1000 USD.
These days a 20x DVD burner costs 50 USD.
20 times cheaper and 10x better specs on the writing speed.
Sampling rate for scope has obviously increased over the years.
But price should have reduced as well, as in the CD/DVD burner example above.MSOX3012 100MHz, 16+2 channels. Same price as 54645D when it was released.
My example related to consumer electronics was extreme, to get everybody's attention.
I am not saying that the MSOX3012 should be 20 times cheaper than the HP54645D,
but it should not have exactly the same price tag either.
At least the price should have halved over the past 20 years, and the increased sampling rate just comes as an extra by the technological evolution of the current state of the industry.
- Even been perfectly compensated, after some time probes not give me same fine picture after some time of using scope (probably 1-2 hour) and after checking probe compensation again it seems just slightly under compensated. I tried to do fine compensation for both probes after 20 min warm up my scope and repeat check it again after one hour of using scope, I seen just slight under compensation for my probes. Probably input chain is slightly unstable, I don't know exactly
- Probes seems to be well done with gold plated tips, but hook tips included with probes and ground lead - really piece of shit. Hook tips scratched probe tips plating when you joint/disjoint it on the probe or try to turn hook tip attached on the probe. After some time you'll have have deep scratches on the probe tips. contact inside the hook lead very coarse, seems to be able scratch any plating, nickel and etc.. Ground leads seems to be same bad quality..