Sorry but I disagree with you; It VERY MUCH is a big deal. It isn't about the current range being the weakest, that is never mentioned or discussed. It is about the BOM and space savings. The large HRC/HBC fuses are some of the most expensive things on the board and they are some of the biggest things on the board with the fattest traces. The money saved on dropping fuses from the BOM can be used for better higher quality component selection (while keeping the same profit margin) and the savings in space can be used to better route other traces, add cut-outs etc.
QuoteI think this was a conscious decision by Fluke because they knew they couldn't make a safe meter,I don't know if the Fluke 101 is a safe meter or not.
QuoteI think this was a conscious decision by Fluke because they knew they couldn't make a safe meter,I don't know if the Fluke 101 is a safe meter or not.It does have a standardized safety-level rating stamped on it. Fluke have shown themselves to be honest and conservative with their ratings.
QuoteI think this was a conscious decision by Fluke because they knew they couldn't make a safe meter,I don't know if the Fluke 101 is a safe meter or not. I thought I had made it clear, but again, safety was never a criteria. I was only looking for the most robust meter out of the group.
QuoteI think this was a conscious decision by Fluke because they knew they couldn't make a safe meter,I don't know if the Fluke 101 is a safe meter or not. I thought I had made it clear, but again, safety was never a criteria. I was only looking for the most robust meter out of the group.
This isn't an evaluation of your tests defining safety; I am saying THEIR thought process. While not intricately linked, robustness and safety do share some commonalities. Many good design practices to ensure a safe meter will also ensure a robust meter. This is to say that while the two do not have to be linked they can be. Additionally, knowing what we know about fluke, they take user safety very seriously, to the point that a meter that is robust is likely safe as well. But it is only likely, not proven.
I've had the 87V for a few days now and it's certainly not a great meter. Not a lot of features.
I've had the 87V for a few days now and it's certainly not a great meter. Not a lot of features.You seem disappointed? Not sure which features you were expecting. It's a standard multipurpose industrial DMM with all the essentials. That's the point of it. That's why it's easy to use, boots fast, and that's why it has a long battery life and longevity.
Every feature it has is implemented well. Bar graph is fast, continuity latch is fast, and the UI is easy and quick exactly because it doesn't have a lot of features. 289 has a lot of features, but at the cost of a lot of compromises in day to day usability.
I'd probably look at Agilent meters if you're looking for featureful DMMs, because they pack tons of features in their meters of the same category.
Personally I think you're being harsh on it. I think it's the best all around no frills meter Fluke ever made.
I've had the 87V for a few days now and it's certainly not a great meter. Not a lot of features.You seem disappointed? Not sure which features you were expecting. It's a standard multipurpose industrial DMM with all the essentials. That's the point of it. That's why it's easy to use, boots fast, and that's why it has a long battery life and longevity.
Every feature it has is implemented well. Bar graph is fast, continuity latch is fast, and the UI is easy and quick exactly because it doesn't have a lot of features. 289 has a lot of features, but at the cost of a lot of compromises in day to day usability.
I'd probably look at Agilent meters if you're looking for featureful DMMs, because they pack tons of features in their meters of the same category.
Personally I think you're being harsh on it. I think it's the best all around no frills meter Fluke ever made.
Well that is the point of having different choices. He isn't that impressed and it is his money. There are other options and that is good.
So expect another boring video like the last few. One thing I plan to do is also test the leads supplied with the 101. Maybe that will add some excitement.
I've had the 87V for a few days now and it's certainly not a great meter. Not a lot of features. But it does cost a fair amount of money and is pretty common.
Well the moment a few of you have been waiting for is near. I said from the beginning that I would put the winner of the $50 shootout against an expensive meter. I've had the 87V for a few days now and it's certainly not a great meter. Not a lot of features. But it does cost a fair amount of money and is pretty common.
Again, I have no plans to test beyond what I have done with the Fluke 101. I would expect the 87V to handle all of those tests and far beyond. I base that on the Fluke video I had linked to earlier where they were testing at 17KV. In other words, I plan to call it a draw after I am finished with these tests, unless something happens and the sky falls or the sun goes out. Don't worry, I won't be dropping it off a bridge to see if the LCD will crack. If it fails it will be from an electrical event.
So expect another boring video like the last few. One thing I plan to do is also test the leads supplied with the 101. Maybe that will add some excitement.
The 87V is a defacto standard in that class DMM, so these tests will attract attention from a lot of professionals, particularly if it fails
The 87V is a defacto standard in that class DMM, so these tests will attract attention from a lot of professionals, particularly if it failsWhat are the chances of failure?
You seem disappointed? Not sure which features you were expecting. It's a standard multipurpose industrial DMM with all the essentials. That's the point of it. That's why it's easy to use, boots fast, and that's why it has a long battery life and longevity.
Every feature it has is implemented well. Bar graph is fast, continuity latch is fast, and the UI is easy and quick exactly because it doesn't have a lot of features. 289 has a lot of features, but at the cost of a lot of compromises in day to day usability.
I'd probably look at Agilent meters if you're looking for featureful DMMs, because they pack tons of features in their meters of the same category.
Personally I think you're being harsh on it. I think it's the best all around no frills meter Fluke ever made.
I expect low. But we can't know for sure unless we try a surge test and demonstrate it, then its not just an educated guess. Many things can change over time and cause problems in new DMMs versus prior runs of the same model. A test of just one meter can be criticized, but its better than nothing.
This is one reason in the past, say in the US military, samples of a procurement were tested per batch by independent military labs to insure they live up to their specification, but I don't know if they still do this.The 87V is a defacto standard in that class DMM, so these tests will attract attention from a lot of professionals, particularly if it failsWhat are the chances of failure?
So expect another boring video like the last few. One thing I plan to do is also test the leads supplied with the 101. Maybe that will add some excitement.Could it be done with the back off to see if there's any sparks?
The 87V is just over $400 now on Amazon. For that price, I am disappointed in what the meter can and can't do.
QuoteThe 87V is just over $400 now on Amazon. For that price, I am disappointed in what the meter can and can't do.
That is why I suggested a Brymen BM829 (Greenlee DM830) or a BM869 (Greenlee DM860). For the price, their functionality is hard to beat. The Keysights are good too of course.
The 87V is just over $400 now on Amazon. For that price, I am disappointed in what the meter can and can't do. Really what it comes down to is if the 87V is at least as robust as the 101.
QuoteThe 87V is just over $400 now on Amazon. For that price, I am disappointed in what the meter can and can't do.
That is why I suggested a Brymen BM829 (Greenlee DM830) or a BM869 (Greenlee DM860). For the price, their functionality is hard to beat. The Keysights are good too of course.
One year warranty only,
no AutoHold feature, no latched continuity, short battery life, Peak hold 800mS minimum transient only, no Null in central position on the bargraph, double the burden voltage on mA, lower diode test voltage, tiny selector switch. There is a lot not to like on the Brymen meter, compared to the Fluke 87V.
In my view, the lifetime warranty alone is worth the price difference.
BM829 doesn't have a latched continuity test nor does it have auto hold, which in my view are essential features for a DMM. So I fail to see how their functionality is hard to beat, when pretty basic and commonly used features are missing.
better DC and AC volts accuracy, better DC and AC current accuracy, AC+DC TRMS selectable on volts and amps, dual display,
better DC and AC volts accuracy, better DC and AC current accuracy, AC+DC TRMS selectable on volts and amps, dual display,Better spec sheet accuracy which doesn't mean much. We all know Fluke, Keithley, Keysight add a lot of margin in their accuracy figures. Brymen certainly hasn't been around long enough to earn that reputation.
50K+ resolution on a DMM is overrated. Brymen BM869s is missing essential features that are actually important on a DMM. 87V doesn't just have a better battery life it has at least 4 times better battery life.